14 TE Premium KDSS lean fix

[corcoran]

Hi all, just a quick update, in October I bought my 14 TE premium with KDSS soon I took it home I notice a lean to the passenger side (right side) was noticeable, I took it to three separate dealer including Longo toyota where the vehicle was bought to have it check out, the reginal service director who goto Longo every Wednesday and Thursday said the lean is with in Toyota's tolerance of 7/8 of an inch. With my vehicle it was only leaning 5/8 of an inch both front and rear, Toyota refused to to any service or a my recalibration to KDSS. The other smaller dealer has no idea and said they need to contact the reginal service manager to discuss of the problem.

Thanks to all the friends that reply to my concern on my earlier post of the KDSS lean, I was able to purchase a rear spacer from toytec (10mm), which I installed yesterday and to my surprise the lean is pretty much gone, by looking at the vehicle from the rear it sets level and when I took the measurement the front different kn the front wheel is only 1/8 of an inch difference (right side) higher and same as rear( this is with full gas tank) I'm very happy of the out come of a very simple fix to the problem that Toyota simply just avoid to address. And also I noticed while I'm driving I the steering wheel is leveled not like when was leaning to the right the steering wheel has to trun slightly to the left, I don't know why this was ocurring but it's all good.

I'm not planing to do any lifting, maybe upgrade the shock and tires is the future.

This is just a quick update to share to all, have a wonderful holidays.

Sorry I don't have any picture to show for I'm still try to figure out how to post pictures from my iPhone.

 

[BTLAW]

Just to be clear, you installed only a rear spacer and nothing up front?

 

[corcoran]

Yes, just the rear. I bought the front spacer as well (1/4") but I thought just to install the rear first because the rear is easier and don't have to mess with complicated front and alignment. And the end result was just what I was looking for.

 

[BTLAW]

I just finished installing the OME 10mm spacer from Toytec. Just like Corcoran's results, my rear is dead level and the passenger side front is 1/8 inch higher. Install took less than an hour. Definitely a DIY project.

 

[Gabex35]

Wrong thread lol

 

[THEROK]

Suspensions shift all the time. If it's within factory margins, I'd much rather keep it spacer free than band-aiding it with an aftermarket part. It's not at all a problem.

But I can see how someone that's super anal-retentive may be bothered. Your 4r looks great with the Methods.

 

[Pitbull11]

Is that a common problem in all TE KDSS 4R?

 

[BTLAW]

It sure is. In fact it's a problem in virtually all Toyota/Lexus kdss equipped vehicles. In other countries, Toyota did a fix involving spacers on Toyota Prados. So the OME spacer is in line with the Toyota solution.

 

[05Rrunner]

Yes, just the rear. I bought the front spacer as well (1/4") but I thought just to install the rear first because the rear is easier and don't have to mess with complicated front and alignment. And the end result was just what I was looking for.

What side in the rear?

 

[corcoran]

The passenger side.

 

[THEROK]

It sure is. In fact it's a problem in virtually all Toyota/Lexus kdss equipped vehicles.

Wrong. Don't contribute please to internet trash.

 

[BTLAW]

Wrong. Don't contribute please to internet trash.

I'm not saying it's a problem with every single vehicle, but KDSS tends to lean to one side or the other. Please see Prado and Lexus GX forums. In any event, the OME fix worked for me and I'm just sharing my experience.

 

[THEROK]

I'm not saying it's a problem with every single vehicle, but KDSS tends to lean to one side or the other. Please see Prado and Lexus GX forums. In any event, the OME fix worked for me and I'm just sharing my experience.

I know what you're a doing but calling it based on Internet forums is just a bit too much amateur hour in my books.

No vehicle suspension, even body work, has perfect symmetry from factory. That's why there are tolerances built in. I personally would never add a spacer on one corner to offset a half inch lean. But hey not my truck.

Just wanted to make note that to call kdss and this so called lean a fault of some kind is bollocks. Kdss is amazing stuff.

 

[05Rrunner]

I know what you're a doing but calling it based on Internet forums is just a bit too much amateur hour in my books.

No vehicle suspension, even body work, has perfect symmetry from factory. That's why there are tolerances built in. I personally would never add a spacer on one corner to offset a half inch lean. But hey not my truck.

Just wanted to make note that to call kdss and this so called lean a fault of some kind is bollocks. Kdss is amazing stuff.

