Why Shrockworks is definitely worth the price!
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ARK_SWAMP_RIDER
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I'm not 100%, but I'm pretty sure you could upgrade to some OME heavy duty springs that would hold the weight. You wouldn't want the 5100/FJ setup to hold that weight.
Good to see how well those things hold up!!!
Good to see how well those things hold up!!!
gptoy96
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Wow! I was just in Facebook and seen these pics. Figured this would be the best place to see the story behind them.
Glad to hear you're ok and hopefully that lady is too. The 4R with the Shrockworks sure make a formidable force in an impact. Amazing to see the difference of damage between the two vehicles.
Glad to hear you're ok and hopefully that lady is too. The 4R with the Shrockworks sure make a formidable force in an impact. Amazing to see the difference of damage between the two vehicles.
andyman32392
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Blue car was the unfortunate bystander that got caught in the path. When we collided, my 4Runner knocked the red car all the way into the blue car which was in a right turn lane. Luckily she was nice enough to be a truthful witness a gave the true story to the police, which should hopefully keep me from any legal troubles for some lady lying because she didn't pay attention and got hit by a teenager.
andyman32392
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Here is a ridiculously rough sketch of what happened. I know its terrible.
I understand this but I can attest that even with an after market bumper, the airbags are still functional. I hit a tree with a Demello bumper on my FJ cruiser and the airbags still deployed, I was probably going around 30MPH and the damage wasn't that significant when you looked at it but the frame was torn up. One of the D-Rings on the bumper took almost all of the impact forced everything back on the driver side to where I couldn't open my door. I, too thought that a bumper would hinder the crumple zones / airbag sensors but I was pleasantly surprised and I'm counting down the days when I get to put another demello on my 4R.
I'm glad everyone involved is alright, that dodge looks so messed up though. You need to frame that and send it to Shrockworks.
Also, be sure to have the frame checked out, the mounting brackets are going to need some correction.
Also glad you're okay and hope the driver of the other car is too. Interesting thread and makes me think about aftermarket bumpers and safety features. Juanto cites his air bag deploying at 30 mph into a stationary object while there's no airbags deployed at 45 mph into a moving object. I'm no physicist but something doesn't seem right.
When I was shopping for my 4Runner I did look at one with an aftermarket bumper that had a yellow and black sticker stating that the bumper did make the airbags inoperable. Where are the airbag sensors? What do they need to be deployed?
When I was shopping for my 4Runner I did look at one with an aftermarket bumper that had a yellow and black sticker stating that the bumper did make the airbags inoperable. Where are the airbag sensors? What do they need to be deployed?
andyman32392
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Here is my thought on all that, I feel that Shrockworks designed the mounting points and brackets in a way to where in a collision the bumper shifts upward, diverting the energy from going straight back into the vehicle which keeps the airbags from deployment unless completely necessary.
The difference is I hit a big-ass tree and he hit a tiny car. I literally bounced off the tree and he pushed the car forward a good distance so his deceleration wasn't as great as mine.
IIRC, there are sensors that detect impact that is beyond the threshold and deploy the air-bags. Most bumpers, because they aren't going to buckle under load these sensors usually don't pick up anything. The only bumper that I know of that does this is an ARB bumper.
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andyman32392
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To add, I feel like this may be the case since I remember someone else on the forum had a Shrockworks and ran into the back of a minivan on the highway. His damage and aftermath looked almost identical to mine. No real heavy damage except that the bumper was tilted upwards and the hood was pinned down. In fact his accident was the reason that pushed me into getting one, go figure.
Thai
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Glad that you're OK!!
Interesting discussion. A few things/questions on my end:
1. Check your frame! The bumper is bolted to the frame, right? If so, then any movement of the bumper is a movement straight to the frame. I would get out a "right angle" ruler and check the entire front frame.
2. Airbags (front ones) deploy depending on how rapid the deceleration is, not on the actual impact. At least, this is how most airbags work. So, if you hit a tree and your force of deceleration is large enough, then the airbags will deploy. If you hit an object but don't slow down enough (aka not enough deceleration force), then the airbags remain quiet.
