Samsquanch007
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Generally a bad idea to buy a fiat. Cool interior designs on some models but poor build quality, lousy reliability and horrible resale vale for anything but the rarest high performance stuff….
'23 4Runner or '22 Cherokee L Overland
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Titanpat57
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I can't believe your even asking that....:lookout:
westwind77
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The reliability of the 4R has been amazing. I did own a Dodge prior to this which had nothing but issues which concerns me about the Jeep.
That being said, after 10 years my Dodge frame still looked factory where my 4R frame rotted out and had to have significant repairs completed.
So, both have had some issue or another.
I did just see the FB post by Toyota with a teaser image of a 'new' SUV. So it is either the 4R or Sequoia, time will tell.
That being said, after 10 years my Dodge frame still looked factory where my 4R frame rotted out and had to have significant repairs completed.
So, both have had some issue or another.
I did just see the FB post by Toyota with a teaser image of a 'new' SUV. So it is either the 4R or Sequoia, time will tell.
AggieOE
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I would wait on the next 4Runner. Buyers remorse would really suck if you bought the GC today and they announce a great 4Runner next month.
I'm at least waiting till the announcement (whenever it comes) to decide if we upgrade to a 2022 TRDORP, a GX, or a 6th gen.
Remember, there is a reason 4Runners hold their value so well.
I'm at least waiting till the announcement (whenever it comes) to decide if we upgrade to a 2022 TRDORP, a GX, or a 6th gen.
Remember, there is a reason 4Runners hold their value so well.
westwind77
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I saw the new Sequoia and was thinking that was my next vehicle....until I saw the cargo area. What was Toyota thinking?! At first reviewers were positive, now I see the negativity showing about it. Some even suggesting others buy up the '22's for the cargo room alone.
Who knows what the new 4R will look like. If they butchered the Sequoia that much in the rear what about the 4R? It is so sad because they nailed the other 99%.
Who knows what the new 4R will look like. If they butchered the Sequoia that much in the rear what about the 4R? It is so sad because they nailed the other 99%.
I drove the JGC And it felt Heavy to me like an oversized car. It was comfortable but not as agile. Plus Jeep and FCA cannot guarantee the Uconnect service outside of 5 years That was a no brainer.when your head unit turns to a brick its no fun anymore.
westwind77
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My 4R's stereo displayed dimmed today, like it would with your lights on, I adjusted the dial but it flickered once but that was it. After a bit I gave the head unit a medium 'smack' with the palm of my hand. The unit 're-booted' and showed 4Runner and went back to being bright. This vehicle is slowly starting to fail/fade. I just don't want more things to fail beofre tradding it in.
I really wish there was SOME kinda of response/answer from Toyota on if '23 weill be a new generation or not.
I really wich Toyota would give cargo spec on the new Sequioa with the horendous cargo shelf/3rd row and that is/was perfect until seeing that.
At this rate I am very close to pulling the trigger on the Cherokkee L as my local dealer has the exact one I want in transit.
I can't imagine spending 50k+ on a 'Jeep', but I am not spending that money on a 4Runner that has not really been updated in 12 years either. Ugh, not easy to figure out.
I really wish there was SOME kinda of response/answer from Toyota on if '23 weill be a new generation or not.
I really wich Toyota would give cargo spec on the new Sequioa with the horendous cargo shelf/3rd row and that is/was perfect until seeing that.
At this rate I am very close to pulling the trigger on the Cherokkee L as my local dealer has the exact one I want in transit.
I can't imagine spending 50k+ on a 'Jeep', but I am not spending that money on a 4Runner that has not really been updated in 12 years either. Ugh, not easy to figure out.
I have a 2002 Lexus RX with 322k on it still going strong and I just traded my 2019 4Runner in a 2022.
I also have a 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee, with 200k, constant engine lights, power option issues, new rockers and lifters, multiple oil filter housings. Most of this in the last 20k. If you get a Jeep, lease it. Loved it until about 180k. I'm going to trade it in on a Toyota.
I would buy the 2022 4Runner, no question.
I also have a 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee, with 200k, constant engine lights, power option issues, new rockers and lifters, multiple oil filter housings. Most of this in the last 20k. If you get a Jeep, lease it. Loved it until about 180k. I'm going to trade it in on a Toyota.
I would buy the 2022 4Runner, no question.
westwind77
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I'm still trying my best to hold out and most likely will now that is spring/summer. However hearing that Toyota is pausing production does not make me too confident in any timely releases.
I spoke to a couple of dealerships about the '23 Sequoia and they all echoed the same thing, that they doubt they will see one until the late fall/early winter at the earliest and most likely next spring. I was told they have not even started production on them yet, from what their systems says.
