5th Gen 4R Compared to the 2022 Explorer/Aviator - 4R 6th Gen is Here

RichinRidgewood

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I recently went to a couple Ford dealerships and Lincoln dealerships to look at the Explorer and the Aviator. I was really impressed.

The 5th Gen with its bad paint and glass, awful color selection, terrible fuel economy (19 mpg on the HWY wth ?), 1994 technology 4 wheel drive, lack of a reverse monitor, no automatic steering, I could go on and on, is sad. After seeing these Fords and Lincolns I cant see why most people would even consider a 4Runner anymore. Look out Toyota.

To be clear, the 2020-2022 Explorer and the Aviator are what TODAYS 4Runner should be NOW and the 6th Gen 4Runner must more. Who knows when or if it will even come out. I predict the new 4Runner will be a flop if it falls short of this. The 4Runner is way way behind in features compared to the other SUVs in its class. The next generation will need to be a huge leap forward to even be competitive.

If I was buying a new vehicle today I would probably buy an Explorer XLT or above. Aviators are beautiful vehicles however they are more expensive.

The Lincoln Aviator is extraordinarily nice.

https://www.lincoln.com/luxury-suvs/aviator/

The list Explorer’s feature are astounding

https://www.ford.com/suvs/explorer/

Here are some highlights:

*RWD platform with AWD and a Torsen limited slip rear
*Independent suspension on all 4 corners
*Huge aluminum castings at the mounting points for the unibody
*Aluminum hood and other light weight and high strength materials
*5300 - 5600 pound towing capacity
*More interior space
*Off-road option
*Greater than 6500 GVWR
*Nice paint and colors
*Huge Navigation/Info screen
*Electric Steering
*Nice seats with plenty of leg room
*Center consoles is too wide imho
*Styling is far more appealing than the 4R/Lexus stuff.
*Less expensive than the 4Runner
*LED everything
*10 speed transmission

D.I. 2.3 liter turbo
300 @ 5,500 rpm
310 @ 3,500 rpm
5300 pound towing cap.
21/28 mpg RWD, 20/27 AWD

3.0 liter Twin Turbo
400 hp/ 415 lb-ft torque
18/26 mpg RWD, 18/24 AWD

3.3L Hybrid
318 @ 6,500 rpm
322 @ 2,500 rpm
27/28 mpg RWD 23/26 AWD
 
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Yet, you bought a '20 4runner... I would think you would know exactly why people buy the 4runner. I could have bought whatever I wanted even at higher price range (x5, Q7, Cayenne) or any of the American options in the 50k price range.

Yet, I bought my '21 4runner fully aware of it's outdated drivetrain and features... So, why did you? There were plenty of other options with way better drivetrain and feature in 2020.
 
once I saw the screen name...

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Real question. If you were looking for a feature rich, independent front and rear suspension, modern SUV. How the hell did you end up in a 4runner?


Like every other thread you've started on how much you dislike your 4runner, take advantage of the market and sell it. Move on.
 
I recently went to a couple Ford dealerships and Lincoln dealerships to look at the Explorer and the Aviator. I was really impressed.

The 5th Gen with its bad paint and glass, awful color selection, terrible fuel economy (19 mpg on the HWY wth ?), 1994 technology 4 wheel drive, lack of a reverse monitor, no automatic steering, I could go on and on, is sad. After seeing these Fords and Lincolns I cant see why most people would even consider a 4Runner anymore. Look out Toyota.

To be clear, the 2020-2022 Explorer and the Aviator are what TODAYS 4Runner should be NOW and the 6th Gen 4Runner must more. Who knows when or if it will even come out. I predict the new 4Runner will be a flop if it falls short of this. The 4Runner is way way behind in features compared to the other SUVs in its class. The next generation will need to be a huge leap forward to even be competitive.

If I was buying a new vehicle today I would probably buy an Explorer XLT or above. Aviators are beautiful vehicles however they are more expensive.

The Lincoln Aviator is extraordinarily nice.

https://www.lincoln.com/luxury-suvs/aviator/

The list Explorer’s feature are astounding

https://www.ford.com/suvs/explorer/

Here are some highlights:

*RWD platform with AWD and a Torsen limited slip rear
*Independent suspension on all 4 corners
*Huge aluminum castings at the mounting points for the unibody
*Aluminum hood and other light weight and high strength materials
*5300 - 5600 pound towing capacity
*More interior space
*Off-road option
*Greater than 6500 GVWR
*Nice paint and colors
*Huge Navigation/Info screen
*Electric Steering
*Nice seats with plenty of leg room
*Center consoles is too wide imho
*Styling is far more appealing than the 4R/Lexus stuff.
*Less expensive than the 4Runner
*LED everything
*10 speed transmission

D.I. 2.3 liter turbo
300 @ 5,500 rpm
310 @ 3,500 rpm
5300 pound towing cap.
21/28 mpg RWD, 20/27 AWD

3.0 liter Twin Turbo
400 hp/ 415 lb-ft torque
18/26 mpg RWD, 18/24 AWD

3.3L Hybrid
318 @ 6,500 rpm
322 @ 2,500 rpm
27/28 mpg RWD 23/26 AWD

I really like the new Explorers but in my eyes they are more of a car than a SUV due to the lower ride height, ground clearance and AWD. I wanted real 4wd and offroad mod options so I went with the Runner. The gadgets are nice but I can add what I want to my Runner. The extra power is nice but the turbos are more parts to fail and I'm not driving a race vehicle.
 