3. Now, to my question...back to Mica's hypothetical situation...COULD the lady sue YOU for having a nonDOT-spec (aka aftermarket) bumper & lift and thus causing harm to her (hypothetical) daughter??? She is at fault in the accident, but her lawyer may turn this around saying that if you had a stock 4runner, then her daughter would still be healthy today. (I know that she would have been injured also if a stock 4runner hit her, but the lawyer will focus on the aftermarket stuff!) I don't know the answer...i am no lawyer, nor do i pretend to be one.
4. Small note...glad that i have a car with side curtain and seat-mounted airbags in case i am as air-headed as this lady!
5. Small note #2...this is why the future cars will have radar crash prevention/mitigation system (aka Lexus/Toyota Pre-Collision System)...the PCS would have seen the object in front...slammed on the brakes to slow down and thus decrease severity of collision...and tightened the driver's seatbelts to prep him/her for collision.
Again, glad that you're OK...and glad that the lady is OK too.
Interesting discussion. A few things/questions on my end:
1. Check your frame! The bumper is bolted to the frame, right? If so, then any movement of the bumper is a movement straight to the frame. I would get out a "right angle" ruler and check the entire front frame.
2. Airbags (front ones) deploy depending on how rapid the deceleration is, not on the actual impact. At least, this is how most airbags work. So, if you hit a tree and your force of deceleration is large enough, then the airbags will deploy. If you hit an object but don't slow down enough (aka not enough deceleration force), then the airbags remain quiet.
3. Now, to my question...back to Mica's hypothetical situation...COULD the lady sue YOU for having a nonDOT-spec (aka aftermarket) bumper & lift and thus causing harm to her (hypothetical) daughter??? She is at fault in the accident, but her lawyer may turn this around saying that if you had a stock 4runner, then her daughter would still be healthy today. (I know that she would have been injured also if a stock 4runner hit her, but the lawyer will focus on the aftermarket stuff!) I don't know the answer...i am no lawyer, nor do i pretend to be one.
4. Small note...glad that i have a car with side curtain and seat-mounted airbags in case i am as air-headed as this lady!
5. Small note #2...this is why the future cars will have radar crash prevention/mitigation system (aka Lexus/Toyota Pre-Collision System)...the PCS would have seen the object in front...slammed on the brakes to slow down and thus decrease severity of collision...and tightened the driver's seatbelts to prep him/her for collision.
Again, glad that you're OK...and glad that the lady is OK too.
I'm also no lawyer but anybody can sue anybody else as we well know. Having an aftermarket bumper could be construed as "contributory negligence" on the 4Runner's part but that would be a stretch since we "know for a fact" that the driver of the other car was at fault.
Thanks for the deceleration explanation, it makes sense.
needsmoresalt
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The bumper was clearly an aggravating factor in the incident, the woman was mesmerized by it and couldn't help but pull-out in front of it.
Seriously, I'd really doubt there's any liability to be had when it comes to non-stock modifications, unless they were needlessly and deliberately dangerous. You know, something like welding 2' sharpened-steel spikes on your Shrockworks to impale anyone who gets in your way.
Removing certain Federally-mandated safety devices like crash bars in the rear of a semitrailer, or removing your bumpers altogether generally run afoul of laws. Many larger trucks don't have "bumpers" on the ends of their frames, but they have end caps riveted so that there aren't frame rails sticking-out to impale anything in their way.
If modifying a vehicle's ground clearance or bumpers was liability, you'd probably hear more about folks in lifted pickups or with oversize tires getting sued.
Seriously, I'd really doubt there's any liability to be had when it comes to non-stock modifications, unless they were needlessly and deliberately dangerous. You know, something like welding 2' sharpened-steel spikes on your Shrockworks to impale anyone who gets in your way.
Removing certain Federally-mandated safety devices like crash bars in the rear of a semitrailer, or removing your bumpers altogether generally run afoul of laws. Many larger trucks don't have "bumpers" on the ends of their frames, but they have end caps riveted so that there aren't frame rails sticking-out to impale anything in their way.
If modifying a vehicle's ground clearance or bumpers was liability, you'd probably hear more about folks in lifted pickups or with oversize tires getting sued.
