Tranny milkshake and oil leak 2.7L

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Hi there everyone. New to this forum with a story to tell (long story) so grab a beer and sit back and relax. Last week a friend of my sister inlaws 1999 4r lost the tranny radiator cooler. The first thing she did was have it towed to a shop where the guy told her there's water in the tranny and atf in the engine. The second thing she did was go to a Toyota dealer and buy a new rave4. She called me and asked if I wanted it. Free, I said sure, she had it flat bedded to my house. First thing I did was drain all the atf I could via the pan plug. Picked up a new radiator, jumpered the pressure and return lines with one of the hoses and ran 7 gallons of new atf through it. Draining it everytime after running it through the gears and blowing air through the lines. I talked to a guy I know that works at a Toyota dealership and he told me if I caught it that quick there's a good chance that the tranny will be ok. So don't let anyone tell you if you have this happen, your tranny is shot,it's not. Also, he said that when this happens it's because the wrong coolant was used. I have a 2000 SR5 with a 3.4 and 180K on the clock, but I change the coolant every 2 years and use the red stuff and never had a problem. Next, While running it I detected an oil leak at the filter. My Toyota guy said it's the gasket between the filter bracket and the block. I looked it over, and sure enough that's where it's coming from. I asked him how the hell do I get at that bracket? It's buried under the exhaust manifold. I can barely get the oil filter off. He told me what they do is remove the exhaust manifold to easily get to it, but if I wanted to fight it and get my hands torn to shreds, go for it.
He also told me chances are the manifold's cracked anyway and I would have to replace it. Sure enough, it was, cracked in two. His feeling is that when the manifold cracks, even with the heat shield, hot gases blow right onto the oil filter bracket and disintegrate that gasket. So anywho, that's where I am right now, and actually he was right, it's not that hard to take the manifold off. The EGR studs are a PITA to get off using an E7 socket, but other than that, not too bad and it exposes the oil filter bracket and oil cooler hoses to easily get them off. Now I'm kinda thinking about either a stock manifold or a header. Only thing is I have to make sure if it's CARB compliant because I live in the republic of kalifornia. So that's my story so far, and I'll let you know how this works out in the end. Hope this helps anyone that thinks their tranny is toast just because it got some water in it, Jump on it right away, and do what I did, and you will probably be O.K.
 
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Hi there everyone. New to this forum with a story to tell (long story) so grab a beer and sit back and relax. Last week a friend of my sister inlaws 1999 4r lost the tranny radiator cooler. The first thing she did was have it towed to a shop where the guy told her there's water in the tranny and atf in the engine. The second thing she did was go to a Toyota dealer and buy a new rave4. She called me and asked if I wanted it. Free, I said sure, she had it flat bedded to my house. First thing I did was drain all the atf I could via the pan plug. Picked up a new radiator, jumpered the pressure and return lines with one of the hoses and ran 7 gallons of new atf through it. Draining it everytime after running it through the gears and blowing air through the lines. I talked to a guy I know that works at a Toyota dealership and he told me if I caught it that quick there's a good chance that the tranny will be ok. So don't let anyone tell you if you have this happen, your tranny is shot,it's not. Also, he said that when this happens it's because the wrong coolant was used. I have a 2000 SR5 with a 3.4 and 180K on the clock, but I change the coolant every 2 years and use the red stuff and never had a problem. Next, While running it I detected an oil leak at the filter. My Toyota guy said it's the gasket between the filter bracket and the block. I looked it over, and sure enough that's where it's coming from. I asked him how the hell do I get at that bracket? It's buried under the exhaust manifold. I can barely get the oil filter off. He told me what they do is remove the exhaust manifold to easily get to it, but if I wanted to fight it and get my hands torn to shreds, go for it.
He also told me chances are the manifold's cracked anyway and I would have to replace it. Sure enough, it was, cracked in two. His feeling is that when the manifold cracks, even with the heat shield, hot gases blow right onto the oil filter bracket and disintegrate that gasket. So anywho, that's where I am right now, and actually he was right, it's not that hard to take the manifold off. The EGR studs are a PITA to get off using an E7 socket, but other than that, not too bad and it exposes the oil filter bracket and oil cooler hoses to easily get them off. Now I'm kinda thinking about either a stock manifold or a header. Only thing is I have to make sure if it's CARB compliant because I live in the republic of kalifornia. So that's my story so far, and I'll let you know how this works out in the end. Hope this helps anyone that thinks their tranny is toast just because it got some water in it, Jump on it right away, and do what I did, and you will probably be O.K.

