1999 3RZ Misfire Codes P0300, P0303 NEED HELP

[SDsurfx]

Howdy y’all,
Got a 99 4Runner, 2WD, 3RZ, 5-speed with 303,000 on the odometer. I’m getting P0300 and P0303 codes about once a week. Spark plugs are NGK BKR5EIX with about 3500 miles on them with NGK wires (same mileage). I pulled the #3 spark plug and compared it to the #2 plug in the pics below. Good #2 on left in the socket, bad #3 on the right. The #2 looks a bit blacker on the ground electrode. Both plug gaps matched @ .032”. Since the plugs/wires are nearly new I’m thinking it could be a fuel injector issue. Any ideas?

Other info: fires right up, 19mpg mixed, 23 hwy, good throttle response, no lack of power (for a 3rz anyway...). It idles rough @ 600 rpm once warmed up, which increases engine and shifter vibrations (I’m guessing due to misfire). I went ahead and swapped #2 and 3 plugs to see if it follows the plug to rule that out, need to test drive it and check.

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[gamefreakgc]

I agree, that plug is very sooty, especially on the insulator. That would indicate it is running rich.

 

[SDsurfx]

So the same CEL, P0300, P0303 codes came back today. It did not follow the plug, so I’m going to check the plug wire, and I f that’s good I guess it’s gotta be the fuel injector. If it sooty would that indicate an injector that’s leaking or maybe stuck open?

 

[Kanoe]

When talking 3RZ and running funny it is important to know if you valve clearances have been checked. Not to say this is causing your issue, but when have they last been checked?

FYI- I have had the best luck with the Denso copper plugs from the dealer for a couple of dollars each.

 

[SDsurfx]

When talking 3RZ and running funny it is important to know if you valve clearances have been checked. Not to say this is causing your issue, but when have they last been checked?

FYI- I have had the best luck with the Denso copper plugs from the dealer for a couple of dollars each.

Who knows if the valves have ever been checked. All the carfax maintenance stuff was tires, alignments, oil, maybe a clutch. I watched Timmy’s video of the valve adjustment and I think I can tackle that. May as well do a compression test, too.

I feel like I can smell fuel in the exhaust, though.

 

[gamefreakgc]

So the same CEL, P0300, P0303 codes came back today. It did not follow the plug, so I’m going to check the plug wire, and I f that’s good I guess it’s gotta be the fuel injector. If it sooty would that indicate an injector that’s leaking or maybe stuck open?

Very possible. One thing you can check without removing the injectors is to just unclip them and measure the resistance in ohms on the injectors themselves (unclip the wire connectors). See if any of them are out of spec, especially on cylinder 3.

 

[SDsurfx]

So got me some GB reman injectors from Rock Auto. Good news, they’re IDENTICAL to the ones I pulled out. Man they look rough @ 303,000 miles. Ironically the worst looking ones are in cylinders that are running fine.

New question: new injector on L, old on R.
Is there something left in the head when I pulled the injectors, because the new ones have a grommet on the bottom.
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Edit: NM. Got it sorted out. 4 x new injectors installed, ran @ idle, no leaks. Quick trip out and back, still tight. Updates later on how it runs on the highway.

 

[SDsurfx]

So a quick trip out in town revealed the PROBLEM IS NOT SOLVED. In less than 5 miles if driving got a flashing CEL, followed be steady CEL and P0303 codes again. Still rough idle and all that. Gonna grab a multi-meter and test the plug wires.

 

[Kanoe]

You might get lucky with the plug wires, I hope so.

Very likely you have an exhaust valve that is too tight on that cylinder. It is a VERY common thing on the 3rz. The valves need adjustment periodically. People seem to recommend every 100,000 miles. Google Tacoma sites for a ton of threads. Not mentioned much here because few of us have 3rzs and it doesn't seem to be a v6 issue.

If you can't say for certain when they were last done, stop driving the truck before you damage the valve and head. It is relatively easy to just check, measure and record the clearances. I might be wrong but at least then you will know where you stand. Do not blindly keep driving it, you could cook the head.

FYI- mine had a valve out of spec at 100,000 miles. I adjusted about 8 in total to get everything centred again. And of interest, I have yet to find a 3rz in a junkyard with the head on it because people burn up the originals then need a replacement. Check soon.

 

[SDsurfx]

You might get lucky with the plug wires, I hope so.

Very likely you have an exhaust valve that is too tight on that cylinder. It is a VERY common thing on the 3rz. The valves need adjustment periodically. People seem to recommend every 100,000 miles. Google Tacoma sites for a ton of threads. Not mentioned much here because few of us have 3rzs and it doesn't seem to be a v6 issue.

If you can't say for certain when they were last done, stop driving the truck before you damage the valve and head. It is relatively easy to just check, measure and record the clearances. I might be wrong but at least then you will know where you stand. Do not blindly keep driving it, you could cook the head.

FYI- mine had a valve out of spec at 100,000 miles. I adjusted about 8 in total to get everything centred again. And of interest, I have yet to find a 3rz in a junkyard with the head on it because people burn up the originals then need a replacement. Check soon.

Unfortunately I don’t have leads for my multimeter long enough to test the plug wires. That boot is about 6” deep. They’re only 6 months old, so I think I can rule them out. Going to check the resistance on the ignition coils tomorrow.

I might have a shop do the valve adjustment for me.

