2020 AG Pro vs 2020 ORP w/KDSS

[mteolus]

Edit: BOTH the TRD Pro and the TRDORP do not have dual zone climate control. The JBL audio system is NOT an option on the TRDORP but there is an option for a "premium" sound system, I guess better than stock but not as good as the JBL.

All differences can be see here in this brochure near the bottom in the "Features" pages. Not sure its entirely accurate as it says the Pro will have 15 speakers.

 

[baldrik78]

If you aren't chasing the AG color and you have any thoughts of upgrading the suspension or lifting (it's a serious bug if you are into and you won't be able to stop yourself) - then the ORP is the way to go.

Also I really like the KDSS on my truck. It is super noticeable in long curves at speed, compared to the traditional sway-bar. I'd only skip the option if I was planning to do Long-Travel suspension.

 

[DigitalRJH]

I debated going Pro or ORP last year. The color choices for the 19 pros were lackluster in my opinion so I went with an MGM ORP with KDSS. I’ve made exterior cosmetic mods to it with a couple more needed. I changed the wheels and tires, installed an aftermarket grille, and still need to blackout the bumper valances and do a front end spacer lift to lift the front 1 inch. When those last two items are done I’ll be just under 2K for the total cost of the mods with selling the original wheels, tires, and running boards. Will look identical to a pro for about 8-9K less than the pro would have cost.

 

[Steel28]

Edit: BOTH the TRD Pro and the TRDORP do not have dual zone climate control. The JBL audio system is NOT an option on the TRDORP but there is an option for a "premium" sound system, I guess better than stock but not as good as the JBL.

All differences can be see here in this brochure near the bottom in the "Features" pages. Not sure its entirely accurate as it says the Pro will have 15 speakers.

I have 2020 TRDP which has dual climate controls.

For OP, can’t go wrong with any choice but Mountain4R nailed it. 2020 Pro features are huge welcome addition. I also enjoy TRD (made by Borla btw) exhaust roar which is not super loud (I came from driving M and R cars with performance exhausts though ).

 

[gSwift]

I have the AG Pro, and if it wasn't for wanting the color then I wouldn't have got the Pro.

I mean i've already ditched the wheels, the rack will be gone in a couple of weeks, and as soon as I find a good enough deal on Icon, the stock suspension will be gone too. I get that I probably threw a lot of money out the window, but I wanted the AG and some of the other features that the 2020 had.

And don't let the exhaust deter you since its such a easy fix. I swapped mine out in 30 minutes. Super easy

 

[Bumbo]

and as soon as I find a good enough deal on Icon, the stock suspension will be gone too.

I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around why you would do that? Legitimately curious… are the Fox shocks are a watered down OEM variant or something?

Do you have the Bilstein 6112 or Fox suspension?

 

[Dillusion]

I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around why you would do that? Legitimately curious… are the Fox shocks are a watered down OEM variant or something?

Do you have the Bilstein 6112 or Fox suspension?

Prolly wants the extra lift. (We all know they look better lifted)

He already admitted he just got it for the color which I can see.

 

[gSwift]

I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around why you would do that? Legitimately curious… are the Fox shocks are a watered down OEM variant or something.

Do you have the Bilstein 6112 or Fox suspension?

I have the Fox and they are fine on the street, can't really give much of an opinion on them off-road since i've only been on some light trails

I mainly want more lift/clearance and going with a long travel setup.

 

[Bumbo]

I have the Fox and they are fine on the street, can't really give much of an opinion on them off-road since i've only been on some light trails

I mainly want more lift/clearance and going with a long travel setup.

You must be talking about ICONs extended travel shocks which work within the stock geometry, I believe it just recovers a little bit of droop when using their upper control arms. Real long travel is something that completely changes the factory suspension geometry, replacing both upper and lower control arms, shocks, and front axles using a kit from Total Chaos or similar. It’s a significant cost and commitment for off-road use.

Seems like a awful lot of trouble for a little bit of lift, but I get it. You won’t see much of any travel difference between the two either with the ICON system. This goes for pretty much everything until you get into a proper +2 or +3.5 LT setup.

Let me know how much you want for the Fox shocks... ill buy the entire setup from you and throw them on my Limited.

 

[gSwift]

You must be talking about ICONs extended travel shocks which work within the stock geometry, I believe it just recovers a little bit of droop when using their upper control arms. Real long travel is something that completely changes the factory suspension geometry, replacing both upper and lower control arms, shocks, and front axles using a kit from Total Chaos or similar. It’s a significant cost and commitment for off-road use.

Seems like a awful lot of trouble for a little bit of lift, but I get it. You won’t see much of any travel difference between the two either with the ICON system. This goes for pretty much everything until you get into a proper +2 or +3.5 LT setup.

Let me know how much you want for the Fox shocks... ill buy the entire setup from you and throw them on my Limited.

