2019 Paint quality... is it just me?

[Jebsmith2112]

Voodoo Blue pro here... I have less than 5k miles on my truck and I have counted 11 paint chips. On my 2017 cement Tacoma Pro, I had ZERO when I traded it in.

In my opinion, this paint is straight garbage. I even have layered ceramic coating on it from mile 10, no difference.

I have brought this to the attention of my sales rep and he said he would check into things, but in a year, this is going to look like some bullshit.

 

[Grug556]

You can thank all the enviro nazis for making paint low voc which equals mostly garbage.

 

[16RedRunner]

Toyota paint is horrible.

 

[Bill_B]

this was one of the things I liked most about the BPW... I thought I recall reading that unless you get a pearl color the paint for the non pearl models is 2 stage... primer/base with the clear mixed in to the base? I could be totally wrong though.

 

[Tejas]

Toyota has always had thin paint, my 2018 Pro has at least a dozen or more chips on the leading edge of the hood in just 10 months of use. I gave up almost immediately on attempting to combat it, sadly it is what it is and you have the enviro nazis to thank for it. You're kidding yourself if you think Toyota is going to do anything for you, that's simply wear and tear, the paint warranty only covers defects and corrosion. I say let go and embrace the chips, dings, and scratches and you'll find more joy in using it.

Here is what my paint looks like after a single trip to Big Bend (Oso Loop). It sucked the first day, but I am over it now lol.

 

[jhguth]

You can thank all the enviro nazis for making paint low voc which equals mostly garbage.

water based paints have been in use for years, it's fine, toyota just does a shit job and uses really thin paint and clearcoat

 

[brtnstrns]

Toyota has always had thin paint, my 2018 Pro has at least a dozen or more chips on the leading edge of the hood in just 10 months of use. I gave up almost immediately on attempting to combat it, sadly it is what it is and you have the enviro nazis to thank for it. You're kidding yourself if you think Toyota is going to do anything for you, that's simply wear and tear, the paint warranty only covers defects and corrosion. I say let go and embrace the chips, dings, and scratches and you'll find more joy in using it.

Here is what my paint looks like after a single trip to Big Bend (Oso Loop). It sucked the first day, but I am over it now lol.

Few hours with a dual-action buffer and your favorite brand of cutting compound will fix that up with relative ease.

 

[Grug556]

water based paints have been in use for years, it's fine, toyota just does a shit job and uses really thin paint and clearcoat

Negative, its not as durable as the old high voc type coatings. Water based with no solvents is not a good coating vehicle.

Look if Toyota say used a full zinc rich primer, placed on top of hexvalent chrome sealer, then top coated primer with a quality high voc coating and finished off with a nice gma or similar, these trucks wouldnt rust.

INcrease paint thickness doesnt always correlate with increased mechanical properties of the coating, in fact often times higher dry film thickness equates to poorer mechanical properties.

You didnt hear anybody grumbling about cadium arsenic chrome lead based coatings..they were great!

 

[Mutant138]

Yup lot's of chips. Then gouged the plastics a few times tring to shred my stock tires off road so now they are bedlined. I wheel the truck so often (Arizona Desert) my paint is already ****ed at 12K. I'm not selling the truck tho so whatever.

Try giving less f**ks. It's just a thing. For all you know someone will run a light today and total your truck (I hope it doesn't for everyone's safety and insurance). Additionally if you take her offroad more the other trail scars will cancel it out (it's science).

 

[cb1111]

You can take every single one of these posts and swap "Toyota" for any other brand and post the identical thing on any other car forums.

Every brand has "thin" paint. When I had my xyz, the paint was great, but now, my abc has terrible paint.

Ceramic coatings won't stop paint chips, only PPF (paint protection film - aka "clear bra") will help with that.

Paints have actually gotten better and you can now get the same lustre and depth with far thinner coatings. Galvanizing parts has slowed rust (at least in most areas of the US) and peeling clearcoats are getting to be virtually unheard of.

Back away from the guy ahead of you and you'll reduce pain chips. Don't go off-road and you'll reduce them too

PPF for the win - front bumper, part of the leading edge of the hood/fenders, wheel arches and the area above the windshield and you're set. Add some ceramic and (if you don't scratch it), your car will look like new 10 years down the road.