KDSS can be amazing stuff and still have a inherent flaw that most can live with.It is not unreasonable for a person to expect a new vehicle to sit level side to side, and the prado,lexus,trail lean problems are well documented.All Those people are not just to picky.with the number of complaints on the internet it is well documented that this is a on going problem that has been determined to be "ok as is" but not every person see's it that way. It is what it is , but the customer is just trying to understand why his/ her new trucks leans while all other cars and trucks they have owned did not. Seems reasonable to me.

 

[BTLAW]

I know what you're a doing but calling it based on Internet forums is just a bit too much amateur hour in my books.

No vehicle suspension, even body work, has perfect symmetry from factory. That's why there are tolerances built in. I personally would never add a spacer on one corner to offset a half inch lean. But hey not my truck.

Just wanted to make note that to call kdss and this so called lean a fault of some kind is bollocks. Kdss is amazing stuff.

Unfortunately, internet forums are all we have to go by. There is no published case study on this issue that I am aware of. However, please correct me if I am wrong.

I am certainly not downplaying what KDSS has to offer. However, it does seem to have an inherent characteristic of causing a vehicle to lean one way or the other. This particular thread was started for those of us that are bothered by said characteristic.

 

[THEROK]

KDSS can be amazing stuff and still have a inherent flaw that most can live with.It is not unreasonable for a person to expect a new vehicle to sit level side to side, and the prado,lexus,trail lean problems are well documented.All Those people are not just to picky.with the number of complaints on the internet it is well documented that this is a on going problem that has been determined to be "ok as is" but not every person see's it that way. It is what it is , but the customer is just trying to understand why his/ her new trucks leans while all other cars and trucks they have owned did not. Seems reasonable to me.

Kdss is not flawed.

 

[giogen5]

After installing the 10mm toytec spacer on your rear passenger side have you noticed any differences in road handling and comfort?

 

[E-ROCKER]

It sure is. In fact it's a problem in virtually all Toyota/Lexus kdss equipped vehicles. In other countries, Toyota did a fix involving spacers on Toyota Prados. So the OME spacer is in line with the Toyota solution.

This is completely wrong to say the lean is associated with KDSS. Google FJ Taco lean and see what pops up. Go on tacomaworld.com and search "taco lean". You will see tons of threads about it and Tacoma's do not have KDSS. Go search Fjcruiserforums.com and you will find the facts there as well, FJ's do not have KDSS. Don't feel like searching? Here is a link to just 1 thread. http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/foru...15623-why-does-my-fj-lean-towards-1-side.html

Please stop spreading mis-information!

 

[BTLAW]

Did you read the FJ and other threads? The FJ's and other non-KDSS platforms have a driver's side lean. The KDSS equipped vehicles have a passenger side lean. I would encourage you to research some forums that deal with KDSS equipped vehicles if you're truly interested. Some examples being the Toyota Prado or Lexus GX.

On a side note, why are you so angry over a post on a discussion forum? Lighten up, life's too short.

This is completely wrong to say the lean is associated with KDSS. Google FJ Taco lean and see what pops up. Go on tacomaworld.com and search "taco lean". You will see tons of threads about it and Tacoma's do not have KDSS. Go search Fjcruiserforums.com and you will find the facts there as well, FJ's do not have KDSS. Don't feel like searching? Here is a link to just 1 thread. why does my FJ lean towards 1 side? - Toyota FJ Cruiser Forum

Please stop spreading mis-information!

 

[E-ROCKER]

Did you read the FJ and other threads? The FJ's and other non-KDSS platforms have a driver's side lean. The KDSS equipped vehicles have a passenger side lean. I would encourage you to research some forums that deal with KDSS equipped vehicles if you're truly interested. Some examples being the Toyota Prado or Lexus GX.

On a side note, why are you so angry over a post on a discussion forum? Lighten up, life's too short.

Not sure how I sound angry in a post stating facts, I was not insulting in any way. I have read countless threads regarding all of this and have discussed it in person "not on the internet forums" with many different people.
The lean has been discussed for ever, that is the point I was trying to make "in my non-angry voice"!

Regardless of what direction the vehicle is leaning towards, "yes" you are correct. The Toyota's/Lexus's equiped with KDSS lean the opisite way than vehicles non-equiped with KDSS.