TRD Pro with Bilstein suspension or TRD Off Road with KDSS?

[greensky]

For what its worth I don't feel the extra money is worth due to resale.

Here in CO people pay MSRP or MORE for one. Paying MSRP or more is never a good thing for resale or an investment.

Lets say a 42k car is worth 35k in 3 years. If you pay 42k for said car, you loose 7k. If you pay 39k for the same car, now you only loose 4k. It all comes down to math.

Paying more for a product that only appeals to a small number of buyers is never a good investment.

I paid 41,5k for my '15 Limited. That was at least 1-2k else than what a TRDP was going for here in Denver. I got a nicer 4Runner for less money and on resale it will appeal to a much larger pool of buyers.

In short if you want it, get the TRDP and love it. Don't try to justify it with resale or this or that because thats not there.

Its supply and demand and TRDPs are always in short supply so resale is going to be great compared to a Limited.

There are still many 2016 limiteds sitting unsold right now and dealers are discounting big time.

The Limited is definitely more luxurious and built for Coscto runs. Obviously you can take a Limited off road but it seems like a Sahara Wrangler vs a Rubicon Wrangler type comparison.

I agree the Limited overall is a better buy if you can get a lot off sticker and right now you can on a 2016.

I just don't see myself overlanding in a Limited but I am sure some people do.

 

[greensky]

The resale notion is mentioned a lot for TRD pros....

When the 6th gens come out (next year maybe?) The number of people willing to pay a premium for a used 5th gen TRD pro is going to drop off substantially.

It's not money in the bank as some have suggested

Well then what about a 5th gen TEP or SR5 or Limited resale drop off?

Its all relative.

Maybe they will screw up the 6th gen and put the new Camry front end on the 4runner.

 

[greensky]

The point of my post was to present alternative options. But technically the shocks that I suggested have a longer warranty (limited lifetime) then the Toyota TRD shocks which have a 3 year 36k factory warranty. Also if the parts are added after port i.e. "Dealer builds" then they fall under the 1 year dealership warranty not the 3 year 36k warranty. But I wasn't presenting this as a dealer build but as owner options.

As for the tires, there are a lot of people who drop the Nitto's that come on the pro same as the people who buy SR5's with Dunlops, but yes this would be an added expense, but one that all owners eventually have to make usually within the first 30-50k miles even if they like the stock tires.

The resale point you make could be true, or not, depending on the market when the owner is trying to sell. This a case by case basis not a guarantee. In reality the resale of any 4Runner is better than 95% of all other vehicles on the road.

You make good points, but in the end this is why each person needs to make up their own mind on what works best for them with their own $, not from me or anyone else on this forum who is just giving an opinion and has no real stake in the vehicle being purchased.

Edit: The options I presented were also just so that the OP could make an informed decision.

Thanks for the good info. I was just wondering about the tire replacement cost.

 

[nb rob]

Well then what about a 5th gen TEP or SR5 or Limited resale drop off?

Its all relative.

That's what I'm saying, it's not relative. The premium paid for the trd pro isn't just tacked on to the residual value

 

[greensky]

That's what I'm saying, it's not relative. The premium paid for the trd pro isn't just tacked on to the residual value

Its still supply and demand. And its a very hard to find vehicle that people will still want.

Now if you pay over MSRP like in CA. than thats a problem.

It doesn't matter now because its all hypothetical anyway until the 6th gen is released and theres no guarantee it will be that much better.

For now TRDPs are holding their value big time.

 

[jrandom]

You buy something like this because you like it, or it buffs your ego, you don't buy it to think your going to profit it from it particularly in the short term. You could however, buy it, drain it, re-wrap it, store it in a climate controlled environment, and let it sit for 30 years THEN you could make some bucks of it :

You lose so much value the second it you sign the line and it hits the street. If you are worried about that money you should invest it in something with a better return, even a 0.5% interest checking account is better.

You buy your new dream machine, take a left hand turn out of the dealer lot... then BAM some dumbass t-bones you, sh!t, cars totaled, so much for resale value. I bring this up as a similar circumstance happened to a forum member not that long ago.

 

[lowfatelvis]

I chose KDSS due to the thicker sway bars and the feel on the highway because of those sway bars. If I hadn't found a KDSS, I would have gone with aftermarket thicker sway bars and quick disconnects. Mostly highway driving, so quick disconnect before hitting occasional trail wouldn't bother me.

 

[Cymon]

Ha! My TEP is at the Toyota dealership at this same moment, getting 6112/5100's installed!

-- 6112's for $584 at Race Consulting Agency and
-- 5100's for $172 at AutoAnything and
-- 1" cornfed rear coil spacers for $90

Can't wait to see it! I plan on the same or similar at some point.

Now ... :focus:

 

[PCMSF]

Having driven all three trim models extensively (SR5, TRDP, and my TEP with KDSS), I would go TRD Off Road with KDSS for sure.

