Trails attendance fees?

[slowveloce]

Free-- Home - KS Rocks ParkKS Rocks Park

$30 Rush Springs Ranch - Ultimate Off Road Park - Missouri

Haven't been to either, but 30 seems the going rate around KS, MO and Arkansas. Just got back from the Steamboat area and lots of nice free forest roads available.

 

[TOYO74]

For the record, I kept it around 20 to 30 mph on the Rim for the most part and tend to only open it up if I am in clear areas similar to what was shown. My point was that I could easily push my Pro a lot easier than my 2012 JKU Rubicon (which was honestly all over the place with the solid front axle usually at more than about 25 mph). I also didn't feel like I was going to blow my shocks apart doing so as I would have on my Trail .

We came up FR504 from AZ99 via Winslow to check out the back route to Heber. We literally saw one other vehicle covering something like 40 miles up there and the beginning of that run was on BLM two track that was really wide open. Did some exploring up by Black Canyon Lake otherwise and then headed east for awhile on Rim Road. That area was generally too congested and blind as you mention though to push much over 25 mph. Quite rocky in spots also. Way less people as we went further East towards Overgaard though.

Sorry--didn't mean to sound like Mr. Crabbypants! Thank you for the clarification. I know some sections are worse than others for congestion and I have met some drivers who don't have the same consideration as you.

Those are some great areas to explore and I feel we are very fortunate to have access to roads/trails without having to pay "trail fees" like the OP mentioned.

 

[swampy_swimmer]

I'm from NY as well and I'm looking for offroad trails. Curious where you found $300/truck/day?
I was able to find NORA (Northeast Off Road Adventures) in Ellenville, NY but they are more instruction based. Hunter Mountain also has trails but I think they require a guide and I'm not sure about the cost. NORA offers events at Hunter as well.
I'm very curious to what else you find in the NY area. Feel free to PM me also.

Yes, Sir, NORA. Hunter Mntn. Check this out:
Hunter Mountain 4x4 Driving Tour - Sat, Jul 25 2020 - Northeast Off-Road Adventures

And it’s all prescheduled. I couldn’t find anything else in the state...

 

[swampy_swimmer]

I'd like to know where this place is too. Is it in a state or national forest ?

The only thing I can think of is that its near a bunch of rich people homes or used by a bunch of wealthy people and they want to reduce or eliminate the redneck, dirtbag, drunk'n, stupid, half nek'd, dirty, 4 wheel'n types so they paid off a politician and that person jacked up the price. Just' say'n

Hunter Mountain 4x4 Driving Tour - Sat, Jul 25 2020 - Northeast Off-Road Adventures

It looks like they privatized mountain area, built an expensive lodge there and offering guided tours there.

 

[thirteen]

This is the first time I've ever heard of paying for a trail, that's insane.

 

[AZ Craig]

Sorry--didn't mean to sound like Mr. Crabbypants! Thank you for the clarification. I know some sections are worse than others for congestion and I have met some drivers who don't have the same consideration as you.

Those are some great areas to explore and I feel we are very fortunate to have access to roads/trails without having to pay "trail fees" like the OP mentioned.

Amen. Nothing scares me more than the UTV barreling at you at 50 mph coming around a hill or a blind turn. Have had that experience a few times where the UTV pretty much went full on code brown (locked up wheels and go for a ride).

I honestly wouldn't see the point of owning these vehicles if I still lived in the east I think. I hate to say it, but just don't see the need for it for the most part.

Occasionally you'd get on a pretty muddy forest road or something out there if you were into hiking and what not, but nothing compared to what you can find in your backyard in most western metro areas.

 

[swampy_swimmer]

Amen. Nothing scares me more than the UTV barreling at you at 50 mph coming around a hill or a blind turn. Have had that experience a few times where the UTV pretty much went full on code brown (locked up wheels and go for a ride).

I honestly wouldn't see the point of owning these vehicles if I still lived in the east I think. I hate to say it, but just don't see the need for it for the most part.

Occasionally you'd get on a pretty muddy forest road or something out there if you were into hiking and what not, but nothing compared to what you can find in your backyard in most western metro areas.

