Vegas Shooting

Many fellow friends from work were there & thankfully all were safe but not by much ! Literally ducks on the pond ,could've been SO much worse !!! The right will claim isil , left will want stiffer laws , but in the end the guy was invisible other than supposed high limit gambler with homes in 3 places & obviously plenty of weapons . Best of people here , think I'll stay positive about this tragic episode !
 
I will say, as a gun owner, I'm appalled at what happened. I've seen all the footage I can find and what strikes me the most is the complacency. Many of us have not had to fight, or die for our freedom, and this has made the country oblivious to the fact that our liberties are under attack every day. I am saddened by the events in Vegas and wish and hope that we can unite as a country and purge the evil that dwells within all of us and see we are a human family. But that is just me

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I bet Trump is super pissed the killer is an old white coward like himself.



I guess you missed the mods post about politics or possibly not able to read...?

Everyone should be pissed, if your not then you might be radicalized by cnn or isis.
 
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1 post then I'm out...

Proximity makes a big difference as to how many will react to this tragedy. When the Orlando shooting happened and many before I was brought to tears by the ability that one human could willingly take the life of another with little regard. But for me it didn't take long to end up on the defense concerning guns and freedom for those that follow the law, hind sight being 20/20 I'm a bit ashamed of this..

Today, Im having a hard time moving from mourning and prayer...I believe this is good, but in-spite of that I now get to see, hear, and have to tolerate those so far removed from the situation start in the typical rants (no matter which side of the fence) and it hurts...I don't dismiss there is a problem, but its not the time.

American's (if not humans in general) as a whole should look to helping, praying, and mourning the losses and just leave the rest alone for a bit (<----for this I am so amazingly proud of my town)...the shooter shouldn't have any more voice in this. And the sad part is many are speaking for him and honed in on him whether they know it or not and forgetting the lost.



Zappos is a local company and are BIG in the community:
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...j3aKyN3QHdL9GdW0rNGxI8w144b_WHxpnEvpyoYzbuPlI

This GoFundMe is the official one set up by our county commissioner, so its legit.
https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...wx0IfJ0a91iJmspzU0B2I1OaVUZeIn_nfHDEFPZMhU97s

My church's giving. Goes directly to Las Vegas Victims. Select Las Vegas Victims Fund on the give to line.
https://hopechurchlvnv.infellowship.com/OnlineGiving/GiveNow/NoAccount
 
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Think of and support for the victims/famies, and be thankful for all heroic acts of the first responders (Police/Fire/Medical Personnel), heroic concert goers/citizens, and kind-hearted LV residents donating blood and much more from everyone else...even local hotels/businesses.

Stay united and positive. Considering the crowd magnitude, glad more didn't get hurt or killed.

I'll let the full investigation take its course and restrain from making any further assumption, IMHO.


We'll rise again from the rubbles.
 
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I’m guessing this is in response to my suggestion to the mods that it be deleted. Looking over “off-topic” I see this type of topic is usually avoided thus my suggestion to remove it. Naturally I’ll accept the mods decision but suspect it will deteriorate and go south.

Regardless, I’ve decided to step out of this before it does turn bad.

Mea culpa.

No offense dude but why even suggest the mods delete this? You created the thread and you are pm the mods suggesting it get deleted, really? I don't get it, doesn't make sense to me. You are the creator of the thread and you can delete it our your own free will. You own the creation of this topic. I'm pretty sure you already know this so what gives? I'd ask that YOU don't delete it though. You asked a question and the forum deserves to hear folks answer it.


I wonder if there would be comments if the shooter was black? Or Muslim? Or Latino? Do we need someone yelling Alhau Akubar for it to be considered terrorism?

Actually man there were 2 terrorist attacks carried out "in the name of" ISLAM the same weekend. One was in Canada with a stolen ambulance running people over and the driver jumped out yelling Alu Ackbar and stabbing people. The other was in France where a young male Muslim boarded a train and slit the throats of two teenage (one was 15) girls. Both died. He was shot and killed by French soldiers while yelling Allu ackbar. Both these incidents happened within 48 hours of the Vegas shooting, perhaps it may not have made it into your news feed or social media. No new threads on T4R were created to beat this dead horse, at least from what I've seen here.

