Trail premium vs the Limited with respect...

You do not need 4 wheel-drive to drive in the rain, snow or ice. VSC will cradle you in it's womb of nanny controls.

4 wheel drive is handy to get you moving in snow, ice or mud (only) if you are having difficulties with VSC during take-off from a stop. It should NEVER EVER be needed in the rain. GAWD.

It has NOTHING to do with stability or stopping power.


then I guess acura's SH-AWD are pointless and a waste of money.

same goes for Subaru's and evo's.

and pretty much any rally car during non snow seasons.

:)
 
then I guess acura's SH-AWD are pointless and a waste of money.

same goes for Subaru's and evo's.

and pretty much any rally car during non snow seasons.

:)

To be fair he said 4WD which he probably meant to be synonymous with 4x4... Not AWD like the models you mentioned.
 
then I guess acura's SH-AWD are pointless and a waste of money.

same goes for Subaru's and evo's.

and pretty much any rally car during non snow seasons.

:)

I said: need

any rally car would be pointless at my time in life. lol. Though I've done stuff with a 2WD. Including getting away from the popo. Once. I've also fired blanks at a full swat team. Once.
 
The problem is that the OP lives in south Louisiana, snow and ice just don't exist here. Nor do hills. I would not base my purchase on hypotheticals that will never come true. You do not need anything other than 2wd on any given day ever in this state, you will never need 4wd to safely drive here. I know you mentioned you "might" move, and it that's the case, then I would wait and buy a car when you know you will need full time 4wd. You really are complicating this so much more than it needs to be. Pick the trim you prefer, ignore the drive train.
 
One more thing-- the corrolary to the above is that if I went with a limited, and changed out the wheels/tires to a TRD pro package, it sounds like I can expect to get another couple of miles knocked off the expected MPG ............. ciest la vie.
But the trade off on the positive front would be less body roll on turns and dealing with potholes-- hopefully.

Does the limited require any lift/mods to accomodate the TRD pro wheel/tire package as is? It didn't sound that way based on those tires being 265's, but just double checking.

You can get the TRD pro wheels on your new LE, i doubt you would notice much if any MPG difference. When i swapped out my LE wheels i had no difference in mileage with the SR5 wheels, if the TRD had been available i might have gotten those myself. Given your concern on body roll you will want an LT tire, once you buy you can decide that though.

And to add on LIMITED EDITION RULES!!!:nod:
 
The problem is that the OP lives in south Louisiana, snow and ice just don't exist here. Nor do hills. I would not base my purchase on hypotheticals that will never come true. You do not need anything other than 2wd on any given day ever in this state, you will never need 4wd to safely drive here. I know you mentioned you "might" move, and it that's the case, then I would wait and buy a car when you know you will need full time 4wd. You really are complicating this so much more than it needs to be. Pick the trim you prefer, ignore the drive train.

Yeah but moab is just up the road.
 
then I guess acura's SH-AWD are pointless and a waste of money.

same goes for Subaru's and evo's.

and pretty much any rally car during non snow seasons.

:)

Well, an STi with magnesium wheels and metal studded tires that's set up for long travel can hit triple digit speeds on snow and ice and is only limited by the recklessness of the driver.

But that's a mutant car the same way a desert racing truck can take huge jumps that would destroy a regular 4x4 off road vehicle.
 
helpful feedback, and yes, the common thread seems to be fit the right tires when needed.

There's no getting around that.

One question-- you said the electronics on the Trail are set up to allow the locking feature only in 4Low. What happens to the rear differential when it's set on 4High in that case?

I've read of people here who (rightly or wrongly) who put their system in 4High when it's raining --especially in heavy rain. I thought the rear differential locks when that setting is chosen?

The rear differential only locks when you're in 4L and you push the rear diff lock button. If you press the button in 2H or 4H the light will just flash until you shift into 4L. If the rear differential is locked in 4L and you shift to 4H it will unlock the rear differential and the light on the dash will just flash.
 
and the LE full time 4wd is overall the same as those vehicles. those vehicles just don't have a 4low

Exactly... The transfer case is probably why most of us opted to do our off roading in a 4RNR and not a lifted evo. I mean the solid axle, diff lock, atrac, and BOF help too! AWD is amazing... But you don't need it drive in the rain.
 
