What is the upper limit of safe transmission temps?

JoshuaHufford

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Going to be going on a trip for the first time in the T4R we just bought towing our camper, a 17ft hybrid that weighs about 3000 lbs. dry.

I was a bit disappointed in the size of the transmission cooler and I'm thinking about getting a larger one but I won't have the time to install one before our trip in a few weeks.

I have the OBD reader and the Torque app setup for monitoring the trans temp, just want to know what is a safe temp and when do I start to worry?

Thanks!
 
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Going to be going on a trip for the first time in the T4R we just bought towing our camper, a 17ft hybrid that weighs about 3000 lbs. dry.

I was a bit disappointed in the size of the transmission cooler and I'm thinking about getting a larger one but I won't have the time to install one before our trip in a few weeks.

I have the OBD reader and the Torque app setup for monitoring the trans temp, just want to know what is a safe temp and when do I start to worry?

Thanks!

Transmission temperature is about the same as engine temperature, 175 degrees to about 220 degrees, BUT lower is always better, I would let mine cool off once it gets anywhere above 200 to 210 degrees.
 
Thanks. Do you just park and let it idle to cool off?

Just curious. Does anyone know at what temp the warning light will come on for AT temp on the dash?
 
To cool it off just normal driving on flat ground, .....uphill driving, idling at stop lights, stop and go in heavy traffic, especially in hot weather are usually what drives the temperature up, air going through the trans cooler and radiator is what will cool it down, if normal driving doesn't seem to be bringing the temperature back down I would recommend stopping somewhere for a while and turn the engine off.

Warning light from what I have read comes on around 230 to 235 degrees, BUT IMHO at that temperature you are already starting to do damage to the trans.
 
Ive heard a million different answers on this. From what I read you want to keep it under 225F but it is ok to let it get up to 240F as long as it is not for long periods. The best way to keep it cool is to keep the transmission locked out. The lockout engages in 4th and 5th gears on the V8 4runner. I found that if you can keep it locked out in 5th it will run the coolest but if you are going up hill or have a strong headwind you will need to downshift to 4th to keep it locked out.
 
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Ive heard a million different answers on this. From what I read you want to keep it under 225F but it is ok to let it get up to 240F as long as it is not for long periods. The best way to keep it cool is to keep the transmission locked out. The lockout engages in 4th and 5th gears on the V8 4runner. I found that if you can keep it locked out in 5th it will run the coolest but if you are going up hill or have a strong headwind you will need to downshift to 4th to keep it locked out.

By locked out you mean the torque converter locked correct?
 
Transmission temperature is about the same as engine temperature, 175 degrees to about 220 degrees, BUT lower is always better, I would let mine cool off once it gets anywhere above 200 to 210 degrees.



Judging by my experience you will spend an awful lot of time parked if you want to let it cool off at 210 degrees. On my trip last month to Yosemite I maxed out from Oakhurst into the park at 240 ish. On the return trip about 242 going over the Tejon Pass. Outside temp about 100 degrees. I’ve heard all kinds of claims on trans temp light, most high 200’s to 300 degrees. Can vouch mine did not come on at 241 though. Towing 3500 lbs or so.
 
Judging by my experience you will spend an awful lot of time parked if you want to let it cool off at 210 degrees. On my trip last month to Yosemite I maxed out from Oakhurst into the park at 240 ish. On the return trip about 242 going over the Tejon Pass. Outside temp about 100 degrees. I’ve heard all kinds of claims on trans temp light, most high 200’s to 300 degrees. Can vouch mine did not come on at 241 though. Towing 3500 lbs or so.

Are you using the stock transmission cooler?
 
I tow our hybrid travel trailer a couple times a summer. It’s roughly 3500lbs fully loaded. I put an aux trans cooler on and did not bypass the small one that’s built into the radiator. (Honestly not sure how you would, but I remember reading something back when I was installing it a couple years ago about people doing one or the other, not both).

We have one main trip we go on each year that where we’re towing for a couple hundred miles and theres a few decent hills and one BIG hill. The hottest I’ve ever seen the transmission get is 219 on that hill, but it typically stays around the 160-170 range cruising down the road at 65-70. That’s keeping it in 4th. I’ve tried to put it in 5th for a little while to see what happens. The transmission quickly gets to 180-190+ on flat ground in 5th, just because it’s searching a little more. 4th gear for towing is key.

So I think you’ll be totally fine with what you’re doing BUT I’d highly recommend a scangauge or something similar to monitor that temp. That way you can back off a little if need be and really be on top of where it’s at.
 
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So I have been towing a 20 ft travel trailer that weighs almost 4k loaded out, the dry weight is 2850. Towing the camper the is the whole reason I got rid of my Rubicon, the fam wanted a camper and I still wanted to be able to go offload on our trips, so thats were the 4runner came in. I live in eastern KS and all of our trips have been out west to the mountain states. I pull this boat anchor through the western KS and eastern CO winds. I have found that my trans temps directly corilate to wind and outside temp. I am running the stock cooler plus a Derale stacked plate 19 row cooler after the factory setup. This has helped my temps but not fixed the heat issue. On my first trip towing I only had the stock cooler and my temps got close to 250 at times (not sustained) while pulling in a head wind. This trip took us from KS to Yellowstone then up to Glacier Nat Park. After the trip I noticed the some funky shifting at random times (hitting hard going into drive and shifting). I took it to the dealer and had them do a complete flush, the tech told me the fluid definitely smelled burnt and the flush fixed the funky shifting issues.

Before our next rip I installed the second cooler and found that it helped quite bit. The thing is, the last couple trips I have managed to avoid the 40 mph winds of western KS either by luck or by driving at night. On those trips trans temps stayed in the 150 range and the 4runner pulled like a champ, I frequently looked down and found I was speeding and had to slow up. On our last trip back last month I hit the wind hard, outside temp was around 102 with a 40 MPH crosswind. I have always towed locked out in 4th no matter the conditions, but I didn't have enough power in 4th to sustain speed and the 4R would downshift to 3rd causing the trans to heat up. I have the torque app set to alarm if the trans temps reach 220. I had it hit 220 multiple times for a few secs before it would shift back to 4th then cool back down to 190 or so. Im noticing some funky shifting again like before so should I change the fluid myself and put a synthetic type trans fluid in or should I go back to the dealer and have them put World ATF in? I have been saving up for a rear bumper but I think that will go towards a re-gear and locker (4.11 possibly 4.30). I want this truck to pull good and not explode a tranny because I actually really like it and have been very impressed with what it will do off-road for what it is. Im currently running 285/70 BFG KO2 with a Relentless front bumper and sliders. Would a synthetic fluid disperse heat better than OEM and would a re-gear actually help with stress on the trans. Im all ears on this and I'll put up some photos of my setup including the second cooler. I would highly reckoned to anyone towing a camper or enclosed trailer to add a second cooler, it will only help to prolong the life too your trans. Forgive my photo posting skills, I suck at it.
 

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How does one lock out the torque converter? I'm not aware of such a feature.

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Most automatics have a lockout function. Basically it means that the torque converter is spinning at the same RPM as the motor. From what I understand the 5 speed in the v8 4runners will lockout in 4th and 5th gears. When it locks out the rpms will drop a little. Usually for my it will lock out when I get up to speed and am driving without giving much throttle. Hope this helps. I also found this which might explain the lockout feature better than I have.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/22240-5th-gear-towing.html#post191832
 

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