 

[MaineRunna]

Do a compression test. If cylinder 3 is low do a leak down test to find out why. You put compressed air into the cylinder with both valve shut to see where it leaks out. Exhaust pipe=exhaust valve, into the intake=intake valve, out the dipstick tube or crankcase breather=worn rings. As the valves wear into the seats they travel further up into the head and take up all the valve clearance at the rocker arm so they don't close all the way. You may just need a valve adjustment, but with that kind of mileage you might need a valve job or an engine rebuild.

 

[Kanoe]

Unfortunately I don’t have leads for my multimeter long enough to test the plug wires. That boot is about 6” deep.

Try a screwdriver or long nail/spike. That'll make the inside contact.

Checking valves can be comfortably done in a day on the 3rz. I love this motor for working on. Adjusting (if needed) is considerably more painful with the need to calculate and order shims, especially if you can't leave it apart while you wait for the parts to arrive.

Like MaineRunna mentioned, the compression test will indicate a leak if that is the issue.

 

[SDsurfx]

You might get lucky with the plug wires, I hope so.

Very likely you have an exhaust valve that is too tight on that cylinder. It is a VERY common thing on the 3rz. The valves need adjustment periodically. People seem to recommend every 100,000 miles. Google Tacoma sites for a ton of threads. Not mentioned much here because few of us have 3rzs and it doesn't seem to be a v6 issue.

If you can't say for certain when they were last done, stop driving the truck before you damage the valve and head. It is relatively easy to just check, measure and record the clearances. I might be wrong but at least then you will know where you stand. Do not blindly keep driving it, you could cook the head.

FYI- mine had a valve out of spec at 100,000 miles. I adjusted about 8 in total to get everything centred again. And of interest, I have yet to find a 3rz in a junkyard with the head on it because people burn up the originals then need a replacement. Check soon.

Got a quote for a valve adjustment and new valve cover gasket for $400, I think I’m gonna do it this week.

 

[Kanoe]

That price seems in line with what I was quoted here in Canada ($5-600). I did mine myself eventually, but it requires quite a bit of downtime to order new shims. Hopefully that resolves it but at least it will buy you the peace of mind for the next 100,000.

See if they will record before and after measurements as well as thicknesses of any shims they touch. This will save a heap of work next time.

 

[SDsurfx]

Took it in for the valve adjustment. They ran a compression test first just to see what’s going on:
1- 180 psi
2- 180 psi
3- 80 psi
4- 180 psi

Doing a leak down test tomorrow to see if it’s valves or piston rings.

 

[SDsurfx]

Final reply, mostly in case someone has this problem in the future.

Leak down test indicates cylinder #3 intake valves are leaking. It needs to have the cylinder head removed and sent into a machine shop for a valve job. The shop actually recommended NOT doing this, as something will likely soon go wrong in the bottom end @ 300,000+ miles, and it would be a wasted investment.

Gonna keep driving it as is and start looking for another 4Runner. Thanks for the help y’all.

 

[davidch]

Consider this: obtain two of the thinnest valve shims, the 2.50mm size. Install those in the #3 exhaust. These shims will guarantee you have clearance and that those valves are fully closed. Absolutely don't start the engine with the engine, as they might pop out, but I'm sure they'd stay in at cranking speeds.

Re-run the compression test. If the psi rating climbs back to match the others, you may have the situation where those valves were at or just a hair under zero clearance, and the valves havn't burned yet.


Then, get all the valves adjusted properly.

 

[Kanoe]

Leak down test indicates cylinder #3 intake valves are leaking. It needs to have the cylinder head removed and sent into a machine shop for a valve job. The shop actually recommended NOT doing this, as something will likely soon go wrong in the bottom end @ 300,000+ miles, and it would be a wasted investment.

How do you know it needs a valve job? You still have not checked your valve clearances. A $10 dollar shim MAY be all you need to get it running right again. Especially if it is an intake valve, maybe it's not cooked. It hasn't been doing it long you say.

Park that thing and crack it open and check your valves! It'll take you less time than you spent on the injectors. Don't ruin a 3rz. This is craziness, madness, insanity. Trash an engine rather service it? It's not a difficult procedure, what have you got to loose?

 

[MaineRunna]

Took it in for the valve adjustment. They ran a compression test first just to see what’s going on:
1- 180 psi
2- 180 psi
3- 80 psi
4- 180 psi

Doing a leak down test tomorrow to see if it’s valves or piston rings.

Look at your other three cylinder's compression, your engine is still strong! Get the valves adjusted or or the head rebuilt, Toyota bottom ends last forever if taken care of. This isn't some old big three small block, it's a Toyota engine. I gotta say it, I saw a guy years ago put rebuilt heads on a 70 Buick 455 and it smoked like a bastard and oil literally poured out of the tail pipes, but it had 155k on it and the rings were cooked, which is like a fuel injected Toyota having a having 4-500k on it. If you were running strong and not using oil and don't have other major problems, get it fixed.

 

[SDsurfx]

Got a ton of time off starting next week. I already have the valve feeler gauges. Gonna give the valve adjustment a try. Just sucks that I’ll have to crack it open twice to complete the job, but good point guys. I can measure one day, order all the parts and finish fit a few days later when I get the shims in. No dealer seems to stock them.

The shop kinda made me feel like it was a lost cause. I also found a machine shop in town, maybe I can just have the head checked out. Found another thread where a guy did it all for less than $500.

Thanks for getting me back in the fight on this!