You got it. Not sure when i'm gonna make the switch but i'll definitely let you know

 

[jplinks]

I have the AG Pro, and if it wasn't for wanting the color then I wouldn't have got the Pro.

I mean i've already ditched the wheels, the rack will be gone in a couple of weeks, and as soon as I find a good enough deal on Icon, the stock suspension will be gone too. I get that I probably threw a lot of money out the window, but I wanted the AG and some of the other features that the 2020 had.

And don't let the exhaust deter you since its such a easy fix. I swapped mine out in 30 minutes. Super easy

So for what reason did you dislike the exhaust? What did it cost you to swap out?

 

[gSwift]

So for what reason did you dislike the exhaust? What did it cost you to swap out?

You can easily find a lot of my post discussing my hatred for the exhaust, but it boiled down to the fact that I just simply didn't like the tone and drone. I've put exhausts on nearly every vehicle i've owned in the last 10 years, I just didn't care for this one. But just about everyone else thats posted in the other threads say that its okay and most of them can deal with it. I think i'm the only 2020 Pro owner so far that hated it bad enough to swap out. I'm just SUPER picky about the sounds of my exhaust systems. I wouldn't worry if I was you

As far as it costing me money, it didn't cost me a thing. Me and a fellow forum member that has a 2020 ORP (I think) traded exhausts and he gave me a little cash to boot. We had both exhausts swapped in under an hour.

 

[seasonda]

I would say for economic concerns and logical thought, get the ORP. You can use the money you saved to do tons of modifications and the car will superior comparing with the OEM pros. But if you are a lazy person, get the pro, it is already good enough...in most cases.

 

[ForRun]

I bought a 19 orp and pretty much always regretted not getting the pro. I plan on building out the pro but stock looks good enough to hold me over till I have spare cash. If you think you'll have regrets, get the pro, cant go wrong

 

[jplinks]

I bought a 19 orp and pretty much always regretted not getting the pro. I plan on building out the pro but stock looks good enough to hold me over till I have spare cash. If you think you'll have regrets, get the pro, cant go wrong

You have the Pro now? What are your thoughts on it

 

[ForRun]

You have the Pro now? What are your thoughts on it

Love it. like mentioned I don't have the need to run out and level the darn thing, when I do a simple puck will work and no need to spend 2k for decent struts. orp has horrible body roll so springs/ struts (for me) were mandatory. Eibach is supposed to come out with a pro level kit with adjustable rear springs. Most runners (not all have a bad lean on drivers side and needs a puck or strut to level it out. The fox on pro is already adjusted up front but the rear still leans. rear springs are cheap! Pro comes with remote connect, can get similar aftermarket but its a crapload of a wiring mess! The JBL is far advanced over the orp premium sound (listen for yourself). its still not top notch but again, I'm not dying to have it changed, it will last until I need to

 

[dom42]

Get the pro and then mod it. [emoji1417][emoji57]


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[RusPro17]

i appreciate all the responses, thank you!

nobody has yet to respond to this though - IF i did end up thinking Pro was right for me, should the exhaust be a deterrent? in other words if i ended up not liking it would it be an easy fix?

If you get a Pro and don’t like the exhaust change it out. No big deal. Don’t get a Pro if you plan on modding it. My 2020 AG is my second Pro. I don’t want to do the mods anymore. Did it with my Tacoma. Like the Pro just the way it is. Value wise the Pro will hold it value way more than going with the off road. I compared numbers when I traded my 17 Pro in. Got almost what I paid for it. I would have got a lot less for the off road. Comparing same year truck and mileage. And yes if I would change my mind down the road to change somethings on my Pro have no intention of trading this in this time. I told my dealer what I wanted for my 17 Pro. Dealing with my salesman. I bought my 17 Pro from same place. If I had not got want I wanted I would have just kept my 17 Pro since I owned it. Things worked out really great into my favor in moving to the 2020. Don’t over think it.

 

[jplinks]

keep in mind I myself wouldn’t be doing any of the work, so the parts PLUS labor is what It would be if I got ORP, in the end wouldn’t I most likely be in the same price range? If not more? Then if I did happen to want to get out of the vehicle in a few years it probably would be more of a “loss” - but I’m not sure.
I am not the least bit handy or mechanical whatsoever..i can definitely see how if you did the work yourself you might save $

 

[jhguth]

keep in mind I myself wouldn’t be doing any of the work, so the parts PLUS labor is what It would be if I got ORP, in the end wouldn’t I most likely be in the same price range? If not more? Then if I did happen to want to get out of the vehicle in a few years it probably would be more of a “loss” - but I’m not sure.
I am not the least bit handy or mechanical whatsoever..i can definitely see how if you did the work yourself you might save $

the list price for an ORP with KDSS and the XP package that gives you TRD wheels and front fascia is $44,590. The TRD Pro list price is $50,885.

$6k can buy you a hell of a suspension and exhaust even if you have a shop do all of the work, so now it shouldn't cost you more to modify an ORP