2020 TRD ORP - Suspension Upgrade Options

[hbrogers]

I'm considering upgrading suspension on my 2020 TRD ORP and have a few different setups in mind but want opinions on what would be appropriate given the other items I'll have loaded and other accessories I'll have on it. Goal is to keep as close to stock appearance and add least amount of added weight possible. My plan is to add the following: Slee sliders, hidden winch mount, Warn Zeon 10S platinum, small flat rack (Front Runner, Rhino, Yakima, LFD, etc...), 1up 2 bike rack, aluminum skids (wondering if this is overkill).

Any info (good and bad) you have on possible suspensions setups I list would be greatly appreciated. I'm considering the following:

- Bilstein 5100s on all four corners
-set at .85"F/stock R
-set at 1.75"F/1"R spring

- Bilstein 6112F/5100R
-set at 1.75"F/1"R

- Dobinson's
-no clue what to get that would be equivalent to Bilstein setups

What I'm wondering is what's the best for my intended purposes of riding trails like GA Traverse or the southeast sections of the Trans America Trail. This will also be a daily driver. Lastly I'd like to not have to invest in UCAs, diff drop, extended break lines, etc...

And yes, I know there is a search function and I have looked at a lot of threads/posts, but want specifics about the products I listed and for my intended purposes as well as other possible products that would give same or similar results.

 

[snowpeak]

I'm interested to hear the wisdom of the forum on this question. I have similar plans in mind, and considering the 5100s or 6112s but I also want to make sure with the added weight of my mods that I'm purchasing the right suspension components. Daily driver as well!

Can I tack on one question? MUST I replace the rear spring if rear adjustable shocks are set to 1"?

 

[hbrogers]

I'm interested to hear the wisdom of the forum on this question. I have similar plans in mind, and considering the 5100s or 6112s but I also want to make sure with the added weight of my mods that I'm purchasing the right suspension components. Daily driver as well!

Can I tack on one question? MUST I replace the rear spring if rear adjustable shocks are set to 1"?

Given my limited knowledge and from what I've read, I believe the rear shocks aren't adjustable. You'd just need specific spring to give you desired lift you're looking for.

 

[aznxpsyko]

Given my limited knowledge and from what I've read, I believe the rear shocks aren't adjustable. You'd just need specific spring to give you desired lift you're looking for.

That is correct. The fronts can be adjusted by the shock, but it's a PITA for the Bilsteins as you'd need to remove the assembly to adjust the snap rings. To add height to the rears, you need to upgrade the springs or add spacers.

I'm running a 6112/5100 set up and it's pretty good so far

 

[Danthefitman]

That is correct. The fronts can be adjusted by the shock, but it's a PITA for the Bilsteins as you'd need to remove the assembly to adjust the snap rings. To add height to the rears, you need to upgrade the springs or add spacers.

I'm running a 6112/5100 set up and it's pretty good so far

Same here. I have Kings, and the only adjustments I can make to the rears are the dampening on the resi's. Luckily rear springs are not all that expensive.

 

[sicnarfone]

I am curious to know your guys' take on 5160 vs 5100. I've read into it and understand that 5160's come with reservoir for additional oil to the shocks but at what point is it beneficial to go to 5160s from 5100. Mine is also a daily driver but do mild off-roading about twice a month.

 

[hbrogers]

Someone told me that the 5100s wouldn't handle all the accessories with the added weight I was planning on adding. Any opinions on that?

 

[SKT_07]

Subscribed, as I'm going for the 'OEM-plus look' and would like to mitigate the excessive factory rake.

Does a level/lift impact the Toyota Safety Sense (TSS) or Active Cruise Control (ACC) on the '20 4Runners?

I've heard that lifted Tacoma's are having issues...

 

[tacoyota]

You are adding quite a bit of equipment up front. I recommend going with a 2.5 inch shock up front to control and dampening. Icon/King/Fox 2.5 up front with dobinson or eibach springs front and 2.0 shocks with custom lift/rate dobinson in rear. The eibach pro kit just came out so you might want to check that out for a step up from 5100s as well. I think they are still $700 right now. The 5160's tend to leak. If you are going to fork over cash, its better to skip the upper tier bilstein and use top tier name brand shocks. As for the lift height, most people seem to be fine lifting the front 2.5 inches on stock UCA's. You may want to just lift 2 inches to be safe if you want to keep a good caster degree to prevent squirrely driving if it is your DD. Hope this helps!

 

[ForRun]

Eibach is soon to release rear adjustable hieght springs. That's what I'm waiting on to get rid of the stupid drivers side lean. My 19 was off 1/2" and the 2020 leans 3/4" in the rear

 

[FoCo-4Runner]

I've heard that lifted Tacoma's are having issues...

Tundra’s were having the same issues. It’s was what ultimately made me decide to buy another 4Runner and pull the trigger on a 19 vs 20. I didn’t want to risk having similar problems knowing I was going to immediately lift it.

Doesn’t sound like really any issues of not though in regard to TSS. The new head unit is another story though.

 

[ForRun]

. The eibach pro kit just came out

Eibach just posted yesterday. It's still in R&D. Just had his donor vehicle in his shop

 

[tacoyota]

Oh the old original version must be the ones on sale. Yes I am totally waiting on the rear adjustable solution!

