2024 unchanged, as expected

[CutthroatSlam]

I didn’t say technology is less reliable. I implied new technology is less reliable. Often with new technologies there are bugs and it usually takes time to fix them. Until then it creates potential reliability problems.

I’m also not anti-technology. What I am opposed to is the over computerization of cars and almost all of it is now connected. So if there is a problem in one area it can affect the whole car. Older cars computers were generally separated. One controlled this, one controlled that and if one went bad it usually didn’t affect other parts of the car. My friend is a mechanic and owns his own shop. He tells me that half of his repairs are now computer software related. Several years ago he had to buy a $20,000 computer diagnostics machine so he can troubleshoot and fix software issues. On the cheap end they run about $5,000 for a hand held one. You can get cheaper but most just tells you what the error code is and can’t fix most software problems. So for most of us who like to go off-road want simple because you have a much higher chance to fix your problem out in the field where you can at least get it into town. I wish auto manufacturers would build them like military vehicles. The computers are sealed in a waterproof metal box. If there is a problem you unscrew it, unplug it and put the new one in and you’re good to go. It’s a 5 min job, at least with the humvees. This way you can carry a spare. Then you can send the old one to the shop and see if it can be fixed. This is the way new cars should be.

Friend bought a new Ram 1500 for his Montana home and a Ford F-350 diesel for his home and boat towing in Mount Pleasant, South Carolina. I was launching his river jet boat on upper Holter Lake on the Missouri River near Helena and was like where F is the parking brake on this Ram. Well the parking brake is electrical. It worked nicely, but I thought “great, just another thing to break.”

 

[gomiami]

Not true, dealers in two States I’ve talked to have said they’re selling all the 5th Gen 4Runners they get because no one (of this buyer population) wants the anticipated hybrid with 4 cylinder turbo. Now there could be a population that can’t wait for the 6th Gen with hybrid.

I always understood that the 6th Gen would be coming out in 2025. We did not want to risk it and bought a 2023 ORP to go with the 2014 SR5. Ironically, I the SR5 gets relegated to off-road trail duties.

True from where I sit and with whom I talk to and not true from where you sit and with whom you talk to.

I declare a draw...

 

[Lexington]

Friend bought a new Ram 1500 for his Montana home and a Ford F-350 diesel for his home and boat towing in Mount Pleasant, South Carolina. I was launching his river jet boat on upper Holter Lake on the Missouri River near Helena and was like where F is the parking brake on this Ram. Well the parking brake is electrical. It worked nicely, but I thought “great, just another thing to break.”

This is one of my point about over computerization. A mechanical lever is just fine.

Ronny Dahl, an Australian YouTuber who puts out a lot of off-roading/over landing video was predicting that in the next 5 year you won’t be able to manually select your off-road gear function and instead the computer will automatically do it for you. No thanks. It’s just more things that can go wrong. I might be ok with something like this as long there is a disable function. But again I prefer simple is better.

 

[Jeremy556]

Now there could be a population that can’t wait for the 6th Gen with hybrid.
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That's me - anxiously awaiting the release of the LC250. 465lb ft of torque and 27mpg, sign me up.

I will be keeping my 5th gen until the end of time, too

 

[Jeremy556]

I didn’t say technology is less reliable. I implied new technology is less reliable. Often with new technologies there are bugs and it usually takes time to fix them. Until then it creates potential reliability problems.

I’m also not anti-technology. What I am opposed to is the over computerization of cars and almost all of it is now connected. So if there is a problem in one area it can affect the whole car. Older cars computers were generally separated. One controlled this, one controlled that and if one went bad it usually didn’t affect other parts of the car. My friend is a mechanic and owns his own shop. He tells me that half of his repairs are now computer software related. Several years ago he had to buy a $20,000 computer diagnostics machine so he can troubleshoot and fix software issues. On the cheap end they run about $5,000 for a hand held one. You can get cheaper but most just tells you what the error code is and can’t fix most software problems. .

Even the 5th gen, if you get a CEL of any kind, your 4wd is disabled. I have always carried a cheap bluetooth OBD2 that can clear codes since I bought the 5th gen for this reason.

There is a whole slew of Chinese scan tools out now that do all the stuff the 20k snapons do for $400-$1500, and of course Techstream is still 'available' for nearly free.