Btw do you know why French police were able to kill the religious terrorist relatively quickly? Because they have been living in a state of emergency police rule with over 10,000 soldiers deployed continuously around France since Nice truck attack (84 killed, 100+ mutilated) and Paris (137 dead, 413 injured/mutilated) due to the risk terrorism poses NOW (vs 20 yrs ago) to their once peaceful country.

Above text contains simple facts although I realize they don't fit the popular online narrative of "what if the shooter had been X" opinion columns. Personally I don't think the shooters race changed anyones minds about anything. These tragedies are horrible and very sad, it reminds me of the white (and non-Muslim) shooter at the U- Texas clock tower in 1969.
 
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So sad is all i can say. Something has to give...gun laws, or morality issues.

Off subject, but 4Runner related...I was browsing Instagram suggested feed and saw a post from Fieldcraft Survival about a podcast the owner made a while back about active shooter situation. I decided to follow them on Insta and listen to their podcasts. Doesn't hurt that the Owner, Mike, has a sweet 4Runner as well.
 

So Jim Jefferies thinks essentially "America let this happen" I wonder what he thinks about France. I wonder what he thinks the French should have "done differently", did they "let this happen" in Nice ? Or more likely he thinks everything in France is fine and stay the course.

Seems to me that everyone's mind is already made up on guns, terrorism and immigration. We'll see. Perhaps bump stops will be made illegal. Certainly would get my vote.

NYT: NRA Supports New Laws on Bump Stops
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/us/las-vegas-shooting.html

“The N.R.A. believes that devices designed to allow semiautomatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations.”

Agreed.

:bat:
 
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That guy in that link is truly ignorant. Sorry.

I'm not saying you're wrong but if you think he's ignorant you should read up on George Soros, Saul Alinsky and Agenda 21...there's more ignorance floating around than you think. My thoughts and prayers reach out to everyone affected by this tragedy.
 
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So Jim Jefferies thinks essentially "America let this happen" I wonder what he thinks about France. I wonder what he thinks the French should have "done differently", did they "let this happen" in Nice ? Or more likely he thinks everything in France is fine and stay the course.

Seems to me that everyone's mind is already made up on guns, terrorism and immigration. We'll see. Perhaps bump stops will be made illegal. Certainly would get my vote.

Well if there were attacks in France then clearly there is nothing America can do....
 
No offense dude but why even suggest the mods delete this? You created the thread and you are pm the mods suggesting it get deleted, really? I don't get it, doesn't make sense to me. You are the creator of the thread and you can delete it our your own free will. You own the creation of this topic. I'm pretty sure you already know this so what gives? I'd ask that YOU don't delete it though. You asked a question and the forum deserves to hear folks answer it.

No offense taken dude. I just looked and you’re right that I can delete it. I’m accustomed to forums having a “grace period” of 5-10 minutes to delete after that only the mods can. I wrongly assumed that was the case here.

I won’t delete it or participate in it but will add that the way this forum is set up allowing OP’s to always go back and delete a thread/post isn’t a good idea. It can result in unintelligible threads or useless search engine results like we now see on all the missing images that were previously linked instead of uploaded.
 
UNREAL & Unseen footage Vegas Mandalay Bay.... wait for it / "were are the cops at, everything seems normal"... https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=WNiRr763gJA

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MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: Official story of Las Vegas shooting unravels; physical impossibility of lone gunman senior citizen makes narrative ludicrous

MISSION IMPOSSIBLE - It’s all hogwash. The “official” narrative of how things went down in the Las Vegas massacre is so full of holes that it begs the question of just how deep the truth about this attack really goes.

What we know for sure is that, yes, 59 people were killed (so far) and hundreds were wounded. This wasn’t a “hoax” shooting - people actually were shot, wounded and killed (and our prayers go out to all their families for this horrific tragedy). Yet the official narrative that claims Stephen Paddock ? a retired, 64-year-old accountant with absolutely no firearms training, no gun experience and no physical stamina ? was somehow able to expertly wield a highly complex (and physically demanding) weapon system for 10 sustained minutes is total nonsense.

