'23 4Runner or '22 Cherokee L Overland

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A decade ago I worked at a Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/RAM dealership prepping new and used vehicles for the lot. In short, a five year old Ford F-150 with 50k miles felt tighter and had a better quality feel than any new Chrysler product.
 
My 4R's reliability has been amazing, …

My 4R's stereo displayed dimmed today, …

This vehicle is slowly starting to fail/fade. I just don't want more things to fail beofre tradding it in.

… my 4Runner at 135k has items that will need to be repaired soon as well and I would rather exit the vehicle before those are needed.

Ummm … your priority is opposite of mine. Damn the stereo, I value a vehicle that will take me where I want to go and bring me home for many years and miles. At 135k miles, if you kept your maintenance up and didn’t abuse it, your 4Runner many more miles of reliable life left.
 
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I have to admit, I've never owned a 4-runner, but my 76' blazer had a roll down rear window, and to be honest I never really missed it much. I don't really understand why 4-runner people are so attached to that feature.

Lumber and any other long items you want to haul. It's the best way to have an SUV and still use it for utility.
Ambulance doors are ridiculous.
Lift windows are a compromise but you see them less and less.
 
Long items is definitely one I didn't think about, in the S10 the lift glass accommodated that fine, but yeah not an option on a lift gate.

Agree on the swing out doors, never liked them they always seem in the way. I suppose it's nice to have the spare outside the vehicle but there's dedicated solutions for that now too, and if you did a lot of camping there's some nice fold out table/shelf options for the swing out doors but they seem a little gimmicky. It's was a negative when I was looking at the GX 460.
 
Long items is definitely one I didn't think about, in the S10 the lift glass accommodated that fine, but yeah not an option on a lift gate.

Agree on the swing out doors, never liked them they always seem in the way. I suppose it's nice to have the spare outside the vehicle but there's dedicated solutions for that now too, and if you did a lot of camping there's some nice fold out table/shelf options for the swing out doors but they seem a little gimmicky. It's was a negative when I was looking at the GX 460.

Yeah. I am a woodworker on the side so if I got rid of the 4runner I'd either have to buy a trailer or get a truck. Neither really appeal to me until someone makes a really nice version of the Ford Maverick.
 
Have you checked out the Honda Ridgelines?

I have. I think they're overpriced for what you get and the Maverick actually has more rear seat space IIRC. If I were to go with the cost of a Ridgeline I would just get a mid-sized truck.

We're in no rush to buy with the way inventory and prices are right now.

With the Maverick, it would be a third vehicle as I'll always want to have a mid-sized SUV for roadtrips. I would be surprised if Ford doesn't release either a PHEV or EV version of the Maverick. This will just be an around town vehicle so it would make sense to go with ev if it happens, even if we only get 2wd in that drivetrain.
 
I have. I think they're overpriced for what you get and the Maverick actually has more rear seat space IIRC. If I were to go with the cost of a Ridgeline I would just get a mid-sized truck.

We're in no rush to buy with the way inventory and prices are right now.

With the Maverick, it would be a third vehicle as I'll always want to have a mid-sized SUV for roadtrips. I would be surprised if Ford doesn't release either a PHEV or EV version of the Maverick. This will just be an around town vehicle so it would make sense to go with ev if it happens, even if we only get 2wd in that drivetrain.
I agree, I would bet Ford is working on an EV version of the Maverick.
 
well Jeep ruined that comparison for 2023 :)

No more Trailhawk unless you get the hybrid now, and it looks like none of the other Grand Cherokee's have an off-road package available anymore. Looks like the Summit Reserve is the only one that now has the eLSD and only with 21" wheels and no more quadra-drive option for the Overland, and no 18" wheel option, 20's only. The 4xe Overland lists an option for the off-road package and eLSD though so it seems like if you want off-road features in your Grand Cherokee for 2023 you better want to pony up for the 4xe trims.

They pretty much neutered the whole lineup aside the 4xe's
 
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New 4Runner looks like a Jeep....

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