 

[SKT_07]

[MENTION=165734]hbrogers[/MENTION] Any updates?

Curious on which route you are going?

 

[hbrogers]

You are adding quite a bit of equipment up front. I recommend going with a 2.5 inch shock up front to control and dampening. Icon/King/Fox 2.5 up front with dobinson or eibach springs front and 2.0 shocks with custom lift/rate dobinson in rear. The eibach pro kit just came out so you might want to check that out for a step up from 5100s as well. I think they are still $700 right now. The 5160's tend to leak. If you are going to fork over cash, its better to skip the upper tier bilstein and use top tier name brand shocks. As for the lift height, most people seem to be fine lifting the front 2.5 inches on stock UCA's. You may want to just lift 2 inches to be safe if you want to keep a good caster degree to prevent squirrely driving if it is your DD. Hope this helps!

Thanks for the input. I've been looking at doing the Fox 2.5 up front and 2.0 in the rear but would I be able to do just 2 inches up front? I'd really like to not have to spend more money on UCA but understand if that is a necessity. I definitely will need good caster since it's DD.

 

[hbrogers]

[MENTION=165734]hbrogers[/MENTION] Any updates?

Curious on which route you are going?

No updates yet. So many different routes to take I don't know which would be best. As I'll be adding bit's and pieces at a time, the only way I see to do it is buy a suspension that has stiffer springs and suffer with a less desirable ride until all the weight is added. Really don't want to do this but think it might be the only route to take.

 

[Jetboy]

Thanks for the input. I've been looking at doing the Fox 2.5 up front and 2.0 in the rear but would I be able to do just 2 inches up front? I'd really like to not have to spend more money on UCA but understand if that is a necessity. I definitely will need good caster since it's DD.

Just a bit of clarification. A fox 2.5 vs 2.0 - the number is a reference to the shock piston diameter. So a fox 2.5 means the size of the shock piston. Fox 2.5 and 2.0 front coilovers can be set at any height from stock to 3 inches of lift or more. So you could use either the 2.0 or 2.5 shocks and have a lift height at 2 inches.

There's very little information on the 2.0 fox shocks for the 4Runner. I think they're a bit too expensive for what you get. The 2.5's are a big step up into the next grade of shock and they're a lot more popular because they're competitively priced with similar offerings from others. With some minor variation - all of the 2.5 inch shocks from Fox, King, SAW, ICON are basically the same. Pick your favorite color.

For something less than that - the Bilstien 6112 are a pretty solid option that a lot of people like with a lower cost. And I wouldn't count out a twin tube shock either. Some of them can ride pretty nicely and work really well if you don't need to do high speed desert runs. Dobinsons, ARB, and others offer some pretty good stuff that is not too expensive and works well for most people's use.

Good luck.

 

[hbrogers]

Just a bit of clarification. A fox 2.5 vs 2.0 - the number is a reference to the shock piston diameter. So a fox 2.5 means the size of the shock piston. Fox 2.5 and 2.0 front coilovers can be set at any height from stock to 3 inches of lift or more. So you could use either the 2.0 or 2.5 shocks and have a lift height at 2 inches.

There's very little information on the 2.0 fox shocks for the 4Runner. I think they're a bit too expensive for what you get. The 2.5's are a big step up into the next grade of shock and they're a lot more popular because they're competitively priced with similar offerings from others. With some minor variation - all of the 2.5 inch shocks from Fox, King, SAW, ICON are basically the same. Pick your favorite color.

For something less than that - the Bilstien 6112 are a pretty solid option that a lot of people like with a lower cost. And I wouldn't count out a twin tube shock either. Some of them can ride pretty nicely and work really well if you don't need to do high speed desert runs. Dobinsons, ARB, and others offer some pretty good stuff that is not too expensive and works well for most people's use.

Good luck.

Thanks for that clarification. I figured the Fox 2.5s could be set at 2in but glad you solidified my assumption. Right now I'm guessing my picks for setup would be....

Fox 2.5 F / 2.0 R
Bilstein 6112 F / 5100 R
Dobinsons but not sure which setup

 

[Bumbo]

Just my opinion but I would have a hard time tearing apart a brand new 4Runner just to throw 5100 on them. I don’t really consider them an upgrade in capability, I consider them a good quality OE style replacement which accommodates a lift height. It’s the type of shock you buy to replacement a blown OEM shock and don’t want to buy garbage as a replacement.

I am a pretty big proponent of the 6112 for a daily driver/weekend warrior, it’s worth the extra coin over the 5100 in the front. Fox take-offs from a Pro would also be a nice find but they don’t do much for lift height adjustments.

Once you go to a performance 2.5, all other options basically feel like you bought a Monroe shock from Sears, but I also think it’s a somewhat high maintenance option unless you are really into suspension stuff and don’t mind blowing cash. 6112 gets you most of the way there without going too crazy.

 

[tacoyota]

Thanks for the input. I've been looking at doing the Fox 2.5 up front and 2.0 in the rear but would I be able to do just 2 inches up front? I'd really like to not have to spend more money on UCA but understand if that is a necessity. I definitely will need good caster since it's DD.

Sure the front coilovers are adjustable from 0 to about 3 inches. If you stay at 2 inches up front, you should not need UCAs.