Has this 4RUNNER been in California all of its life or has it lived in other states?
 
Has this 4RUNNER been in California all of its life or has it lived in other states?

Been here in northern California all it's life. 160k on the clock. She bought it new. It was a chick car. Even smells like a chick inside. LOL. Cosmetically, it's in better shape than my 2000. Trouble is, she never maintained it. The hole in the back under that flap is where you put the gas. My friend who is a Toyota mechanic told me that he rarely sees a tranny milkshake, and it's his opinion that using the wrong coolant is the problem, or not draining the system every year or two and using new red coolant. I looked the old radiator over and saw where the oil cooler lines on it were rotted off with alot of white corrosion. As far as the cracked exhaust manifold, he says that happens alot on the 2.7s. It's not because of the motor mounts, or California cars running hotter. It was a poor design. New stock ones are suppose to be better, but I'm thinking about a after market header. Researching that now. Ask me any questions you want and I will be glad to answer you. I've been working on cars and trucks for 40 years but I learn something new everyday.
 
Been here in northern California all it's life. 160k on the clock. She bought it new. It was a chick car. Even smells like a chick inside. LOL. Cosmetically, it's in better shape than my 2000. Trouble is, she never maintained it. The hole in the back under that flap is where you put the gas. My friend who is a Toyota mechanic told me that he rarely sees a tranny milkshake, and it's his opinion that using the wrong coolant is the problem, or not draining the system every year or two and using new red coolant. I looked the old radiator over and saw where the oil cooler lines on it were rotted off with alot of white corrosion. As far as the cracked exhaust manifold, he says that happens alot on the 2.7s. It's not because of the motor mounts, or California cars running hotter. It was a poor design. New stock ones are suppose to be better, but I'm thinking about a after market header. Researching that now. Ask me any questions you want and I will be glad to answer you. I've been working on cars and trucks for 40 years but I learn something new everyday.

I just bough my 4r a few months back with 201k, did a tranny flush right away and saw that the aft was really clean. Do you think I should replace the radiator just to be safe?
 
The factory manifolds off of the later 2.7's are basically 4 to 2 tubular headers, the cast manifolds off the early motors always crack eventually.

Here's what the new style looks like.

IMG_6047_zps28fa6ecd.jpg~original
 
I just bough my 4r a few months back with 201k, did a tranny flush right away and saw that the aft was really clean. Do you think I should replace the radiator just to be safe?

I wouldn't. If your atf is clean, just drain your radiator and replace with new Toyota or Asian approved coolant. And yes, it does make a difference to use the correct coolant. I don't understand why, but it has something to do with the aluminum used in the engine components and the electrolysis and chemical reactions with dissimilar metals. I'm not a chemist, but this is what I got from my talking to a guy that works on Toyotas for a living. Take it how ever you want.
 
The factory manifolds off of the later 2.7's are basically 4 to 2 tubular headers, the cast manifolds off the early motors always crack eventually.

Here's what the new style looks like.

IMG_6047_zps28fa6ecd.jpg~original

That doesn't look like an OEM manifold at all. Must be aftermarket. I've been told the factory manifold has been improved. Is that the case? I have no problem going with that aftermarket. Looks like a pretty high quality. It just needs to meet CARB.
 
