2WD versus 4WD... Help Me:

[1996_Valencia_Owen]

Did you read the part where he said he had a 2016 JK with D60s and 40s and did not enjoy going off-road. So now he wants a 4runner.

The story is fishy to me.. but I guess people are all different. I almost purchased a 2wd myself.. but I just could not do it in the end. Glad I changed my mind because I would have hated it.... at the time I was riding motos all the time off-road and figured it would meet my needs to haul those around. Things changed after I got hurt.. so the 4runner got way more off-road time than I had orginally planned for it.

I read it, but I kinda feel like he was conflating offroading and rock-crawling.

He says as much later when he says he thinks he wants to take it to campsites. Most good places, all the paved-access campsites are all taken/loud/suck/whatever, and the fire-roads or mild offroad trails lead to way-better sites.

I almost feel like a JK introduction to heavy offroading is just not the right KIND of offroading for the OP. If he got introduced via overlanding (and he seems to enjoy camping) it might be a totally different experience.

What's silly is to consider dropping a $1500-$2000 option (or whatever 4x4 is on the 5th gen) when then considering the 5-digit past expenditures on mods, and even wanting new wheels lol.

Just bite the bullet, pay the extra small cost, and recoup it later if you sell down the road?

Final thought: There are a LOT of fire-roads that actually have unexpected sections full of mud, ice, whatever, even on clear days. Much better to be prepared and not royally screwed when your mild fire-road becomes much more challenging after a storm.

I had as much of an issue in my first weekend with my TRDOR. We took it up Buttermilk Road in the Sierras, and the road started paved. Then it went to dirt, but was still easy. Passed dozens of cars/suvs of weekend rock climbers. Wanted to get a nice walk in the scenery away from the crowds of climbers, so continued on.

No more than 2 miles down the road, there was an entire section full of deep volcanic-dirt mud and a creek from fresh early spring snowmelt, and nowhere to do a U-turn that wouldn't have led to major pinstriping. So I went into 4LO and powered through. Made it, then did a u-turn in a wider spot, and powered back through again.

Would not have wanted to be in that same situation with 2WD.

 

[e60ral]

that's because most offroading in the SE is either rock crawling in OHV areas or mud holes. here in the SE, you can get down at least 90% of FS roads with anything as long as it isn't super low, it's mostly gravel or well graded and they tend to close roads if they get too rough. and roadside primitive camping is often limited, its either dispersed camping >200' from a road or limited to designated spots or developed campgrounds.

if you're not interested in OHV areas and seeking out rough roads and otherwise don't really want 4wd, I don't know if those few camping spots or rough FS roads that require it are enough of a justification.

although if someone is really dead set on the 4runner even though they just need 2wd, i think they should just go ahead and get 4wd since the resale will almost make the extra cost a wash. if you're going to deal with the compromises of an outdated vehicle with few amenities you might as well get 4wd in case you ever want it.

 

[baldrik78]

Add me to the list of people that would get a Highlander over a 4Runner, if I was looking at a 2wd option. More up-to-date interior & safety features, better mileage - they are pretty damn nice.

 

[brtnstrns]

Since you're on an "enthusiast" forum, people are going to be elitist dicks about considering a RWD truck. Don't worry about those opinions, they're just super badasses that you can't even begin to handle /s

Same kind of reactions you expect when you see someone asking about increasing MPG on a Mustang forum. People are way too cool for that stuff.

Anyway!

I bought a RWD GMC Canyon when I lived in Houston because I knew that I would never take the thing off road ever and needed a truck that was easy to maneuver so why the **** would I spend extra money on something I'd never use? That's a little bit easier of a decision because you can get even the nicer trimmed trucks in 2WD whereas the 4Runner a basic ***** in that configuration.

Once I moved to Seattle, I knew I'd be at least getting on Forest Service roads which can throw unexpected shit at you in which 4x4 could come in handy, so I went for the 4x4 Trail version. I will also state I did that for the "cool" factor as well as aesthetics though, which are important to me but may not be for other people.

Anyway, as someone who is also an avid cyclist and likes to walk wherever I can and can totally see your viewpoint, don't get the 4x4 if it provides you no additional value. If you justify it by getting a few more bells and whistles you'd enjoy and you know you'll use the cargo space and roof rack, etc - then you may want to consider getting the 4x4 if those other bells and whistles provide the value for you. Otherwise, don't chase the 4WD version just because some internet badasses feel like you're a ***** and belong in a minivan because you don't share their same priorities.

But also as others have said, maybe look outside of your area to see if you can find one priced closer to the 2WD version and then you get the extra stuff you want at a better price. Or shop other vehicles.

But yeah, don't let enthusiast internet warriors sway your opinion if you're more comfortable keeping the extra cash knowing you'll never use the extra shit that comes on the 4WD version.

 

[BigW0rm]

I drive a 4R because I like it. It suits me. I like the reliability. I like the "road presence". I like it's look. I like that it is just a little unique. I like that it is (relatively) simple. I have absolutely no real need for it. I simply prefer driving a large-ish SUV.