 

[Lexington]

Even the 5th gen, if you get a CEL of any kind, your 4wd is disabled. I have always carried a cheap bluetooth OBD2 that can clear codes since I bought the 5th gen for this reason.

There is a whole slew of Chinese scan tools out now that do all the stuff the 20k snapons do for $400-$1500, and of course Techstream is still 'available' for nearly free.

Jeremy, can you explain more on how this work. I know that old code that are not cleared can cause problems or can it do like a computer reboot?

 

[DAW89446]

… new Terra color for TRD Pro …

2024 Toyota 4Runner Soldiers On with New Paint Color

 

[Jeremy556]

If there is anything, in any system that Toyota deems worthy of a CEL, the automatic axle disconnect in the front axle will not function until the code is cleared (so manual transfer case lever doesn't matter, no 4wd). A couple or particularly annoying examples that have happened to me:
Evap system hose between the charcoal canister and fuel tank rubbed a tiny hole in it. So every 2 drive cycles, it would perform its self test sequence, fail for not holding pressure, and turn on a CEL.
I had an ABS sensor wire also rub partially through, which was fine 99.999% of the time, except when it got totally soaked, like it does in a snow storm, so when I really needed 4hi, it wouldn't work.

I have many times considered creating a work around circuit to control the AAD without the Toyota 4wd ECU, but haven't yet.

 

[CutthroatSlam]

2024 Toyota 4Runner Soldiers On with New Paint Color

That Terra color is hideous. May finally see TRD Pros selling for below MSRP.

 

[gomiami]

That Terra color is hideous. May finally see TRD Pros selling for below MSRP.

lol, I'm not a fan of the Terra color as well.

 

[thatoneguy]

If there is anything, in any system that Toyota deems worthy of a CEL, the automatic axle disconnect in the front axle will not function until the code is cleared (so manual transfer case lever doesn't matter, no 4wd). A couple or particularly annoying examples that have happened to me:
Evap system hose between the charcoal canister and fuel tank rubbed a tiny hole in it. So every 2 drive cycles, it would perform its self test sequence, fail for not holding pressure, and turn on a CEL.
I had an ABS sensor wire also rub partially through, which was fine 99.999% of the time, except when it got totally soaked, like it does in a snow storm, so when I really needed 4hi, it wouldn't work.

I have many times considered creating a work around circuit to control the AAD without the Toyota 4wd ECU, but haven't yet.

First I've ever heard of this. And for it to kill ADD and render my "I wasn't asking" manual 4WD lever useless, that's disappointing. CELs aren't common on 5th gens, but it would sure be annoying to need 4WD and have the system lock you out of it one day.

 

[02SE]

That Terra color is hideous. May finally see TRD Pros selling for below MSRP.

LOL

I think they intentionally make the Pro available in somewhat polarizing colors. I haven't cared for VooDoo Blue, Lime rush, Solar Octane, Cement, Lunar Rock, etc.

I'd have to see the Terra color in person, but it reminds me of my Anthracite Metallic 3rd gen.

 

[ToyotFan]

I was thinking before last week that the 2024 would be the start of the next gen like it is for the Tacoma. I've been looking at the 4Runner a lot lately due to it being simple, practical, and hopefully it will live up to its reputation as being bulletproof. Glad I have another year in case I don't find the right one soon.

 

[Sonoran_Desert]

LOL

I think they intentionally make the Pro available in somewhat polarizing colors. I haven't cared for VooDoo Blue, Lime rush, Solar Octane, Cement, Lunar Rock, etc.

I'd have to see the Terra color in person, but it reminds me of my Anthracite Metallic 3rd gen.

New 2024 Pro color is a tribute to all the east coast runners - exterior matches the undercarriage rust!

 

[Humble Leader]

I hope I'm wrong. but I really do think the 5th gen 4runner will be the last great generation of the 4runner. 4 cyl turbo no thanks

 

[ToyotFan]

Yeah, I feel the same way. GM went the way of turbos when it came to their midsize SUV/Crossovers, and Ford went the same way. I just like the old school naturally aspirated engines. My wife drives the last year model of the current Acadia and the one coming out for next year will have a turbo 4 as its only engine choice.

I'm still miffed that GM decided not to bring back a rugged body on frame SUV like Ford did with their Bronco. I like GM but for a rugged SUV I'm looking at Toyota, specifically the 4Runner.