2000 4runner 5spd squealing off the line?

[toyzoku]

I just did a clutch job about 2 thousand miles ago and I don't think that's the issue but it's above my pay grade so I thought I would ask here.

So when up or down shifting (although mainly up shifting) I get a squeal from what sounds like the engine bay and its only for a little bit as the clutch is engaging. It doesn't always happen either, like maybe 5/10 stop to first gears. But it is annoying as hell.

When we did the clutch we changed out everything but the slave cylinder (could that be it? doesn't seem like something that would make that noise but again this is why I am asking). I just watch a ton of videos on youtube of people having throw out bearing problems and it's definitely not that.

Also thinking it could be the belts, they don't seem very loose and were all replaced last March but the noise reminds me belts slipping. Like they could be squealing until the clutch is fully engaged and provides enough load on the engine to keep them going at full speed?

Here's a video clip of me driving, I drove especially 'bad' to get the noise to be louder for the clip: http://youtu.be/wGQCD3SASGg

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Belts.

Carefully take bar of soap and with the motor running lightly touch the belts with the soap.

If that stops it, you got a loose(r) belt or an alternator or pulley that is dragging.

And again CAREFULLY. Fingers get lost in there.

 

[toyzoku]

Belts.

Carefully take bar of soap and with the motor running lightly touch the belts with the soap.

If that stops it, you got a loose(r) belt or an alternator or pulley that is dragging.

And again CAREFULLY. Fingers get lost in there.

Oh thank god, that's what I thought it was but when I felt the belts they were fairly tight, maybe 1/3" of wiggle room.

Now with this bar of soap, am I just touching to the belt anywhere on the belt or does it need to on the inside to get on the pulley itself to stop the squeal?

That small belt on the left hand side for the compressor is gonna be a dousey to get to with the car on lol, could I just rub it a little while its off?

I'm really hoping it is the belts and they just need tightening, follow this guy and I should be set!

 

[Blitzkrieg]

All you are doing with the soap is putting a bit of lube between the belt an pulley. I've seen belts squeal when they are old (and getting brittle), when they are dragging because of something like an alternator or power steering pump going south, etc...

Main goal is to nailing it down to the belts vs. something else (obviously the soap is not a fix just a troubleshooting tool).

Blitz tip #2?: If you have a fluid leak you cannot track down, clean the area (whole engine if you have to) and then put some talcum powder in your hand and blow it around the suspect area with a hair dryer. Guarantee you will find the source of your leak.

Old school tricks my Grandfather taught me on the farm growing up that they don't teach anymore. ;-)

As far as the soap - 99% of the time its the sides of the V-belt that you want to coat. With the motor running only takes about 1 second on each side.

Do one belt at a time. That way you know exactly which one is causing the issue.

 

[toyzoku]

All you are doing with the soap is putting a bit of lube between the belt an pulley. I've seen belts squeal when they are old (and getting brittle), when they are dragging because of something like an alternator or power steering pump going south, etc...

Main goal is to nailing it down to the belts vs. something else (obviously the soap is not a fix just a troubleshooting tool).

Blitz tip #2?: If you have a fluid leak you cannot track down, clean the area (whole engine if you have to) and then put some talcum powder in your hand and blow it around the suspect area with a hair dryer. Guarantee you will find the source of your leak.

Old school tricks my Grandfather taught me on the farm growing up that they don't teach anymore. ;-)

As far as the soap - 99% of the time its the sides of the V-belt that you want to coat. With the motor running only takes about 1 second on each side.

Do one belt at a time. That way you know exactly which one is causing the issue.

Thanks on the belts, yeah I knew it was 1 belt at a time just didn't know where the soap needed to be applied to get what we were wanting out of this.

Actually yes I had a big leak I just noticed oil all over the place when I was under it on Saturday....turns outthe oil filter was spun off a few turns. No more leak now. Could that have been the issue too? I'll still do the soap trick this weekend too see if I need to bust out the tightening of them but they seemed tight enough!