Same exact feeling when I drove it out the dealers lot. :cheers:

 

[Toffees]

Okay, I need some convincing here folks and the story is long--so please bear with me.

About to purchase my first 4Runner (either a 2018 SR5 Premium 2WD or a 2018 Offroad Premium 4WD).
Both are available in my two preferred colors (SR5 in Nautical Blue and ORP in Black).
The SR5 has everything I want (moonroof and no sliding cargo tray) except no 4WD.
The ORP has one thing I don't want, the rear sliding cargo tray, and another huge thing I don't want, a larger price, but it does have a moonroof, KDSS, all black interior and of course 4WD.

I am nearly done with my negotiations with the dealer and the difference is $4500.00.

Backstory...

I came out of a couple years of Jeeping. 2016 JKU Sport, bought it new, that was then built-up with Ultimate Dana 60's front and rear, EVO/King long arms and coilovers and Nitto Trail Grappler 40's with KMC Machete beadlocks. I jumped in deep. And truthfully, I didn't enjoy wheeling that much -- but I really didn't enjoy my rig as a daily driver even more. I then spent the better part of six months finding a buyer while not taking a huge financial bath -- got lucky and sold it in Feb of this year for only a 3.9k loss.

So, here's what I can say...

I am not going to mod the 4Runner beyond (maybe at that) wheels. I am not going to wheel it ever. I might find myself on gravel and a fireroad for camping. I do not intend to trade it in (famous last words I know) and just use it until it dies.
97% of my driving is small city errands, 3% highway, I average around 8-9k miles per year in a car (I mostly am a walker/cyclist ~ I know, not cool to mention at a 4Runner forum but it's true). I currently reside in Georgia but we move from time to time so there's always a chance we could relocate where there is snow but it's highly unlikely.

I also know the resale value of a 2WD is jive but again it is my intention to keep this vehicle for its life.
I also am aware that 4WD is awesome when you need it unexpectedly... but again, my brain tells me "what scenario would that be to justify the additional $4500.00? Maybe a trip north to Michigan to see my wife's family in the winter -- but we hardly ever do this and the two times we did, we flew and rented a car and it was in the dead of summer to boot."

I am also, perhaps needlessly, concerned about maintenance of the transfer case and front diff over time (or honestly, in my case, atrophy~because I would be using it so seldom) if I go the 4WD route.

So that's that...

can you give me your opinions on which direction you'd go if you were in my shoes and for what reasons?

Thanks much.

You only just sold your Jeep? Most people will be back in a 4x4, so unless you're *not* one of them, you'll buy a 2WD as a rebound vehicle then sell it within a year to buy another vehicle with 4WD.

There is a cost difference, but it's not too significant, although more pronounced between the ORP and SR5P. But either will have sufficient resale value, especially in GA.

The maintenance on your front end won't be much, provided you exercise the 4WD occasionally. You're not buying another Jeep.

You might change your mind about modding... see #1... but a stock 4R is more than capable of any medium duty adventuring, and more than most drivers can handle at any rate.

Best of luck in either case, hope you enjoy your choice.

*makes more sense if you don't leave out words like not

 

[T4 Leaf]

Okay, I need some convincing here folks and the story is long--so please bear with me.

About to purchase my first 4Runner (either a 2018 SR5 Premium 2WD or a 2018 Offroad Premium 4WD).
Both are available in my two preferred colors (SR5 in Nautical Blue and ORP in Black).
The SR5 has everything I want (moonroof and no sliding cargo tray) except no 4WD.
The ORP has one thing I don't want, the rear sliding cargo tray, and another huge thing I don't want, a larger price, but it does have a moonroof, KDSS, all black interior and of course 4WD.

I am nearly done with my negotiations with the dealer and the difference is $4500.00.

.

Backstory...

I came out of a couple years of Jeeping. 2016 JKU Sport, bought it new, that was then built-up with Ultimate Dana 60's front and rear, EVO/King long arms and coilovers and Nitto Trail Grappler 40's with KMC Machete beadlocks. I jumped in deep. And truthfully, I didn't enjoy wheeling that much -- but I really didn't enjoy my rig as a daily driver even more. I then spent the better part of six months finding a buyer while not taking a huge financial bath -- got lucky and sold it in Feb of this year for only a 3.9k loss.

So, here's what I can say...

I am not going to mod the 4Runner beyond (maybe at that) wheels. I am not going to wheel it ever. I might find myself on gravel and a fireroad for camping. I do not intend to trade it in (famous last words I know) and just use it until it dies.
97% of my driving is small city errands, 3% highway, I average around 8-9k miles per year in a car (I mostly am a walker/cyclist ~ I know, not cool to mention at a 4Runner forum but it's true). I currently reside in Georgia but we move from time to time so there's always a chance we could relocate where there is snow but it's highly unlikely.

I also know the resale value of a 2WD is jive but again it is my intention to keep this vehicle for its life.
I also am aware that 4WD is awesome when you need it unexpectedly... but again, my brain tells me "what scenario would that be to justify the additional $4500.00? Maybe a trip north to Michigan to see my wife's family in the winter -- but we hardly ever do this and the two times we did, we flew and rented a car and it was in the dead of summer to boot."