Do Jeeps have automated steering, reverse monitoring, adaptive cruise control, front collision avoidance, etc? Do you think jeep owners complain that the next-gen jeep looks just like a 2002 jeep? (These are real questions, btw)
 
Sounds good, but it's a FORD and you know what that stands for! And they tend to live up to that.
 
Have 4Runners EVER been on the bleeding edge of technology? Hell, my 2015 4Runner didn't have automatic headlights (neither does my 2019), whereas my 2005 F150 did. If anyone buys a 4Runner to have the latest tech, good fuel economy, 10-speed transmission, etc. then they are barking up the wrong tree.
 
Huh. If I were to go to a Ford dealership, only thing I would be looking at is a Bronco Squatch. None* of that cuckhold shit you mentioned matters to me. Obviously you should have purchased a Highlander or Rav4.

I want to know about diff lockers, gear options, wheel travel, RTI scores, skid plates, clearance angles, sway bar disconnects, transfer case gearing, tires

*Except engine, the T4r motor is reliable but pathetically underpowered by modern standards.
 
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I really like the new Explorers but in my eyes they are more of a car than a SUV due to the lower ride height, ground clearance and AWD. I wanted real 4wd and offroad mod options so I went with the Runner. The gadgets are nice but I can add what I want to my Runner. The extra power is nice but the turbos are more parts to fail and I'm not driving a race vehicle.


I do agree that it is more car-like than the 4Runner but with a trailer tow of 5400 pounds and a GVWR over 6500 pounds it is a truck that's for sure. It is a RWD platform and thats says a lot and one of only a couple available now. After enjoying the content my wife Acura TLX AWD has and seeing it on the Explorer/Aviator and many other SUVs in it class, the 4Runner has really shown its age and how much Toyota has ignored it. Driving on two tracks is about the extent of my off-roading like 99% of 4Runners I bet. I do use the truck to haul things often. I do like the few inches of height advantage the 4Runner has, and its commanding view, but I would gladly trade that for better fuel economy, better on-road behavior and up to date features packages.

I'm not concerned about turbo engines any longer. Ford won LeMans with their twin-turbocharged Ford EcoBoost V6 engine 647 hp / 550 lb⋅ft. It was a truck engine with significant amount of production parts in it. They know what they are doing.

I believe the Explorer/Aviator AWD system is a 4WD system unlike the fwd-car based systems.

In 2020 the Explorer was a 1st year vehicle so I didnt considered then.
 
Yet, you bought a '20 4runner... I would think you would know exactly why people buy the 4runner. I could have bought whatever I wanted even at higher price range (x5, Q7, Cayenne) or any of the American options in the 50k price range.

Yet, I bought my '21 4runner fully aware of it's outdated drivetrain and features... So, why did you? There were plenty of other options with way better drivetrain and feature in 2020.

I seriously considered the European imports as well as other Japanese manufacturers however most do not have a 6500 GVWR rating. They are all significantly more expensive. Infinity lol.

Those compare more to the highlander. A lot of 4runner owners should have bought highlanders imo...

Nope. Reread the post and check the specs. Explorer/Aviator are REAR WHEEL DRIVE PLATFORMS.

Do Jeeps have automated steering, reverse monitoring, adaptive cruise control, front collision avoidance, etc? Do you think jeep owners complain that the next-gen jeep looks just like a 2002 jeep? (These are real questions, btw)

Except for pointing out that Toyotas are generally weird looking who said anything about looks compared to years?



once I saw the screen name...


Real question. If you were looking for a feature rich, independent front and rear suspension, modern SUV. How the hell did you end up in a 4runner?

Like every other thread you've started on how much you dislike your 4runner, take advantage of the market and sell it. Move on.

ah, i should have been paying more attention. The troll of trolls.. A troll that doesn't know its a troll?

Old bumper sticker down my way.
We don’t give a s@@t how they do it in Jersey.
Or FL for that matter

Have 4Runners EVER been on the bleeding edge of technology? Hell, my 2015 4Runner didn't have automatic headlights (neither does my 2019), whereas my 2005 F150 did. If anyone buys a 4Runner to have the latest tech, good fuel economy, 10-speed transmission, etc. then they are barking up the wrong tree.
It sounds like it's time for the OP to sell his 4Runner.
Huh. If I were to go to a Ford dealership, only thing I would be looking at is a Bronco Squatch. None* of that cuckhold shit you mentioned matters to me. Obviously you should have purchased a Highlander or Rav4.
I want to know about diff lockers, gear options, wheel travel, RTI scores, skid plates, clearance angles, sway bar disconnects, transfer case gearing, tires
*Except engine, the T4r motor is reliable but pathetically underpowered by modern standards.



fan boys lol

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fan boys lol

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As much as I would love to disagree with the OP he is actually partially right. The 5th gen 4runner is a pretty terrible option for what people are looking for these days out of a modern "SUV". ie. 99% on asphalt and MAYBE 1% on graded dirt roads. This includes all of those fancy Instagram "Overlanders" :love:

Just about any other option out there in the mid sized SUV land has better tech, is more efficient, is faster and is way more comfortable. The 4runner is only good as an offroad biased platform but the majority of owners tragically don't use it for that. They buy it for the image and suffer through its shortcomings.

So to the OP, go get your Ford Explorer it suits you much better. I mean police departments, municipalities, rental fleets all love them. Go do you
 
fan boys lol

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By fan boys you mean...people who bought a 4Runner without expecting it to be something it's not?

Can't wait for the next thread:

"I can't believe how slow the 4Runner is, look at the powertrains on the Urus and Cayenne Turbo! Wake up Toyota!"
 

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