I see your point and partially agree, however there’re some other opportunities where I live, particularly for me and guys like me. We drive on the beaches a lot (surf fishing), in winter we go up north to ice fish, you need a reliable vehicle for that, not all the roads are paved, but off course its not like Utah or Colorado here where you can just go rock crawling at any given time. That’s why I wanted to explore, but I guess NYS clearly sucks in it.

 

[Big Daddy K]

Hope you are skilled at doing an emergency stop @ 50mph on dirt. Please post which dirt road you are blasting next so I can avoid it. Thanks.

Have you ever been on FR300, that is the average speed for every other vehicle on it, especially the SxS.

 

[Big Daddy K]

Gents, what are the average charges to run a day long trail you pay at your locations?
The reason for this question is here in NY I found just one place and they charge $300 / truck for a daily trail, well more like a scenic mountain drive.
I think it’s a bit excessive. Am I wrong?

Whoa, time to move to the free states. lol

In the southwest we are lucky to have all of the public lands that we do. There are hundreds of trails within an hour or two of my house.
It's just unfortunate that so many people treat our public lands like it's their private property, we will eventually lose access to it and have to pay... like NY.

 

[TOYO74]

Have you ever been on FR300, that is the average speed for every other vehicle on it, especially the SxS.

Rim road-yep. You are correct, and every year yahoos crash their UTV, SXS, etc. there and are killed. Last month two killed when their CanAm "went airborne" and wrapped around a tree .

That road used to be called one of the most scenic in the state. I don't understand the rush to get to the other end. Guess some don't go there for the views.

 

[AZ Craig]

I see your point and partially agree, however there’re some other opportunities where I live, particularly for me and guys like me. We drive on the beaches a lot (surf fishing), in winter we go up north to ice fish, you need a reliable vehicle for that, not all the roads are paved, but off course its not like Utah or Colorado here where you can just go rock crawling at any given time. That’s why I wanted to explore, but I guess NYS clearly sucks in it.

Don't worry, I get it. There are plenty of advantages to a 4Runner that if you're going to do beach driving and a lot of pretty gnarly snow driving, it's a pretty good vehicle.

I guess my only point is that you make a sacrifice once you go to a body on frame vehicle versus something unibody. A unibody with a good AWD system, at least 8 inches of ground clearance and decent tires (either ATs or snows in the winter) should be able to do as well as a 4Runner in most eastern situations I'd think while getting better than 16 to 18 mpg and without the sacrifices a BoF inherently has.

That being said, everyone should drive what they want . Beauty of a free country, hah.

 

[swampy_swimmer]

Don't worry, I get it. There are plenty of advantages to a 4Runner that if you're going to do beach driving and a lot of pretty gnarly snow driving, it's a pretty good vehicle.

I guess my only point is that you make a sacrifice once you go to a body on frame vehicle versus something unibody. A unibody with a good AWD system, at least 8 inches of ground clearance and decent tires (either ATs or snows in the winter) should be able to do as well as a 4Runner in most eastern situations I'd think while getting better than 16 to 18 mpg and without the sacrifices a BoF inherently has.

That being said, everyone should drive what they want . Beauty of a free country, hah.

I agree. Before buying this (second for me t4r) I seriously considered Honda Ridgeline. But for some reason went with the trd orp. Had 3rd gen for 8 years before that.

 

[AZ Craig]

I agree. Before buying this (second for me t4r) I seriously considered Honda Ridgeline. But for some reason went with the trd orp. Had 3rd gen for 8 years before that.

Honestly, if you can ever find an opportunity to take a long (think 2 or 3 week) driving road trip out west focused on Colorado and Utah, you'll never forget it with your 4Runner.

Everyone stuck east of the Mississippi River should give it a shot some time.

 

[swampy_swimmer]

Honestly, if you can ever find an opportunity to take a long (think 2 or 3 week) driving road trip out west focused on Colorado and Utah, you'll never forget it with your 4Runner.

Everyone stuck east of the Mississippi River should give it a shot some time.

I was thinking about it for this summer, out of work and everything. But covid messed it up. And now getting back to work. Vicious cycle.