Is the 5th gen falling out of favor?

maybe it's a regional thing..We're a major port for SE Toyota..I can tell you where I am in Florida they're all over..possibly it's because I drive one now that I notice them more, but even going to work, I passed a 5th gen magnetic gray metallic Sr5 going in the opposite direction and was behind one in traffic..If I walked out to my office parking lot right now there are probably 1/2 a dozen 5th gens and and least one or 2 4th gens..If anything, I feel like they're pretty common..
 
Big_Cuss said:
The issue you're seeing isn't the truck falling out of favor at all. It's 2 things:
1) A lot of people have this dream - from their cubicle in the Matrix - of this wild, adventurous lifestyle of exploration. But the reality is that they put together the perfect vehicle for it, and then have zero guts and nuts to actually leave the Matrix and do said exploring. So then their spouse and their accountant convince them to sell it, lol.
2) The demographic who goes for the 5th gen, ie, middle management Matrix guy, also has a severe OCD prepper/consumer-whorist mentality, as detailed in Fight Club with the Ikea catalog. So there are a ton of folks who are "building" and "instagramming" these brutal battle-beasts that are stock weight (4,500 lbs) +1,500 lbs of steel armor, wheels, bumpers, etc, in pursuit of the perfect stance and look... and then they realize that all the race-ready and aftermarket parts aren't OEM R&Ded, and thus require a metric sh*tton of maintenance and bi-annual rebuilds and lots of grease to keep away the squeaks... and they end up cutting their losses and selling.

So that's what you're seeing.

That said, I do have an uncanny ability to see the future, and for about a year now, I've been wondering how this forum's for-sale section will look when gas hits $5/gallon. I think there will be some tasty part and used built-trucks for sale lol
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I thought [MENTION=124732]LawnDart[/MENTION] sold out for a Raptor
 
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I see them everywhere by me, mostly stock. Mine is 3 months old and still stock. Haven't had the opportunity to trail it yet but will probably do so next year.
Can't wait to drive her in some snow though!
 
In my area these sell quickly . I had to order my 4runner took 6 weeks ..

also these have a very high resale value .. reason is they sell quickly .

great for snow .. also beach ...

if you want a GM truck/suv no problem lots are loaded .. also lower resale value ..
 
STX4Runner said:
I don't gas is hitting $5/gal soon with all the spare capacity sitting in shale fields right now.
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Sure, as long as Republicans stay in control. If the Dems take the Whitehouse and congress, things will change. Drilling and exploration will be shut down, new regulations and new taxes and gas will hit at least $5 a gallon.
 
Redsoxx1918 said:
Sure, as long as Republicans stay in control. If the Dems take the Whitehouse and congress, things will change. Drilling and exploration will be shut down, new regulations and new taxes and gas will hit at least $5 a gallon.
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Is that so? Source please. Sounds as credible as "new 4R due in showrooms next year". Shale gas is here to stay and might be more regulated (EPA) if what you say happens, which is a good thing (I'm not going to get into why having regulations to police an industry is necessary), however, and with all due respect, thinking they will be shut down is ridiculous.
 
Gromulus said:
I commend Toyota's commitment to quality and reliability but in this day and age with technology moving so rapidly, even a 5 - 7 year generation lifespan is too long. I would have thought that Toyota would at least do a refresh a few years ago and add some of these features.
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Perspective is everything and I fully understand where you're coming from. I'll play friendly devil's advocate however and say, coming from a(4 total) BMW where there is a facelift refresh every ~3yrs and a full overhaul every ~6yrs, I got tired of the constant churning/updates and the impact it had on resale/value. Partly why the 4Runner, Wranglers, and even the MB G class retain such high resale is because they're built on a longstanding platform. It's give and take. I traded in a 6yr old, 70k mile, BMW coupe that was $60k MSRP and the dealer gave me $9k trade in! And even then it was considered "outdated" in terms of technology compared to the new generation.

I feel like the 4Runner answers every complaint I had of any other vehicle I've owned, especially luxury class, whether it be reliability, cost to maintain, etc and vice versa the 4Runner lacks everything I loved about any other vehicle I've owned, it just comes down to what's more important to each individual out there and if the pros outweigh the cons. My last year of owning the BMW I realized I spent $500/mo in maintenance if I averaged my yearly total over 12 months...for that I could have just leased a new model!
 
catrains said:
In my area these sell quickly . I had to order my 4runner took 6 weeks ..

also these have a very high resale value .. reason is they sell quickly .

great for snow .. also beach ...

if you want a GM truck/suv no problem lots are loaded .. also lower resale value ..
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Agreed, I had to drive an hour just to get the truck I wanted, and I have a dealership 5 minutes from my house
 
Gromulus said:
As a fifteen year owner of a 4th generation (V8) 4Runner, I concur. I love this vehicle but I'll be damned if I am going to pay $38 - 48K for a ten year old platform (albeit very reliable) with an under-powered engine, archaic five speed transmission, and completely devoid of the modern safety features (BSM, rear cross-traffic, lane departure, radar speed and breaking, etc.) that even my daughter's $20K Mazda3 has.

I have been waiting a few years to upgrade my 4Runner but next spring I will move on to something else.

I commend Toyota's commitment to quality and reliability but in this day and age with technology moving so rapidly, even a 5 - 7 year generation lifespan is too long. I would have thought that Toyota would at least do a refresh a few years ago and add some of these features.
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I knew exactly what I was buying when I purchased mine. A reliable, capable off road vehicle that happens to be a great dd too.
Yep, if I wanted to risk buying technology over quality I would not have purchased my 4Runner.
 