 

[Tejas]

Few hours with a dual-action buffer and your favorite brand of cutting compound will fix that up with relative ease.

Yea my paint/coating guy said a day and a half and $400-500 and he'd have it looking as good as new again. As long as they stay in the clear coat like that I am not really all that concerned. Should I decide to sell at some point I will drop it off with him and have him work his magic on it, the new owner will never be the wiser.

 

[Pathfinder!]

I have a 2012 with 100K+ miles with salsa red pearl paint and I'm amazed how good the paint still looks. Must be better quality on the pearl paint jobs.

 

[CavPro]

Ceramic coatings won't stop paint chips, only PPF (paint protection film - aka "clear bra") will help with that.

PPF for the win - front bumper, part of the leading edge of the hood/fenders, wheel arches and the area above the windshield and you're set.

+1 for PPF. Mine was installed at the port and I had no call on that, and after washing a waxing a couple of times I can clearly see where it has saved my paint. As mentioned above, I need to add some more to some other areas. I have put it on the door cups and the door edges already.

 

[-E5J-]

Negative, its not as durable as the old high voc type coatings. Water based with no solvents is not a good coating vehicle.

Look if Toyota say used a full zinc rich primer, placed on top of hexvalent chrome sealer, then top coated primer with a quality high voc coating and finished off with a nice gma or similar, these trucks wouldnt rust.

INcrease paint thickness doesnt always correlate with increased mechanical properties of the coating, in fact often times higher dry film thickness equates to poorer mechanical properties.

You didnt hear anybody grumbling about cadium arsenic chrome lead based coatings..they were great!

You literally took the words out of my mouth... I'm always talking about cadmium arsenic chrome lead based coatings... why are we the only ones that get it?

 

[cortney76]

Good to know that the same Voodoo Blue from my 07 FJ is still around. Cough on that shit and it will chip.

 

[jhguth]

Negative, its not as durable as the old high voc type coatings. Water based with no solvents is not a good coating vehicle.

Look if Toyota say used a full zinc rich primer, placed on top of hexvalent chrome sealer, then top coated primer with a quality high voc coating and finished off with a nice gma or similar, these trucks wouldnt rust.

INcrease paint thickness doesnt always correlate with increased mechanical properties of the coating, in fact often times higher dry film thickness equates to poorer mechanical properties.

You didnt hear anybody grumbling about cadium arsenic chrome lead based coatings..they were great!

i didn't say they weren't better paints, i said water based paints are fine and plenty of manufacturers and are perfectly fine today. the change over started decades ago, we're at least a decade past everyone using water based paints and we've made it through the growing pains of flaking clear coats. the paint on the 4runner is notable bad even among other contemporary water based paints, it is very thin and scratches easily.

 

[Crocket]

Toyota Paint

The only thing cheaper and thinner than the exterior paint is the interior painted plastics!!!! For a rough and tumble go anywhere SUV, the exterior and interior should not scratch with light touching. One of my biggest disappointments with this vehicle.

 

[Grug556]

You literally took the words out of my mouth... I'm always talking about cadmium arsenic chrome lead based coatings... why are we the only ones that get it?

its because we value technology that works. Not retarded ideas put forward by control freak environmentalists that dont understand how to flush a toilet..let alone what coatings are best :usa2:

 

[cb1111]

its because we value technology that works. Not retarded ideas put forward by control freak environmentalists that dont understand how to flush a toilet..let alone what coatings are best :usa2:[/QUOTEI'm not sure that I fully agree. Yes, water based paints are a step backwards for durability, but they've decreased the amount of crap in the air.

Radium is a far superior lume to Luminova in watches, but it had the pesky side effect of killing the "radium girls" that applied it. DDT (Dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane) was the greatest thing since sliced bread and so safe that you can eat it

We know better now.

 

[johnbt]

"Toyota has always had thin paint"

I had a new '87 Camry LE that wasn't bad at all.

Of course, I had a '67 Chevy way back when and it had real chrome bumpers and you could dance on the roof, so everything is relative to something.