199mm brakes

giovannie23

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I been searching and reading but can't find anybody with a solid review of these brakes I know there discontinued but I need some better brakes..
I recently changed my rotors /pads with stock that was a waste , I can still smell my rotors overheating while descending steep trails
Should I get 199 or wait to find some different wheels for cheap ( trying to avoid wheel spacers) to fit the 231 what's your guys experience?
 
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wait and do the tundra upgrade. 16 inch 5 star wheels fit fine with the 231's. those were original on my truck until i got 2014 17 inch wheels. do it right and do it once.
 
I been searching and reading but can't find anybody with a solid review of these brakes I know there discontinued but I need some better brakes..
I recently changed my rotors /pads with stock that was a waste , I can still smell my rotors overheating while descending steep trails
Should I get 199 or wait to find some different wheels for cheap ( trying to avoid wheel spacers) to fit the 231 what's your guys experience?

I would rather have some 231's with spacers than 199's and no spacers.
 
You can put 231s on your rims with a tad bit of grinding on the caliper (very, very little bit, just rounding some edges off) and a bit more grinding on the rims. Don't forget to do the spare!

Thanks to BigFishAllDay and his post
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...ements-231mm-13wl-tundra-calipers-rotors.html

And Driffter33 for doing a majority of the work on the brake job.

I have family visiting in town currently, but next Tuesday I could take the front wheel off and snap some shots of my setup for reference or sooner if I get a flat.
 
I have the 199's and when I drove [MENTION=82154]GSPRunner[/MENTION]'s 4Runner with 231s it was the first thing I noticed. Those things felt strong.
 
My wife's 00 runs 231s with no spacers. I have a 97 and got the cheap $17 1/4" spacers from Oreilleys and it works perfect.

Just get spacers.
 
My wife's 00 runs 231s with no spacers. I have a 97 and got the cheap $17 1/4" spacers from Oreilleys and it works perfect.

Just get spacers.

Wheel spacers are one thing I wouldn't go cost efficient on. They're fairly mission critical pieces. 231's are a no brainer.
 
Same dilemma last year...

I wanted to do the 231mm TBU since I bought my truck in 2012, as I tow. I had all the same questions as you and considered the 199mm. The 199mm calipers are basically the same size as the OEM, except with much heavier rotors, which will prevent warping and fade. Considering the costs, I wanted a significant improvement in braking capacity, therefore, I waited till the opportunity to acquire the parts cheap and/or when I needed a brake job. I considered spacers, but I just wasn't crazy about the idea, with the documented failures. I didn't go for the 1/4" spacers --- see my post: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...wl-tundra-calipers-rotors-50.html#post2208588

I waited till the opportunity to acquire rims presented themselves. As above.

I'm really glad I finally did it. I'm also very pleased with the look of the rims. After selling my original rims, the cost wasn't that significant. The big difference was the effort involved in re-finishing the replacement rims.
 
Im trying to avoid grinding my wheels just sounds sketchy im sure those running shaved wheels are good and all but I wouldent wanna risk it.
and for spacers i like to wheel kinda hard, I read mixed reviews but has anyone ever heard of a failure do to spacers while wheeling?
Theres 231 calipers at a couple yards around me for 40 bucks each so it not so bad
I guess I can wait to some wheels pop up prefer those 5 stars they look the cleanest in my opinion
 
Im trying to avoid grinding my wheels just sounds sketchy im sure those running shaved wheels are good and all but I wouldent wanna risk it.
and for spacers i like to wheel kinda hard, I read mixed reviews but has anyone ever heard of a failure do to spacers while wheeling?
Theres 231 calipers at a couple yards around me for 40 bucks each so it not so bad
I guess I can wait to some wheels pop up prefer those 5 stars they look the cleanest in my opinion

I found 5 stars for my Summer/dry season tires. I really like the look. I needed new Winters, and found some last Summer, and stumbled on the rims, in rough shape, at the same time. I was lucky. I paid $35ea for my calipers and $30 for the rebuild kit.
 
