03 JBL Synthesis ?'s...

jjcobra99

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I've noticed since day 1 with this system that my front speakers are a lot louder than the rear speakers, and 99% of my bass seems to come from the front doors. It sounds very weak when I turn the fader to the rear. Is this normal? According to what I've read there is a subwoofer with this system (that I assume is in the rear cargo area). Is there an amp that runs the rear speakers and/or sub? And can you adjust the subwoofer level or something? My bass just seems really weak unless I turn the bass level all the way up, or most of the way up.

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Well, I found the discussion of this topic on tundrasolutions.com. Seems a LOT of 03 owners have this problem. You all might want to check it out too. This sucks! :(
 
I notice the same thing, but if I sit in the back seat then it seems like everything is fine from that perspective. I usually just have the fader toward the back by 1 point over normal.
 
I was just playing with it again. IMO, there's no way that it's normal. When the fader is set to center, the fronts drown everything out, including the sub. From what I gather on the other board, not all the systems have that problem. I think it may only be the ones that say JBL and RDS on the head unit. Sure hope they come up with a fix for it!
 
Part I

JJcobra,

Ok, let me get a try at answering your question. My response is ONLY correct IF your JBL system is calibrated right...otherwise, disregard my response.

Most appropriately calibrated sound system will have the front speakers being dominant over the rear speakers. The rear speakers are for "rear fill" (or ambience) only...they are NOT meant to be primary speakers for the rear passengers. Therefore, most amplified power goes to the front speakers, with less going to the rear speakers.

Mark Levinson does this...and i assume JBL does it too...both have same mother company (Harman Kardon). If you ask any aftermarket car audiophile, you will get the same answer...in fact, many do NOT even use rear speakers! Rear speakers can destroy the sound field. Why?? Well, do you listen to a concert with your back turned to the singer?? No. The singer is in front of you...therefore, that is how a good system should sound.

In your 4Runner (and most other cars with good sound system), the rear passenger should STILL hear most sound from the FRONT speakers, NOT the rear speakers! The rear speakers are mainly to provide "ambience".

Continue on Part II....
 
Part II:

Very (emphasis, VERY) few cars (example: VW cars) have tweeters in the rear doors. It is just not good practice to put tweeters in the rear doors. It destroys the sound field, because the front passenger will hear too much high frequency sound from behind the head (again, it seems like you're turning your back on the concert).

The ONLY time where having tweeters in the rear is appropriate is when you plan to play DVD movies on your navigation system or rear-entertainment system (example: GX470, which has tweeters on the rear CARGO door.)

Just remember, a music audiophile is NOT the same as a home theater audiophile. Different requirements. Music audiophile wants all the sound coming from the front speakers (front stage). Theater audiophile wants surround sound with small speakers placed everywhere.

In addition, most cars have bigger speakers up front than rear. Why?? For the same above reasons. The front speakers have to produce all the important notes. The rear speakers provide ambience.

Continue on Part III....
 
Part III:

In your 4runner (2003) JBL system, you have a 6x9 woofer and 0.75" tweeters in the front. You also have a tweeter on top of your dash (to provide a center channel). The rear door speakers are around 6.5" and they are coaxial (woofer + tweeter combined together). The cargo area has a 6.5" woofer in an enclosure which acts like a mini-subwoofer.

The 6x9 woofer in the front can produce a lot of bass. In general, 6x9 size speaker provides more bass than a round 6.5" speaker. However, it is not as efficient as a round speaker and not as clean sounding. However, again, it can provide more bass. In the 4Runner, this is why you hear most bass up front...thanks to your 6x9 speakers.

The rear speakers are for rear fill only...thus, you don't hear much from them.

The 6.5" subwoofer in the cargo area provide adequate bass for the REAR passenger. It is NOT meant to provide pounding bass to the front passenger. Why?? Because, the front passenger ALREADY has a good bass-producing speaker (6x9 woofers). Since the rear passenger is far from the front speakers, some bass will not be strong enough to reach them...so the rear cargo subwoofer makes up the difference.

