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Old 05-23-2023, 01:31 PM #16
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For how much they cost? Yeah, I'd do them.

Just had my LBJ's replaced, all new bolts, nuts, and pins.

Not doing so is (in my mind) akin to doing the timing belt, but not the water pump and pulleys at the same time. You'd rather risk doing a $1000 over again, to save $150? Good money against bad.

I'm a mechanical moron as soon as gas is involved, I ask dumb, annoying questions on here all the time because of it.

So allow me to help for once and say, yes, replace them, unless you like spending more money later.

McGeorge is who I got the parts through, all OEM, and their customer service was second to none, I'm super impressed.

https://www.mcgeorgetoyota.com

McGeorge is great. They ship quick and they have great prices. My rack was like 300 dollars more expensive at my local dealership as opposed to McGeorge


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McGeorge is great. They ship quick and they have great prices. My rack was like 300 dollars more expensive at my local dealership as opposed to McGeorge


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My local dealer is 100% markup compared to Toyotaparts.

And toyotaparts will ship dealer direct and I can pick it up.


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I'd go with either ARP 663-1004 or ARP 673-1004 (torqued to 60-65 ft-lbs) or OEM Toyota 90119-10933 (torqued to 37 ft-lbs).

With either of these, we found that there is not much degradation in preload vs torque for about 3-4 cycles. After that, you'll probably want to bump the torque up a little bit to maintain the same preload.

For other OEM Toyota bolts (red or green), or generic 10.9 Zinc bolts, the degradation was more severe.

I wouldn't worry about reusing bolts from the strength standpoint, unless they get grossly overtorqued.
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I'd go with either ARP 663-1004 or ARP 673-1004 (torqued to 60-65 ft-lbs) or OEM Toyota 90119-10933 (torqued to 37 ft-lbs).



With either of these, we found that there is not much degradation in preload vs torque for about 3-4 cycles. After that, you'll probably want to bump the torque up a little bit to maintain the same preload.



For other OEM Toyota bolts (red or green), or generic 10.9 Zinc bolts, the degradation was more severe.



I wouldn't worry about reusing bolts from the strength standpoint, unless they get grossly overtorqued.
I figured 4 to 6 reuses before trashing the bolts for new ones...

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Can the LBJ bolts be replaced with the truck on the ground or do you have to lift it? I'm thinking of buying a set and replacing them one at a time? My LBJs were replead about 60xxx miles ago. The shop gave me back my new OEM nuts and bolts. They said I didn't need them. Since then these LBJ bolts have been reused twice. Once to replace LCAs and once when replacing CV axles.
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Can the LBJ bolts be replaced with the truck on the ground or do you have to lift it? I'm thinking of buying a set and replacing them one at a time? My LBJs were replead about 60xxx miles ago. The shop gave me back my new OEM nuts and bolts. They said I didn't need them. Since then these LBJ bolts have been reused twice. Once to replace LCAs and once when replacing CV axles.
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I would only be comfortable changing the bolts one at a time with wheels on the ground. Lifting it would still be ideal to ensure there’s no load on the joint.
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Not sure if your a moderator for this forum but if your not I don’t see why you would care. Not like you own or fund this forum and have to “clean up”

A simple “welfare wagon your an idiot but yes I’d change the bolts” would answer my question and send this thread into the depths of the 1000 others that will never see the light of day

I don’t have enough time in my day to care about how many times a thread has been posted, if I stopped and commented about ever stupid thing I saw on the internet I’d have lived 6 lifetimes already. Consensus on LBJ bolts


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Don't worry friend, I appreciate being reminded of very important matters like lower ball joint bolts, as for example, I remember re-using my old ones on the last LBJ replacement. That and the pink milkshake (change that rad after a few years) should be constantly remembered across the community.

Oh and message of public interest: check your valve lash at your next timing belt, your exhaust valves are most probably out of spec.
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Can the LBJ bolts be replaced with the truck on the ground or do you have to lift it? I'm thinking of buying a set and replacing them one at a time? My LBJs were replead about 60xxx miles ago. The shop gave me back my new OEM nuts and bolts. They said I didn't need them. Since then these LBJ bolts have been reused twice. Once to replace LCAs and once when replacing CV axles.
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Yup, that's all good. Each bolt by itself has 7k-10k lbs of preload and 3-5k lbs of headroom above that before yield. Just one will hold the truck up static, no problem - and you'll have 3 in there at all times.

That's what I did with mine when I swapped over to the ARPs from the "Green" bolts. You might have to turn the wheels to access all the bolts, and I have 17" wheels, so I'm not sure of clearance if you have 16's/15's.

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