KDSS is amazing and SO worth it. If concerned about durability and longevity, suggest adding an extended warranty, some really good deals can be had.

 

[greensky]

You buy something like this because you like it, or it buffs your ego, you don't buy it to think your going to profit it from it particularly in the short term. You could however, buy it, drain it, re-wrap it, store it in a climate controlled environment, and let it sit for 30 years THEN you could make some bucks of it :

You lose so much value the second it you sign the line and it hits the street. If you are worried about that money you should invest it in something with a better return, even a 0.5% interest checking account is better.

You buy your new dream machine, take a left hand turn out of the dealer lot... then BAM some dumbass t-bones you, sh!t, cars totaled, insurance only pays you 90%, so much for resale value. I bring this up as a similar circumstance happened to a forum member not that long ago.

Yes you are correct. Not sure how this turned into car flipping for a profit thing?

The point is there a few vehicles these days(not many) like a Hardrock Rubicon or a TRDP that have a great resale value or trade in value because of lack of availability. Its just a plus and not a real reason to buy one.

But yes its going to drop in value once you drive it off the lot.

 

[MRM69]

Yes you are correct. Not sure how this turned into car flipping for a profit thing?

The point is there a few vehicles these days(not many) like a Hardrock Rubicon or a TRDP that have a great resale value or trade in value because of lack of availability. Its just a plus and not a real reason to buy one.

But yes its going to drop in value once you drive it off the lot.

Don't really think it's about car flipping, but more just the reality of car ownership today. As much as we say we will keep our vehicles for 5, 10, 15 years, truth is if we find we don't care for it after 1-2 years, or something else tickle's our fancy we move on to a new vehicle! For any of us able to afford a 4runner at any trim level, there are plenty of other vehicles in the same price range that we may trade our vehicles in for if the mood hits.

If that happens and you own a TRDP your in good shape as even 2 year old pro's w/ up to 50k miles are selling for original MSRP or higher all around the country. You can buy a great TEP/TRD OR P for $3k less and mod it to be a pro, but you won't get the money back on your mods. The resale on the TRDP is not an investment or money making scheme, it's just a little bit of extra value when it comes to selling/trading in during the first couple of years of ownership.

In the end, just like has been said in this thread and many others, get what you want and be happy with it. TRDP buyers are not any more foolish that TEP/TRD ORP owners modding their vehicles. We are all doing what works out best for us:violin:

 

[jrandom]

Yes you are correct. Not sure how this turned into car flipping for a profit thing?

It wasn't, lol and certainly not for profit, that just doesn't happen apart from what I just mentioned.

I think some folks just get so tied up in what they are going to get back when they sell it they don't really enjoy what they bought, not understanding that a car is not an investment but simply a luxury that you are going to pay for. That's all.

We're starting to digress too far from the original topic but I do think it is important to mention.

 

[J.F. Sebastian]

It turned-out almost to be a good thing that I can't buy a TRDP because after driving an OR with KDSS the ride sold me and my dealership has given me a remarkable deal. Considering my wagon is going to be on road more than off, it's a no-brainer really. May do suspension mods (stock - mild lift) someday but am never going to be seriously lifted and rock crawling or putting her in any jeopardy. If I was building an offroad machine to go completely ape with it'd be a pro but I bought the TRD Faux with KDSS and am going to be loving it as of next week. That's what I'd recommend.

I spent some of the money I saved on extended warranty that more than doubles my bumper to bumper and pays for all my time interval-specific maintenance for 3 years. I don't know what others' experience with Toyota extended warranty has been but I found it a bargain for the coverage and the peace of mind.

 

[cwagner]

I recently picked up a 2018 TRD ORP w/ KDSS. I drove a 2016 and 2018 without KDSS before test driving and buying the 2018 w/ KDSS. The handling is IMO way more responsive and doesn't have that "floating" feeling like the non-KDSS models. Going around turns and exit on/off ramps is incredibly smooth. I think that's where you notice the main difference. The only thing I'm not crazy about is the rougher/firmer/stiffer ride when driving on bumpy dirt/gravel roads or crappy paved roads at mid range speeds. It's like you feel every single bump reverberate throughout.

If I had to do it again I would still pick the KDSS hands down because the general handling on road is so much better. It seems the trade off is the firmer ride because of the thicker sway bars.

 

[totalnobody]

18 off road premium

I bought the off road w/kdss
and my buddy at the same time bought a pro

we are 3 months in and we have traded vehicles for a couple of days

annnnd I made the right choice!

off road has way more options than the pro roof, kdss, etc.

and my buddy agrees if he did it all over he would buy an off road.

to me that says it all side by side comparison on and off road.

(oh ya did I mention my buddy is a Toyota salesman) LoL

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