BTW, the 6.5" subwoofer in the cargo area is tiny when compared to aftermarket stuff. But, as described above, it is not meant to provide pounding bass that can be heard 10 cars away!

The above setup by JBL is similar to most other quality factory sound system (Infinity, Mark Levinson, BOSE, Harmon kardon). In the Lexus GX470, Mark Levinson engineers further clarify the sound up front by adding a mid-range speaker (2.5"). This leaves the bass to the 6x9 speakers and high-frequency to the tweeter...everything else (mainly, vocals) is handled by the midrange speaker. Therefore, clarity is improved.

NOTE: the above discussion is ONLY valid if your JBL system is OK.

Hope this helps.
 
Hey all,

For those with 3rd gen 4runners, the above concept also applies. The system in 3rd gen is calibrated in a similar manner. The front speakers consist of 6.5" woofer and 1" tweeter. The rear speakers are about 4.75-5.25" and they are coaxial in design. No subwoofer. There is a small separate amplifier to the headunit...it is located behind the headunit. I do not know the power rating...no one seems to know. But, if i were to guess, it has probably 150 watts total max power, which is on par with BOSE systems of Pathfinder/QX4.
 
Thai, I agree with what you said. However, I believe that my system is operating WAY below where it should be. I have almost nothing from my rears. I have to turn the volume to MAX to get even a decent sound level in the rear seats. As soon as you even start to fade in the fronts, it drowns out everything from the rear. I know that the fronts should be dominant, but at the sound level that my rears are playing, they should have just left them out and saved some money if that's how it's supposed to be. (No bashing intended, just trying to figure out what's up with the system.)
 
Jjcobra,

If that is the case, then you should definitely take your 4Runner in to have it fixed.

Like i said, my above discussion assumes you have a normal system....

Good luck!
 
jjcobra:

FWIW, I sat in a new 4runner last week with the JBL disc changer RDS system and played with the stereo. My impressions of it were almost exactly what you have described. Virtually no fill sound coming from the rear unless the fader was jacked way back. Then the sound in front fell to nothing. No bass in front unless it is jacked way up, also.

Sorry folks, the stereo has really nice features, but imo, the sound really sucks. Especially for 800+ bucks. Give me the stock stereo with steering wheel controls. This way, if the sound stinks, at least I know i didn't pay extra for it.
 
Yeah, I forgot to mention that Swaro. Thanks for reminding me. I have my bass set to +5 (max) to get halfway decent bass. Just for comparison purposes, the basic system in the Jeep Grand Cherokee I traded in sounded 100% better than what this 4runner does.
 
Yep: I understand the sound stage concept, but if the fader on this unit is left at equal position, it sounds like all the sound is coming from that tinny speaker in the middle of the dash. The only way to get "full" sound is to jack the volume WAY up. It's obviously the JBL stereo for the hair swinging, head banging crowd. I like my music most often at LOWER volumes, but want it to sound good at those lower levels. My 8 year old stock Audi low power system SOUNDS way better than this thing. Raw blasting power is not where it's at.

Don't want to be a whiner, but maybe the truth will improve things TOYOTA! JBL's always sucked imo. Tried listening to them in the 70's.
 
From my experience with Toyota's JBL systems, i think they are very variable in the quality of sound. For example, i thought the JBL system in Highlander totally sucked! It sounds worst than my '02 4Runner stock system! (That is kinda sad for a brand-name system.) The JBL in Camry actually sounds good, if you adjust it right. The system in Land Cruiser is also pretty good...the later models.

Swaro, if you're looking for more quality, i think you need to shell out more $$$ for the Lexus GX with it's Mark Levinson system.;)
 
Maybe, Thai. But I would think an additional 6 to 800 should take care of that! They've just put too much emphasis on high power/volume cranking ability, and too little on the sound quality at normal(reasonable) listening levels. Maybe it was that particular vehicle as you say, but I've noticed the same thing on 2 or 3 vehicles. Of course, I'll take the sound from a tube amp over a transistor amp any day! And, for you youngsters out there, vinyl sounds better than cd. Just ask any of the super esoteric audiophiles out there!
 

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