Even highly trained Navy Seals would have a difficult time running a full auto weapon for 10 minutes straight. Such weapon systems are brutal on the operator. They require tremendous strength, stamina and expert troubleshooting to keep running. Full-auto weapons overheat and jam. They demand incredible strength to keep aimed on target. They require expert reloading and weapons clearing in the case of jams, and the room would have been so full of smoke and powder residue that it would be almost impossible to keep breathing from that enclosed space.

Far from what the firearms-illiterate media claims, these are not systems that any Joe off the street can just pick up and use to effortlessly mow down 500 people. Running these systems requires extensive training, experience and stamina. It is physically impossible for a guy like Stephen Paddock to operate such a system in the sustained, effective manner that we witnessed.

Read more at - https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-10...ter-is-complete-nonsense-stephen-paddock.html

Far from being a Navy Seal, Stephen Paddock is a retired accountant senior citizen with a gambling problem and a flabby physique. The only way he could have carried out this shooting is if he were transformed into a human superweapon through a magic wand. I?m calling this ?Mission IMPOSSIBLE? because of the physical impossibility of a retired, untrained senior citizen pulling this off.

Here are 10+ reasons why the official narrative is complete B.S.

1: As many as 10 rifles were found in his hotel room? but only one shooter?

2: As with many orchestrated shootings, the scapegoat was murdered before he could talk

3: Why are there no muzzle flashes visible from the 32nd-floor Mandalay Bay windows in any of the videos that captured the shooting?

4 Why does the gunfire in multiple online videos clearly sound like automatic weapons fire from MULTIPLE weapons?

5: ISIS has openly claimed responsibility for the attack, stating that Paddock ?converted to Islam? months earlier

6: Stephen Paddock had no familiarity with automatic weapons and no military training; was not a ?gun guy?

7: How does a 64-year-old accountant with no military training possess the strength and stamina to fire a fully automatic weapon for nearly 10 minutes?

8: Stephen Paddock was gambling away huge amounts of cash? where did he get all that money?

9: Stephen Paddock has no criminal history, no record and no apparent beef with anybody

10: The attack required meticulous planning, funding and training? it wasn?t some lone senior citizen who just ?snapped?

11: How was the FBI able to almost immediately declare Paddock had no ties to ISIS ? barely 12 hours after the shooting ? when the same agency has spent over a year investigating President Trump with zero evidence linking him to Russia, all while refusing to declare Trump has no ties to Russia?

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Las Vegas shooter's hotel records wiped

Laura Loomer ✔@LauraLoomer
Sources who work for @MGMResortsIntl [MENTION=10867]Manda[/MENTION]layBay are telling me the company/resort has DELETED ALL RECORDS of #StephenPaddock's reservation

A report from Laura Loomer claims Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock's hotel reservations was suspiciously deleted.

Trey Gowdy finds the whole story hard to believe, and isn’t quite buying the narrative that one guy was able to pull all of this off by himself. Were there others involved in this horrific massacre?

Trey Gowdy: My heart is broken for my fellow Americans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=zD6bk18TfJw

Breaking: Las Vegas shooter's hotel records wiped

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The Truth About The Las Vegas Shooting and Stephen Paddock
By
Stefan Molyneux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OzcNR-Ao00

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Stephen Paddock Las Vegas Gunman Was Set Up By The Illuminati CIA Occult?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2prDKTzCbM

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Former SEAL Team Commander Speaks On Las Vegas Shooting
By
Alex Jones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT43u1wvy-4
 
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Here are 10+ reasons why the official narrative is complete B.S.

Paddock Las Vegas Gunman Was Set Up By The Illuminati CIA Occult?


Yes bro it was the Illuminati or Aliens. I know this because .... Alex Jones. Duh. :cheer2:

Surprised to see that Canadians are falling for this now.
 

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