Im trying to avoid grinding my wheels just sounds sketchy im sure those running shaved wheels are good and all but I wouldent wanna risk it.
and for spacers i like to wheel kinda hard, I read mixed reviews but has anyone ever heard of a failure do to spacers while wheeling?
Theres 231 calipers at a couple yards around me for 40 bucks each so it not so bad
I guess I can wait to some wheels pop up prefer those 5 stars they look the cleanest in my opinion

Spacers work fine. It's a slab of aluminum. Stock OEM studs can break sameway. Never heard of any failed spacer on the trail. For s same price you could find Craigslist wheels also.
 
Imma hit the local yard on Tuesday, they have a any wheel deal for 10 each. maybe I'll get lucky with some 5 stars and find good calipers too. Now I'm all excited for this upgrade:thumb:
 
I have the Tundra 199mm brakes.
My runner was originally 2wd with 15" rims which meant I got the smallest factory brakes offered. I fought with warped rotors with those crappy brakes for over 5 years no matter what I did. When it was discovered that the tundra calipers were practically bolt on, I knew that was what I needed. Of course when I did it, the 231mm brakes had hardly been done so I didn't want to take the chance with needing to locate a different set of 16" wheels other than what I found already. I went with the 199's and have been happy ever since. I did this back in 2010 - haven't warped a rotor yet and I do tow on occasion.

On a side note, the bigger calipers that come with the 16" wheels on the 4runners look to be similar in size to the 199mm tundras. However the tundras use the bigger rotors which help tremendously with heat. I only mention this since I got a complete front frame half when I did my 4wd conversion and I was able to compare the two.

If you don't plan on going much bigger on tires or heavy weight mods, the 199's will be a welcome upgrade due to the larger rotor. I know I love mine! But if you are going to go bigger with the mods, I am sure the 231's would be better.
 
Powerstop s13we kit upgrade from Summit Racing

Hi, I have to agree with the consensus: if you can, go with the 231mm big brake kit. I have the s13we caliper kit which I bought from Summit p/n pwr-kc2323 and it is terrific! I did not have the time to check and see if I could get the 231mm kit to fit my wheels, so I went with the 199mm system. Toyota put them on for about $400 labor. I heard someone say that the 199mm system is about 20% better than stock which I agree with. It's a noticeable vast improvement but why would you not go with the 231mm caliper brakes, if you have the time...

Best,

David
 
I have the 199's, and posted a review of them here (you can search my posting history).

My truck's previous owner was an earnest but not overly-talented shade tree mechanic, who did things like put new brake pads on when the rotors were clearly warped and used cheap copper spark plugs (and also managed to run the OEM clutch to 180,000 miles). In any case, after I purchased the truck, the brakes were one of the things I set to cleaning up.

You realistically have three choices:

1) Use factory rotors and brake pads. Given the availability of other solutions out there... this is a bad option.

2) Use 199's. The upside is that it's bolt-on, requires minimal modification, and will not require you to grind your wheels.

3) Use 231's. Some grinding may be required, and you may have to either grind your spare or get a new wheel.

I went with the 199's. I had two sets of tires (3-season and snows), all on split-3-spoke wheels. I did not want to spend the time necessary to grind all the wheels down, or sink the extra $1000 or so into getting new tires and wheels for the truck. If you have 17" wheels already, the 231's are a good option.

In any case, braking is more than just a matter of surface area; it's braking pad quality and heat dissipation that will determine your braking experience. Running cheap pads on a 231 is probably going to be just as bad as running OEM on the factory pads.

My suggestion would be -- if 199 is going to be the less time-consuming / expensive option (ie, you have 16" wheels or otherwise would require a hefty investment to run 231's), invest in quality rotors and high quality pads. Find pads that tolerate heat well (I run ceramics on all my vehicles) and rotors that can cool quickly; there's plenty of debate to be had about drilled / slotted rotors, but at the very least ensure your rotors have good vanes and airflow.

I'm happy with my 199's. I've towed with them with no brake fade. My truck's a 5-speed, and the ability to do engine braking is helpful as well.
 
I was impressed with the stopping power of the 199mm with 31" tires (Brembo discs + Akebono ceramic pads). Not so impressed now that I have 33s but there is still good stopping power.

And for anyone wondering, Pro Comp 252 wheels will clear the 199mm calipers with a tiny bit of filing, 1mm or so.
 

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