What does the talcum powder do exactly?

 

[BlazeRunner]

From your video and my experience, that doesn't sound like belts but I could be wrong. Also, our vehicles use serpentine belts, not v-belt, but the troubleshooting technique should work the same.

 

[toyzoku]

From your video and my experience, that doesn't sound like belts but I could be wrong. Also, our vehicles use serpentine belts, not v-belts.

Isn't a serpentine just 1 belt that does it all? cuz my 4runner has 3 separate belts and so do all 5vze engines?

Also in your experience what does this sound like?

 

[BlazeRunner]

Serpentine belts are just a different style of belt with the grooves underneath on the pulley side. V-belt are usually in older vehicles, but I digress.
Usually belts have a high pitched squeal, but under load they could possibly be making that sound, but it just doesn't immediately strike me as belts.. I would try the soap technique and go from there.
One thing though, does it only make that sound when using the clutch? Or does it make that sound after clutch is fully engaged? Do you feel anything odd in your clutch pedal? Vibration or anything?

 

[toyzoku]

Serpentine belts are just a different style of belt with the grooves underneath on the pulley side. V-belt are usually in older vehicles, but I digress.
Usually belts have a high pitched squeal, but under load they could possibly be making that sound, but it just doesn't immediately strike me as belts.. I would try the soap technique and go from there.
One thing though, does it only make that sound when using the clutch? Or does it make that sound after clutch is fully engaged? Do you feel anything odd in your clutch pedal? Vibration or anything?

I don't know about that, a serpentine is a single system over multiple belts which power each accessory. Uses less space and is also more efficient on the motor.

And only when bringing the clutch out up or down shifting, no other instances. No vibration even on the clutch pedal when it's making that sound.

 

[BlazeRunner]

I don't know about that, a serpentine is a single system over multiple belts which power each accessory. Uses less space and is also more efficient on the motor.

And only when bringing the clutch out up or down shifting, no other instances. No vibration even on the clutch pedal when it's making that sound.

Well if you want to get technical they are called ribbed v-belt, a conventional v-belt they are not. Usually serpentine belts use this type, and they don't have 'sides' like he was describing. Vehicles can have more than one serpentine belt. A serpentine belt is a ribbed v-belt and vice versa, you can't use a v-belt on a serpentine system. A V-belt rides in a V-shaped pulley.

Anyway, I think it's something related to your clutch. Especially if it just happened after clutch job, and what makes you dismiss the throw out bearing? I have little experience with clutches, but I have a hunch therein lies your problem.

 

[toyzoku]

Well if you want to get technical they are called ribbed v-belt, a conventional v-belt they are not. Usually serpentine belts use this type, and they don't have 'sides' like he was describing. Vehicles can have more than one serpentine belt. A serpentine belt is a ribbed v-belt and vice versa, you can't use a v-belt on a serpentine system. A V-belt rides in a V-shaped pulley.

Anyway, I think it's something related to your clutch. Especially if it just happened after clutch job, and what makes you dismiss the throw out bearing? I have little experience with clutches, but I have a hunch therein lies your problem.

Gotcha

I say that because it didn't start for at least 1500 miles after the clutch job, if it started right away then I would agree or if it did it every single time I shifted then also yes but if I start off a certain way it won't make the sound, it will start off as it should. Nice and quiet. Also the noise is coming from further up than my clutch area (or so it seems from my perspective) I'll strap in my go pro and see what I can come up with, probably when I test out the soap.

 

[BlazeRunner]

Gotcha

I say that because it didn't start for at least 1500 miles after the clutch job, if it started right away then I would agree or if it did it every single time I shifted then also yes but if I start off a certain way it won't make the sound, it will start off as it should. Nice and quiet. Also the noise is coming from further up than my clutch area (or so it seems from my perspective) I'll strap in my go pro and see what I can come up with, probably when I test out the soap.

Interesting, well I'm sorry I can't be of much help, I was hoping somebody with more experience would chime in... but do keep us updated even if you figure it out on your own, it's good to have it documented for others who might experience this issue.

