2017 Honda Ridgeline
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BlackWorksInc
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I've often wondered... do you crawl INTO the tire to remove it or do you use a REALLY long extension on those? 
Knight-Errant
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I've often wondered... do you crawl INTO the tire to remove it or do you use a REALLY long extension on those?
Ha! I'm imagining some poor guy crawling into the tire....and then the driver not realizing he is in there and taking off :roll: round and round!
Quatre Coureur
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ToyoTech
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Used tacomas sell for more than new nowadays. Where you find cheap tacomas that don't have 300k and salvaged lol
delloro
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Thai
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Lets see...4-banger (never been Toyota's strong engine) + huge tires = can you even pass a Ford Pinto on the highway? Fuel economy of Hummer?
Sure, it looks manly...but there is absolutely no use for it by anyone!
Quatre Coureur
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"can it even pass a Pinto?" Well yes actually. There's this thing called 'gearing'... And when it's matched to the tires a strange thing happens, original(or better)performance is restored. "No use for it by anyone"... Uh yea, guys who like to actually push the limits of off roading would take this in a heartbeat Mr. Minivan. :nod:
Thai
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So, what mileage do you get? Do you drive daily? Or just for off-roading? Gearing...sure, it can restore some performance but you suffer elsewhere, like mileage and mainteance costs.
If i wanted an off-road rig, then i would get a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon and built it from there. But then again, i am just a minivan guy and know nothing about off-roading and gearing.... :moping:
Strange how the biggest complaint about Ridgeline is that it cannot off-road! Take it this way...Ridgeline is SAFER, better on-road, better in bad weather, way more efficient, and more practical than your Taco. Is it as good off-road? Of course not.
Quatre Coureur
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It's not built for mileage. It can be daily driven. Gearing can restore performance and mileage. How does it create additional maintenance costs? And 4-bangers never been Toyotas strong point? Yeah the 22re is a real pos... :crazy:
Thai
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So, with your big meats and re-gearing:
1. Brakes stock or big-brake upgrade kit? No increase wear on brakes?
2. CV joints are same? No additional wear on it? Drop diff? Is your track wider now with the big meats?
3. Front axle has same gearing as rear? Steering wear & tear not there with your big meats?
4. Wheel bearings? No additional wear and tear?
Why do you think 22re is a strong point? It is reliable, but not efficient, nor refined. Power is not class-leading. Never said that it was POS, but it is nothing special.
Do you disagree with this: Ridgeline is SAFER, better on-road, better in bad weather, way more efficient, and more practical than your Taco. Is it as good off-road? Of course not.
BlackWorksInc
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[MENTION=2]Thai[/MENTION]
Safer in what respect? I'd like to see overlap tests compared to a 2016 Tacoma or 4Runner before I'd make claims like that. I don't see how it's significantly better than a Tacoma or 4Runner in adverse weather. Without real world MPG to go by, efficient is unproven; based on the Gen 1's numbers it's less efficient. Practical is also subjective as we have gone back and forth on this the entire thread.
Without solid data your claims are circumstantial at best; not saying the claims can't be true, but trying to pass them off as fact without data is just wishful thinking bordering on trolling at this point.
Also, do you own a 4Runner out of genuine curiosity? I don't think you've mentioned it all these
Safer in what respect? I'd like to see overlap tests compared to a 2016 Tacoma or 4Runner before I'd make claims like that. I don't see how it's significantly better than a Tacoma or 4Runner in adverse weather. Without real world MPG to go by, efficient is unproven; based on the Gen 1's numbers it's less efficient. Practical is also subjective as we have gone back and forth on this the entire thread.
Without solid data your claims are circumstantial at best; not saying the claims can't be true, but trying to pass them off as fact without data is just wishful thinking bordering on trolling at this point.
Also, do you own a 4Runner out of genuine curiosity? I don't think you've mentioned it all these
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Quatre Coureur
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Dude I'm not doggin out the Ridgeline at all. For it's intended purpose I think it's a superior design. You called Tacomas cheap... Having recently bought a used one I can tell u first hand they ain't cheap. The black Tacoma is SAS'd with huge brakes and no CVs. The track is wider, more stable, safer. Don't get me wrong, I like Hondas. I owned a 98 accord with 230K miles when it got t-boned. It was a great car. If u could only have one vehicle I can see where the Ridgeline would make a good compromise. With the settlement I got for the Honda I went out n bought a Tacoma and a Corolla. More cargo carrying capacity and better fuel economy for WAY less $$$.
Thai
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Ok, lets talk facts. Tacoma is similar to 4runner platform...at least the front end. Have you seen IIHS rating on 4runner (2015; after facelift)? Small overlap was NOT pretty.
Link: Vehicle details (4runner)
Ridgeline is based on MDX/Pilot platform that was introduced in 2014 and uses the latest ACE-II structural design for 360 degree protection. MDX and Pilot passed all IIHS tests with flying colors, including super strong roof strength.
Can you see the difference? :eyebrows:
Weather? It is FWD-biased AWD with true rear torque vectoring. What does Tacoma have? RWD with part-time 4WD. Who do you think will be better in foul weather?? Where is most weight located in a truck? Seriously?! :dizzy: You want to argue about that?!
You're telling me that the Ridgeline will get worst MPGs than V6 Tacoma with BOF and auto (18/23)? What is there to debate even if we're talking about theory?!
Do i own 4runner? I used to. 2002 4runner Limited 4wd. I, along with Gatorgreg, created this forum because of owning it. Anything else you need to know?:noidea: You think that i am a troll?! Look at my join date dude!
