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I feel I'm being specific enough? This is a thread for suggestions.
I'm personally of the opinion it's unprofessional for moderators to start threads that will obviously produce unfriendly debate, ie politics, abortion, etc. Not that they should not participate, but initiating a topic with a decided bias is just simply improper. Abuse of power is totally subjective as well. If the moderator is with side "A" those of same side won't call it out and the moderator wouldn't admit it.
I'm fine with anyone disagreeing with my opinion, although I find it hard to believe I'm alone on it. No biggie either way.
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12-11-2013, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ndcent
I feel I'm being specific enough? This is a thread for suggestions.
I'm personally of the opinion it's unprofessional for moderators to start threads that will obviously produce unfriendly debate, ie politics, abortion, etc. Not that they should not participate, but initiating a topic with a decided bias is just simply improper. Abuse of power is totally subjective as well. If the moderator is with side "A" those of same side won't call it out and the moderator wouldn't admit it.
I'm fine with anyone disagreeing with my opinion, although I find it hard to believe I'm alone on it. No biggie either way.
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Moderators are people, just like you and I. They are going to have opinions on all kinds of matters. You are free to agree, disagree, or ignore. We all put our pants on one leg at a time. You only have to tip your hat when you violate the rules and even then, its up to you if you want to push the envelope and risk the consequences of being banned.
I'm actually more irritated at the forums that act like mods are gods and above all else... it's like they forgot who generates their traffic. I'm active in a handful of forums under this screen name and others. The other forum I visit the most has gotten ridiculous. I've been on there for years and lately the mods have come down so hard on simple stupid stuff with other members that I've have knock-down drag-out arguments with them on the other user's behalf, but they won't ban me because they know I'm right. The only reason I still hang around there is to help others with matters I'm very versed in.
As far as professionalism goes, this is not a typical place of business. They aren't selling you anything and in a lot of cases make just enough to stay running. This is a discussion forum and we discuss things. I'm thankful that T4R allows us to discuss things that are frowned upon in other forums. This is "freedom" within reason.
People come and go on forums and are totally free to stop participating or to just avoid the topics they don't want to hear about. You can ignore members too if you are so inclined.
I am actually impressed at how "open" the O/T section is and welcome the discussions on a wide range of topics. Mods are very responsive when things go off the rails or violate the rules.
If you want to join a forum where censorship is abound and they delete discussions on sensitive issues and politics, PM me and I'll send you a few links.
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12-11-2013, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ndcent
I feel I'm being specific enough? This is a thread for suggestions.
I'm personally of the opinion it's unprofessional for moderators to start threads that will obviously produce unfriendly debate, ie politics, abortion, etc. Not that they should not participate, but initiating a topic with a decided bias is just simply improper. Abuse of power is totally subjective as well. If the moderator is with side "A" those of same side won't call it out and the moderator wouldn't admit it.
I'm fine with anyone disagreeing with my opinion, although I find it hard to believe I'm alone on it. No biggie either way.
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Originally Posted by bofa
Moderators are people, just like you and I. They are going to have opinions on all kinds of matters. You are free to agree, disagree, or ignore. We all put our pants on one leg at a time. You only have to tip your hat when you violate the rules and even then, its up to you if you want to push the envelope and risk the consequences of being banned.
I'm actually more irritated at the forums that act like mods are gods and above all else... it's like they forgot who generates their traffic. I'm active in a handful of forums under this screen name and others. The other forum I visit the most has gotten ridiculous. I've been on there for years and lately the mods have come down so hard on simple stupid stuff with other members that I've have knock-down drag-out arguments with them on the other user's behalf, but they won't ban me because they know I'm right. The only reason I still hang around there is to help others with matters I'm very versed in.
As far as professionalism goes, this is not a typical place of business. They aren't selling you anything and in a lot of cases make just enough to stay running. This is a discussion forum and we discuss things. I'm thankful that T4R allows us to discuss things that are frowned upon in other forums. This is "freedom" within reason.
People come and go on forums and are totally free to stop participating or to just avoid the topics they don't want to hear about. You can ignore members too if you are so inclined.
I am actually impressed at how "open" the O/T section is and welcome the discussions on a wide range of topics. Mods are very responsive when things go off the rails or violate the rules.
If you want to join a forum where censorship is abound and they delete discussions on sensitive issues and politics, PM me and I'll send you a few links.
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There's not much I agree with
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12-11-2013, 12:00 PM
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If you're just speaking in general as to how you feel a moderator should act then fine. I agree that mods need to carry themselves to a standard that should be accordingly with the responsibility.