They released a new Sequoia that is barely going to be on track for the '23 release. They have not even hinted about a refresh to the 4Runner so at this rate I would be shocked if one appears for the '23 MY.
As much as I don't want a Jeep with issues I also know my 4Runner at 135k has items that will need to be repaired soon as well and I would rather exit the vehicle before those are needed.
I have a feeling I will make my final decision in the late summer and plan to purchase a '23 MY of something, whether it be the Cherokee L, 4Runner, Sequoia.
I spoke to a couple of dealerships about the '23 Sequoia and they all echoed the same thing, that they doubt they will see one until the late fall/early winter at the earliest and most likely next spring. I was told they have not even started production on them yet, from what their systems says.
They released a new Sequoia that is barely going to be on track for the '23 release. They have not even hinted about a refresh to the 4Runner so at this rate I would be shocked if one appears for the '23 MY.
As much as I don't want a Jeep with issues I also know my 4Runner at 135k has items that will need to be repaired soon as well and I would rather exit the vehicle before those are needed.
I have a feeling I will make my final decision in the late summer and plan to purchase a '23 MY of something, whether it be the Cherokee L, 4Runner, Sequoia.
TacoRunn0517
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It's definitely a tough call. When I was shopping for my current 4Runner, I was really eyeing up the Grand Cherokee because I do a lot of driving. That being said, reliability is something that as once as we give it up, we notice it big time. If Grand Cherokees held their value (akin to the 4Runner), I'd say it would be easier to make a GC Purchase as getting a "Bridge" vehicle to get you, what think is, the 6th Gen Runner.
RobS10
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I love the roll down rear window, use it every day just for ventilation. Great for dogs, and great for lumber or a surfboard that's too long for the cargo area. To me it's another critical feature that sets the 4Runner apart from any other SUV. But if the new Sequoia is any kind of preview of the redesign of the 4Runner, look to Toyota dropping the roll down rear window :crybaby:.
RobS10
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What is it you're afraid is going to happen to your current 4Runner? We have had to make some to our '99 (2ooK miles), but nothing major. If it gets you to the place when you can make an informed decision, it seems like it is worth taking the chance on the new 4Runner as you seem hesitant about the Jeep. When the new 4Runner is announced, I think you'll have a better idea.
Tough call, I can say I'd never buy a Jeep as a "stop gap" vehicle, in other words if you want a 6th gen 4runner, a Jeep is going to tank in value in 2 years more than most. The only way you really make out with a Jeep is if it's what you REALLY want, you get a reliable one, and you keep it a long time because the depreciation is higher than most.
There are some alluring things about the Grand Cherokee, the v8 for one, and in the overland with the off road package an arguably better 4wd system, 1.5" more clearance, and what Toyota can't figure out yet (but prices as if they included!) creature comforts and tech....HUD, heated steering wheel, pano roof, etc. The ride and handling is much better, seats are better, stereo is very good, the cameras are MUCH better.....the only real "miss" they did was putting tons of gloss piano black in it, gets scratched to heck in a month and looks horrible.
However at this point what it seems like the 23' 4-runner is going to be the same thing the 22' was, so in that case why wait. They are only going to jack up the MSRP next year, and probably add next to nothing to it. The pace we are going I would't be surprised to see the 6th gen end up a 25' year model.
Now the 6th gen becomes more interesting because it's a wild card. If they turn it into the 23' Sequoia, add a bunch of tech which is good, but lose 25% of the cargo space for a hybrid battery, and the turbo 4cyl ends up just as neutered for power as the current 4 runner is but they add $5k to the price tag.....putting a TRD Pro over $60k......do you still want one?
The only other downside to the Jeep right now is due to part shortages, no Overlands are being made with the off-road package that gets you the eLSD and 18" wheels, beefier rear axle and skid plates.
The Bronco's are great, but the way things are going it might be 25' before they are available at even MSRP.....car flipping has become an industry, tons of people putting in reservations to flip cars now on everything, Raptors, Bronco's, ZR2's, AT4x's, anything popular people are dumb enough to pay over MSRP for. It's doing to car prices/availability what AirBnB did for home prices.
In the end between the two I think it comes down to your priorities, if you want something to Mod that's going to see tons of off roading and you don't care about creature comforts, and will drive it for 20 years the 4-runner is the clear winner, but if you want something that's much nicer to daily drive, with more tech and power, don't want to put 37" tires on it, but can still handle as much off roading as the stock 4-runner can....if not more....(the Grand Cherokee has better approach, departure, and breakover angles than even the TRD Pro) the Grand Cherokee is the winner (potential reliability aside). The reliability or lack of along with fast depreciation is the kicker with the Jeep.