That doesn't look like an OEM manifold at all. Must be aftermarket. I've been told the factory manifold has been improved. Is that the case? I have no problem going with that aftermarket. Looks like a pretty high quality. It just needs to meet CARB.

That is OEM, they changed the design of the manifold because of the problems they were having with the original one piece cast ones cracking, and that's what they came up with, I don't recall the exact year they changed it, but I think it may have been 2001, people have nicknamed it the "Mini-Header" because they're basically a header, and since it's OEM you'll have no problems with CARB.

I think one of our members here, [MENTION=78895]DeathCougar[/MENTION], actually sells full kits to convert to the newer style OEM manifolds here:

2.4L/2.7L Header Kit
 
I just bough my 4r a few months back with 201k, did a tranny flush right away and saw that the aft was really clean. Do you think I should replace the radiator just to be safe?
It's made of plastic and aluminum, it's inexpensive, it's easy to replace, if it fails it can torpedo an expensive transmission, and it's 17 years old.
For me, it's a no-brainer.
 
That doesn't look like an OEM manifold at all. Must be aftermarket. I've been told the factory manifold has been improved. Is that the case? I have no problem going with that aftermarket. Looks like a pretty high quality. It just needs to meet CARB.

UnderFire is correct. That is a 2001-2004 2.7 OEM Manifold, and it WILL pass CARB requirements. It simply fixes the cracking cast manifold problem.
 
It's made of plastic and aluminum, it's inexpensive, it's easy to replace, if it fails it can torpedo an expensive transmission, and it's 17 years old.
For me, it's a no-brainer.

Bingo. Plenty of guys have gotten the milkshake with Toyota red in the radiator, nobody is immune.
 
That is OEM, they changed the design of the manifold because of the problems they were having with the original one piece cast ones cracking, and that's what they came up with, I don't recall the exact year they changed it, but I think it may have been 2001, people have nicknamed it the "Mini-Header" because they're basically a header, and since it's OEM you'll have no problems with CARB.

I think one of our members here, [MENTION=78895]DeathCougar[/MENTION], actually sells full kits to convert to the newer style OEM manifolds here:

2.4L/2.7L Header Kit

Thanks. If that will meet CARB, I'll go with that one. Looks way better than the cast OEM.
 
Thanks. If that will meet CARB, I'll go with that one. Looks way better than the cast OEM.

It meets carb. Sold many manifolds to guys in California. Its an OEM part Produced by Toyota for Toyota. Otherwise every 01-04 would fail carb too! :)
 
It's made of plastic and aluminum, it's inexpensive, it's easy to replace, if it fails it can torpedo an expensive transmission, and it's 17 years old.
For me, it's a no-brainer.

You're right. They are not all that expensive and if it will give you piece of mind, go for a new radiator. I've gotten really mixed views on this. My 2000's got 180+ on it and it's never had a problem, but from what I've read on this form, alot of people had this happen with less miles. Oddly enough I've talk to my guy at Toyota, and he says it's very rare. The local AMMCO tranny shop I talked to says he's never seen that happen. It's kinda weird that there's so many different opinions on this.
 
It meets carb. Sold many manifolds to guys in California. Its an OEM part Produced by Toyota for Toyota. Otherwise every 01-04 would fail carb too! :)

Thanks. When I do this do you suggest going a different type of stud and nuts on the 3 that attach the exhaust pipe? Would you go stainless, or just the mild steel. I would think stainless would be pretty soft and if you ever had to remove them, well, it may be big trouble. I can't tell by the picture very well is the flange made outta mild steel? It looks like the tubes are s.s.
 
My stock manifold cracked after 15 years & I went with the Doug Thorley 2.7L header. It has a ceramic coating to dissipate heat & prevent discoloration. It adds a little HP & a nice little rumble. It was worth the money. The best price I found was from URD.

That OEM header looks cool though. Better than that crap cast manifold.
 

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