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Thai
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Did i call Tacoma CHEAP?? I don't have patience to look back. Sorry, that is NOT what i meant to say. Tacoma 4-banger is not what i want because truck/SUV + 4-banger is just not useful. Sure, it will do the job and sure you can use it off-road (just like Suzuki Samuris), but V6 is the way to go. Not much difference in MPG...Tacoma 4-banger 5-speed manual 4wd gets 19/21. Tacoma V6 6-speed auto 4wd gets 18/23.
Ok, you have modified your Taco with SAS, big brakes, etc....how much did you put into it? And we're not here arguing about off-road capability. But for 99% of customers, the Ridgeline is far more useful than your modified truck. And with all your mods, your truck may even cost MORE than Ridgeline.
I had a Corolla too. Great fuel economy but good luck in a crash vs. something bigger.
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Knight-Errant
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BUT in 2004, you said the 4runner was safe choice! GOT YOU THAI! HAHAHAHAHA! Quotes of of context for the win!
Just messing with ya
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Thai
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BUT in 2004, you said the 4runner was safe choice! GOT YOU THAI! HAHAHAHAHA! Quotes of of context for the win!
Just messing with ya
Nicely done!
Got me with that! Look guys, i am NOT putting down 4runner or Tacoma. However, certain vehicles appeal to different crowd. Personally, i have 3 young kids (one toddler) and time-consuming job/family life. My off-roading days are over until my toddler gets out of school! I have a minivan...so, image is not a concern for me.
I have SUVs now that are more foul-weather SUVs because that is what i NEED. I would love to have a 4runner TRAIL, but i will NEVER buy a vehicle just for looks. I always use my vehicle according to its strength. When i had BMW M3, i tracked it. When i had my G-wagen (purchased new), i went all out off-roading because why buy it and not use what it is built for?!
Would i love a Tacoma or Frontier? Sure. But, my job is 100 miles per day on the highway. Why do i need BOF? I need safety because my life is worth more alive than dead at this point. But i like the bed because i go to Home Depot and gardening stuff for my wife. And unlike BlackWorksInc who has no idea what he's talking about regarding minivan and kids, i do not like to pack dirt and plants and wood in my minivan with my kids riding in it!
This discussion has nothing to do with the merits of 4runner or Taco for its intended purpose.
Knight-Errant
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And what about this fictitious...I mean completely true post you made a few years ago that was not made up or altered in any way? )
....I've been locked in my apartment due to the snow storm for too long....(le sigh).
)....I've been locked in my apartment due to the snow storm for too long....(le sigh).
Thai
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And what about this fictitious...I mean completely true post you made a few years ago that was not made up or altered in any way?
....I've been locked in my apartment due to the snow storm for too long....(le sigh).
LOL...you make me sound like Steve Jobs!
BlackWorksInc
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Ok, lets talk facts. Tacoma is similar to 4runner platform...at least the front end. Have you seen IIHS rating on 4runner (2015; after facelift)? Small overlap was NOT pretty.
Link: Vehicle details (4runner)
Ridgeline is based on MDX/Pilot platform that was introduced in 2014 and uses the latest ACE-II structural design for 360 degree protection. MDX and Pilot passed all IIHS tests with flying colors, including super strong roof strength.
Can you see the difference? :eyebrows:
Weather? It is FWD-biased AWD with true rear torque vectoring. What does Tacoma have? RWD with part-time 4WD. Who do you think will be better in foul weather?? Where is most weight located in a truck? Seriously?! :dizzy: You want to argue about that?!
You're telling me that the Ridgeline will get worst MPGs than V6 Tacoma with BOF and auto (18/23)? What is there to debate even if we're talking about theory?!
Do i own 4runner? I used to. 2002 4runner Limited 4wd. I, along with Gatorgreg, created this forum because of owning it. Anything else you need to know?:noidea: You think that i am a troll?! Look at my join date dude!
I've seen the IIHS testing for the 4Runner and made a point about it when I was making a different thread. But someone mentioned that that test was purposefully done differently on the 4Runner to maximize damage vs. normal testing on other unibodies. Which if you watch the video and compare the center line vs. the center line for this passenger car I have to actually admit that the vehicle might actually survive better had they replicated the test with the offset they used for other vehicles.
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Pictures from:
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/gener...tform-better-body-mount-chop.html#post2207145
I'm not saying that it's safer, but I have to admit the IIHS video seems to be done deliberately to bypass the main bumper support and frame rail, vs. the other tested vehicles. Why I can't say, but it does increase damage potential and shows a difference in testing methods vs. Unibody's in an almost biased manner. I'd be curious what the logic behind it is.
Also the 3rd Gen Tacoma has a far beefier body mount designed for that IIHS testing, I'd actually like to see data between the Gen 2 & Gen 3 Tacomas to see how effective that reinforcement is; so technically the Gen 3 Tacoma is safer than the Gen 5 4Runner in that respect according to Toyota's supposed modifications to the J150 platform.
Again, so far Tacomas and 4Runners are running fine in the blizzards in the East and other horrid weather without issues on fairly stock wheels and tires with fairly inexperienced (in terms of off-road driving technique) drivers. So I don't see how the Ridgeline has any significant advantage there, not to mention the Ridgeline would also have the same offset weight distribution since it's mainly designed to look and act as a truck that the Tacoma would.
Well again, you're assumption of better MPG is based on wishful thinking with no hard data yet. All we have to go by is the Gen 1 which had worse mileage than the Tacoma. At best I would assume the Gen 2 eeks out a smidge better than the Tacoma, but nothing note worthy.
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