But what it sounds like, is that you've got an axe to grind. If not then great. That's just how the post came across. If you do, then by all means, call them to the carpet and lets have us a witch trial and stop beating around the bush. There have been highly opinionated moderators in the past that have lost their position for whatever reason. If some moderator is acting unfitting, then by all means, let's get them squared away.
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12-11-2013, 12:07 PM
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No axe grinding here. Just generic suggestions for improvement.
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12-11-2013, 12:08 PM
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But what it sounds like, is that you've got an axe to grind.
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Agree... I'm wondering what thread generated his concern. The only one I see that SV started recently was about the gun issues in NYC, and that thread is relatively tame compared to other debates we've had.
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12-11-2013, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by RunninInGA
That said, we've already been given the freedom to chose which thread(s) we read and reply to - limiting this ability would be counterproductive in the long-term and wouldn't foster the openness the O/T section allows.
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I agree with you here which is a fairly rare occurrence. As I've been told more than once in the OT forum, nobody forces anyone to enter it or a discussion. If someone doesn't like it they don't need to go there. Personally I like the heated discussions until they get so far off track they devolve into foolishness which is when a moderator should step in.
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12-11-2013, 12:17 PM
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I agree with you here which is a fairly rare occurrence. As I've been told more than once in the OT forum, nobody forces anyone to enter it or a discussion. If someone doesn't like it they don't need to go there. Personally I like the heated discussions until they get so far off track they devolve into foolishness which is when a moderator should step in.
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12-11-2013, 12:20 PM
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There's not much I agree with
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I agree with you here which is a fairly rare occurrence...
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See, another win or two for controversy.
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12-11-2013, 12:21 PM
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Just getting in the holiday spirit, peace on earth and all that crap!
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Personally I like the heated discussions until @ starts posting which is when a moderator should step in.
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12-11-2013, 12:35 PM
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For what it's worth, us moderators do quite a bit to help make this forum better. See the first post of this thread for proof. We all take time out of our day to improve the forum when we could be doing something else. We don't get paid, we rarely get any recognition (not that we ask or look for it) but one thing we always get is a finger pointed at us at any sign of trouble. I understand why and I'm ok with it. We don't follow a special set of rules, we follow the same rules as everyone else. If one of us mods get close to stepping on the rules we are yanked back by fellow mods and put back in line. As bofa said, we are still members of the forum like everyone else. We shouldn't have to stop ourselves from posting anything unless it violates the very same rules that we enforce.
At least we're in the right thread for this though. If there are issues please feel free to continue bringing them up and we will do what we can to fix it or make things better.
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How to make this site better?
I always enforce civil discussions on this forum. It's very easy to get banned here because we don't take much BS on this forum.
That being said, I go crazy on Tacomaworld because they just slap your wrist and let you back on in a day or two.
I keep a level head here and I expect everyone else to. None of us mods abuse our power, and if any of us did, I'm sure the rest of us would stand up and knock him back into line, or revoke the mod status because they can't handle the "power". Just because I can ban you from this forum doesn't mean I'm going to. Just because I ban you doesn't mean the other mods can't raise a red flag and have me scolded and have admin unban them.
We are your friends. We are your peers. We are here to make sure this forum continues on as smoothly as possible! Respect us, respect your forum brethren, and we won't have any issues! Cause issues, and you'll be squashed.
Alright, I have to say it, I can't help it.... Big Brother is watching you!
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12-11-2013, 12:54 PM
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I always enforce civil discussions on this forum. It's very easy to get banned here because we don't take much BS on this forum.
That being said, I go crazy on Tacomaworld because they just slap your wrist and let you back on in a day or two.
I keep a level head here and I expect everyone else to. None of us mods abuse our power, and if any of us did, I'm sure the rest of us would stand up and knock him back into line, or revoke the mod status because they can't handle the "power". Just because I can ban you from this forum doesn't mean I'm going to. Just because I ban you doesn't mean the other mods can't raise a red flag and have me scolded and have admin unban them.
We are your friends. We are your peers. We are here to make sure this forum continues on as smoothly as possible! Respect us, respect your forum brethren, and we won't have any issues! Cause issues, and you'll be squashed.
Alright, I have to say it, I can't help it.... Big Brother is watching you!
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12-11-2013, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SV_Dude
We all take time out of our day to improve the forum when we could be doing something else. We don't get paid, we rarely get any recognition (not that we ask or look for it) but one thing we always get is a finger pointed at us at any sign of trouble. I understand why and I'm ok with it.
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Having been an admin/moderator I can verify that it can be a thankless position and thank all the mods for what you do here.
(except the one who gave me the infraction!)
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