Muzzle of Bees said:
I knew exactly what I was buying when I purchased mine. A reliable, capable off road vehicle that happens to be a great dd too.
Yep, if I wanted to risk buying technology over quality I would not have purchased my 4Runner.
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Good for you. I have felt the same way for most of the 15 years I have owned mine. I have the V8 with over 7,000 towing capacity and would like to see the 4Runner again offer a V8 option that offers more than the same 5,000 lb towing capacity as the Highlander - along with a frame mounted hitch receiver (again). And while they are at it, perhaps anti-sway control.

Would also like a transmission with more speeds (but no CVT!) for improved gas mileage.

Not looking for lots of tech but blind spot monitoring, cross traffic, and lane departure features are not expensive to add and would greatly enhance the safety aspect of the vehicle.

An updated screen with enhanced graphics is long overdue and of course Toyota's reluctance to add Apple Car play and Android Auto.

I know many will say just move to the Lexus GX....but I hate the space robbing third row seating, side opening rear door, and (IMO) fugly front grill design.
 
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Just glancing through I keep seeing how it’s an “outdated platform”. I could care less. I’ve always had Tacoma’s, always liked 4Rs and I have 2 kids and a 4Runner is much better for my needs. My 2nd gen Tacoma’s have never had this technology that’s in a 4Runner. Ever since the redesigned bumpers and lights a few years ago I really wanted one and I finally got one a year ago. Y’all might want a new design but my 4R is still new to me and I love it.
Y’all want a more modern powertrain we’ll check out the 3rd gen Taco and report back because that’s where modernized powertrain are going and I don’t want it. The solid 4.0 is another reason I went with the “outdated” 4R.
Lane changing and the dynamic cruise and all that, I don’t want that.
I want my tried and true solid 4R.
Oh and speaking of outdated, there’s just as many 4th gens around here as there are 5th gens
 
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Judd94 said:
Just glancing through I keep seeing how it’s an “outdated platform”. I could care less. I’ve always had Tacoma’s, always liked 4Rs and I have 2 kids and a 4Runner is much better for my needs. My 2nd gen Tacoma’s have never had this technology that’s in a 4Runner. Ever since the redesigned bumpers and lights a few years ago I really wanted one and I finally got one a year ago. Y’all might want a new design but my 4R is still new to me and I love it.
Y’all want a more modern powertrain we’ll check out the 3rd gen Taco and report back because that’s where modernized powertrain are going and I don’t want it. The solid 4.0 is another reason I went with the “outdated” 4R
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Couldn't agree more. I casually looked at a awd crv leading up to my 4r purchase, but the small displacement turbo band-aid motor and cvt worried me the most. Looks like honda is now having big problems emerging on this new motor. I've been a consumer test bed for too long as it is.
 
Jbatman said:
Perspective is everything and I fully understand where you're coming from. I'll play friendly devil's advocate however and say, coming from a(4 total) BMW where there is a facelift refresh every ~3yrs and a full overhaul every ~6yrs, I got tired of the constant churning/updates and the impact it had on resale/value. Partly why the 4Runner, Wranglers, and even the MB G class retain such high resale is because they're built on a longstanding platform. It's give and take. I traded in a 6yr old, 70k mile, BMW coupe that was $60k MSRP and the dealer gave me $9k trade in! And even then it was considered "outdated" in terms of technology compared to the new generation.

I feel like the 4Runner answers every complaint I had of any other vehicle I've owned, especially luxury class, whether it be reliability, cost to maintain, etc and vice versa the 4Runner lacks everything I loved about any other vehicle I've owned, it just comes down to what's more important to each individual out there and if the pros outweigh the cons. My last year of owning the BMW I realized I spent $500/mo in maintenance if I averaged my yearly total over 12 months...for that I could have just leased a new model!
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I just about choked on my caviar! You lost $51k in value on your BMW over 6 years? That's around $700/month! Ouch! Add your $500/month maintenance average and that car cost you $1200 a month to own for the past year. Unless you were also making payments...:fear:

I just bought a 2019 4Runner and I couldn't be more thrilled. It's partly perspective, as you said. My expectations for tech candy and sensors and such just aren't there. I don't need that. Besides, this 4Runner has more tech than I've EVER had. And I also realize something: Toyota hasn't designed and manufactured this vehicle in this way because they CAN'T make it differently. They're not woefully behind the times - they are perhaps the largest automaker in the world. They are certainly capable of doing what anyone else is doing. But they understand their buyers, and the NUMBER ONE reason people buy Toyotas is this - reliability.

Toyota builds that better than anyone else, and has the track record to back it up. So if I want a 'more up-to-date' vehicle (whatever that includes), they're out there. As for me, I don't believe a vehicle exists that does all the things a 4Runner does, the way a 4Runner does them, for as many miles as a 4Runner will go. For me, it's the complete package.
 
CookieRoe said:
Is that so? Source please. Sounds as credible as "new 4R due in showrooms next year". Shale gas is here to stay and might be more regulated (EPA) if what you say happens, which is a good thing (I'm not going to get into why having regulations to police an industry is necessary), however, and with all due respect, thinking they will be shut down is ridiculous.
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Remember 2008 when gas was going to cross $5.00/gallon and never go back below that price?
 
maybe I'm old school, but I specifically purchased the 4runner for it's lack of bells and whistles, just felt there was less that could go wrong..for me, having good bluetooth, decent back up camera and nav was pretty much all I really needed. yes I know some of the tech is dated and entune isn't that great, but I came from an '03 Crown Vic and our newest vehicle is an '10 Odyssey so this is light years ahead of my other vehicles...
 
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