In those situations the Limited does have an advantage.

Did you adjust the seat bottom height? It is adjustable up and down.

Seat bottom was buried, and the backrest was at a comfortable and proper setting. There was just what seemed like loads more headroom without the sunroof, at least an inch or so.

Toyota really should reconsider this as a standalone option along with SofTex. This would not overly complicate factory builds.
 
I agree on the sunroof. I despise them, but unfortunately I will be stuck with it as I like the other features of the TEP. Honestly if I could have found a white TRD pro, I probably would have bought it just because it has the other features but without the dang sunroof.
 
This has been a very useful thread for me even though I got a Limited 2014 in June. Didn't really know about this forum prior to purchasing the vehicle - I wished I had. I only test drove an SR5 and Limited as that was what was available in the lots. Very happy with the Limited so far. Definitely takes a bit of getting used to the ride quality which is quite harsh (although feels solid) on less perfect pavement, compared to crossovers I had in the past. I live 50 miles up north of NYC in very hilly region that can get some snow that does not get plowed quickly. In the past, vehicles even with AWD would skid - not sure how the Limited will handle since we have not had too much snow so far. I am thinking of getting Blizzak snow tires and put that on the stock 20" wheels. In the summer, I would then swap out with new tires (maybe 275/55?)and beefer 20" wheels. Anyone can chime in if that would work and get a somewhat less harsh ride in summer?
 
This has been a very useful thread for me even though I got a Limited 2014 in June. Didn't really know about this forum prior to purchasing the vehicle - I wished I had. I only test drove an SR5 and Limited as that was what was available in the lots. Very happy with the Limited so far. Definitely takes a bit of getting used to the ride quality which is quite harsh (although feels solid) on less perfect pavement, compared to crossovers I had in the past. I live 50 miles up north of NYC in very hilly region that can get some snow that does not get plowed quickly. In the past, vehicles even with AWD would skid - not sure how the Limited will handle since we have not had too much snow so far. I am thinking of getting Blizzak snow tires and put that on the stock 20" wheels. In the summer, I would then swap out with new tires (maybe 275/55?)and beefer 20" wheels. Anyone can chime in if that would work and get a somewhat less harsh ride in summer?

Im glad a fellow NYer commented on the Limited's ride quality on our craptastic roads here. Good info for me as Ive never driven one but have been curious about its ride.

If you want a better ride swap the wheels out for 18" or even 17". 20s and different tires arent going to net you much more cushiness.
 
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This has been a very useful thread for me even though I got a Limited 2014 in June. Didn't really know about this forum prior to purchasing the vehicle - I wished I had. I only test drove an SR5 and Limited as that was what was available in the lots. Very happy with the Limited so far. Definitely takes a bit of getting used to the ride quality which is quite harsh (although feels solid) on less perfect pavement, compared to crossovers I had in the past. I live 50 miles up north of NYC in very hilly region that can get some snow that does not get plowed quickly. In the past, vehicles even with AWD would skid - not sure how the Limited will handle since we have not had too much snow so far. I am thinking of getting Blizzak snow tires and put that on the stock 20" wheels. In the summer, I would then swap out with new tires (maybe 275/55?)and beefer 20" wheels. Anyone can chime in if that would work and get a somewhat less harsh ride in summer?

The harsh ride is due to the 20" wheels. Find a 4Runner who likes bling instead of functionality and trade your 20" wheels for his 18".
 
The harsh ride is due to the 20" wheels. Find a 4Runner who likes bling instead of functionality and trade your 20" wheels for his 18".

Can I alternate between 20" wheels for winter tires and 18" in summer or is this too much of a pain ? I don't know if there are any adjustments like tpms sensors that would need to be made every time I swap different size wheels? Never modded vehicles before so I am starting to learn about everything!
 
Can I alternate between 20" wheels for winter tires and 18" in summer or is this too much of a pain ? I don't know if there are any adjustments like tpms sensors that would need to be made every time I swap different size wheels? Never modded vehicles before so I am starting to learn about everything!

You can absolutely swap between the two. Id look for a used set of 17" Trail wheels and tires, and they will come with the TPMS sensors already
 

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