 

[scrap metal]

That doesn't sound like the usual belt squeak.

What brand clutch did you use?
was the flywheel resurfaced?
Does it only happen when you give it more gas than usual or a quicker or slower clutch release?

 

[toyzoku]

That doesn't sound like the usual belt squeak.

What brand clutch did you use?
was the flywheel resurfaced?
Does it only happen when you give it more gas than usual or a quicker or slower clutch release?

Eclutchmasters stage 2, brand new flywheel so no resurfacing. Was working perfectly for months. Actually come o think of it I have put like 4k miles since the clutch was done and it start about 1000 miles ago. Im guessing the oil happened around the same time, it slowing started to leak be got worse and worse to when I finally noticed it (I saw small oil drips in the driveway for a while but I just thought it was normal seepage from an old car then when I got under it and saw it covering the an entire underside of the car I insoected everything and saw the oil filter covered, tightened it up and the drops completely stopped.

It happens when I drag the clutch slower but sometimes it doesn't happen at all as I start out slow pretty much every time. If I downshift too abruptly from 3rd to 2nd then it chirps that squeal sound sometimes as well.

 

[sjwelna]

If that were me after a recent clutch job, I would probably take a peek to make sure the throw out bearing wasnt bad. I've had them die on me and it squeeled when it was pushing in the clutch but made no noise when the clutch was fully out (engaged). On some Subaru's (late 2000's legacy's especially) they can eat the input shaft. On my old DSM the clutch fork slid off and twisted the TOB around the input shaft and buggered a lot of stuff. Clutch sounds make me nervous now. :mad2:

-Steve

 

[Scramble]

When I was clutch shopping I read too many bad reviews about the eClutchmasters Stage 2. One review said the guy only got 3000 miles out of it.

I changed my OEM clutch when I had my engine out @ 143,000. It still had meat on it but I didn't want to deal with it 10,000-20,000 miles down the road. I went with the Marlin Crawler 900lb clutch. Cheaper & better than OEM. And for $100 more than cheap E-bay crap it's a no brainer. It should last for the rest of my trucks life. Do it right the first time.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

What does the talcum powder do exactly?

If you start with a clean motor the talcum powder and then run it to start the leak and then powder it right after it will leave a pretty white trail showing you exactly where the leak is coming from.

I have seen leaks where it is almost impossible to tell the source and this method has never failed me. Plus, it's easy to clean up after you fix the leak.

Think of is as CSI for a motor if you will.

 

[toyzoku]

If that were me after a recent clutch job, I would probably take a peek to make sure the throw out bearing wasnt bad. I've had them die on me and it squeeled when it was pushing in the clutch but made no noise when the clutch was fully out (engaged). On some Subaru's (late 2000's legacy's especially) they can eat the input shaft. On my old DSM the clutch fork slid off and twisted the TOB around the input shaft and buggered a lot of stuff. Clutch sounds make me nervous now. :mad2:

-Steve

Did you replace your throw out bearing with the clutch? Cuz I replaced everything except the slave cylinder

 

[toyzoku]

When I was clutch shopping I read too many bad reviews about the eClutchmasters Stage 2. One review said the guy only got 3000 miles out of it.

I changed my OEM clutch when I had my engine out @ 143,000. It still had meat on it but I didn't want to deal with it 10,000-20,000 miles down the road. I went with the Marlin Crawler 900lb clutch. Cheaper & better than OEM. And for $100 more than cheap E-bay crap it's a no brainer. It should last for the rest of my trucks life. Do it right the first time.

My mechanic buddy recommended them that's why I did it and I put my faith him and his experience over online reviews

 

[angus]

You should only be able to press each belt down at it's longest point by about 1/2" or less.

Sometimes the belts need to be tighter than you think. If it sounds like a belt it most likely is.

But:

I have heard worn clutches make a similar squeal when worn to the rivets, it's the brass rivets running on the steel of the flywheel/pressure plate.