Only other downside is evidently no Overland's are being built/orderable with the off-road package that gets you the beefier rear axle, eLSD, 18" wheels, and various skid plates.
There are some alluring things about the Grand Cherokee, the v8 for one, and in the overland with the off road package an arguably better 4wd system, 1.5" more clearance, and what Toyota can't figure out yet (but prices as if they included!) creature comforts and tech....HUD, heated steering wheel, pano roof, etc. The ride and handling is much better, seats are better, stereo is very good, the cameras are MUCH better.....the only real "miss" they did was putting tons of gloss piano black in it, gets scratched to heck in a month and looks horrible.
However at this point what it seems like the 23' 4-runner is going to be the same thing the 22' was, so in that case why wait. They are only going to jack up the MSRP next year, and probably add next to nothing to it. The pace we are going I would't be surprised to see the 6th gen end up a 25' year model.
Now the 6th gen becomes more interesting because it's a wild card. If they turn it into the 23' Sequoia, add a bunch of tech which is good, but lose 25% of the cargo space for a hybrid battery, and the turbo 4cyl ends up just as neutered for power as the current 4 runner is but they add $5k to the price tag.....putting a TRD Pro over $60k......do you still want one?
The only other downside to the Jeep right now is due to part shortages, no Overlands are being made with the off-road package that gets you the eLSD and 18" wheels, beefier rear axle and skid plates.
The Bronco's are great, but the way things are going it might be 25' before they are available at even MSRP.....car flipping has become an industry, tons of people putting in reservations to flip cars now on everything, Raptors, Bronco's, ZR2's, AT4x's, anything popular people are dumb enough to pay over MSRP for. It's doing to car prices/availability what AirBnB did for home prices.
In the end between the two I think it comes down to your priorities, if you want something to Mod that's going to see tons of off roading and you don't care about creature comforts, and will drive it for 20 years the 4-runner is the clear winner, but if you want something that's much nicer to daily drive, with more tech and power, don't want to put 37" tires on it, but can still handle as much off roading as the stock 4-runner can....if not more....(the Grand Cherokee has better approach, departure, and breakover angles than even the TRD Pro) the Grand Cherokee is the winner (potential reliability aside). The reliability or lack of along with fast depreciation is the kicker with the Jeep.
Only other downside is evidently no Overland's are being built/orderable with the off-road package that gets you the beefier rear axle, eLSD, 18" wheels, and various skid plates.
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RobS10
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If it's important for the OP as it is to us, one thing the Jeep will never have is a roll down rear hatch window, and now, not even the Sequoia has it. Will the 6th Gen 4Runner keep it, or go the way of the Sequoia?
I have to admit, I've never owned a 4-runner, but my 76' blazer had a roll down rear window, and to be honest I never really missed it much. I don't really understand why 4-runner people are so attached to that feature. I do understand it's handy in a garage etc. if you can't raise the lift gate. Perhaps it's because I've never had a vehicle with a full lift gate, my S10 was split with a tailgate and I never found that too annoying, except that every 2-3 years you had to replace the lift shocks.
Now what I would miss is no tailgate, I much preferred having a split liftgate/tailgate on my S10 blazer, pickup, and 76' blazer that you could drop and sit on, work on etc. without having to make room in the cargo area. I suppose the slider could work for that, but only if you have nothing in the cargo area. It's all relative though, it's also a lot nicer to not have to deal with a tailgate in the way trying to get cargo in/out. I suppose whatever we've had as a feature is easier for us to become attached to.
But lots of people get attached to a feature, when GM came out with the new pickups that didn't have a column shifter, oh my goodness guys were more upset than a baby no one had changed a diaper on for days, swearing up and down they'd never buy another GM pickup.
Now what I would miss is no tailgate, I much preferred having a split liftgate/tailgate on my S10 blazer, pickup, and 76' blazer that you could drop and sit on, work on etc. without having to make room in the cargo area. I suppose the slider could work for that, but only if you have nothing in the cargo area. It's all relative though, it's also a lot nicer to not have to deal with a tailgate in the way trying to get cargo in/out. I suppose whatever we've had as a feature is easier for us to become attached to.
But lots of people get attached to a feature, when GM came out with the new pickups that didn't have a column shifter, oh my goodness guys were more upset than a baby no one had changed a diaper on for days, swearing up and down they'd never buy another GM pickup.
RobS10
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It's a personal thing for sure. We have a dog, so kind of important when she's shoehorned in the back on a camping/road trip. I love the extra ventilation with a front window or the sunroof open, especially when the car's been sitting in the sun and want to evacuate all the hot air quick before turning on the AC.
I tried like hell to get the Cargo Deck for the faux tailgate effect. But not able to with the insane shortages these days :-(.
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