I am also, perhaps needlessly, concerned about maintenance of the transfer case and front diff over time (or honestly, in my case, atrophy~because I would be using it so seldom) if I go the 4WD route.

So that's that...

can you give me your opinions on which direction you'd go if you were in my shoes and for what reasons?

Thanks much.

Hoss,
I was in a similar position back in June (same price delta)...there are some good nuggets of advice here and some good wisecracks... So you can see from my avatar that I bought a used 2014 SR5P with 4x4....basically cuz I had a SR5 RWD budget (because I have more kids than Mrs. Wayans) ...I opted with getting what I wanted with 25K miles on it already and the risk of previous wear and tear. I'm happy with the 4x4, and am glad I did it.

Your T4R will last 4ever and you can survive a zombie apocalypse with a little OR 4X4 capability.

 

[Rightside Up]

Since you're on an "enthusiast" forum, people are going to be elitist dicks about considering a RWD truck. Don't worry about those opinions, they're just super badasses that you can't even begin to handle /s

Same kind of reactions you expect when you see someone asking about increasing MPG on a Mustang forum. People are way too cool for that stuff.

Anyway!

I bought a RWD GMC Canyon when I lived in Houston because I knew that I would never take the thing off road ever and needed a truck that was easy to maneuver so why the **** would I spend extra money on something I'd never use? That's a little bit easier of a decision because you can get even the nicer trimmed trucks in 2WD whereas the 4Runner a basic ***** in that configuration.

Once I moved to Seattle, I knew I'd be at least getting on Forest Service roads which can throw unexpected shit at you in which 4x4 could come in handy, so I went for the 4x4 Trail version. I will also state I did that for the "cool" factor as well as aesthetics though, which are important to me but may not be for other people.

Anyway, as someone who is also an avid cyclist and likes to walk wherever I can and can totally see your viewpoint, don't get the 4x4 if it provides you no additional value. If you justify it by getting a few more bells and whistles you'd enjoy and you know you'll use the cargo space and roof rack, etc - then you may want to consider getting the 4x4 if those other bells and whistles provide the value for you. Otherwise, don't chase the 4WD version just because some internet badasses feel like you're a ***** and belong in a minivan because you don't share their same priorities.

But also as others have said, maybe look outside of your area to see if you can find one priced closer to the 2WD version and then you get the extra stuff you want at a better price. Or shop other vehicles.

But yeah, don't let enthusiast internet warriors sway your opinion if you're more comfortable keeping the extra cash knowing you'll never use the extra shit that comes on the 4WD version.

OP, please don't listen to this crazy cat lady, you will end up disappointed.
:lalala:

 

[mscot]

Someone just made a good point about the zombie apocalypse.
Considering you live near CDC, I'd definitely get 4x4 - and some big zombie crushing tires and bumpers.


...wait, we don't have a zombie emoticon? what kind of person runs this board?

 

[enapa]

You don't need 4wd...... Until you don't have it.:wink2:

 

[rkwfxd]

OK OP so I have BTDT. Built a jeep up so that it would easily traverse all the black diamond / five star trails around here in So. Calif. Did that and decided it really wasn't all that much fun for me. Wife didn't care for it either.

And driving that jeep on the road just plain SUCKED!!!!!!

Sold jeep and bought a Porsche.

Couple two years go by and wife and I are realizing that while we did not miss hard core wheeling, we REALLY missed the easier, more scenic, overland type stuff.

Bought 2018 TRDORP a month ago and have taken it out twice. Lighter easier trails but still used 4X4 is a couple of places. HAD A BLAST!!!!!

Wife loved it. We will continue to use the 4X4 for these types of scenic trips and I will limit my mods to ensure I get a couple hundred thousand miles of trouble free use out of this rig and that it is always a pleasure to drive on road. (ie sub 2" lift, 275s and then just add full skids)

Point is, was it the over built jeep and extreme trails that you disliked? Or everything off pavement?

 

[mybabydaddy]

Unfortunately, you came to the wrong place to get much actual objective advice.



You do not need 4WD .. so don't buy it .. TC will take care of any need you've listed. Contrary to T4R.org popular belief, it will not make your dick bigger.



Oh, and if you're a real man, you'll not succumb to a lift and AT tires either. They do enhance your manhood at the shopping mall, but it's temporary.

...damn you philsey...



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[bigbadpoppa]

OP, please don't listen to this crazy cat lady, you will end up disappointed.
:lalala:

I stopped reading and lost all credibility for this poster when i read a GMC was purchased

 

[e60ral]

Since you're on an "enthusiast" forum, people are going to be elitist dicks about considering a RWD truck. Don't worry about those opinions, they're just super badasses that you can't even begin to handle /s

Same kind of reactions you expect when you see someone asking about increasing MPG on a Mustang forum. People are way too cool for that stuff.

Anyway!

I bought a RWD GMC Canyon when I lived in Houston because I knew that I would never take the thing off road ever and needed a truck that was easy to maneuver so why the **** would I spend extra money on something I'd never use? That's a little bit easier of a decision because you can get even the nicer trimmed trucks in 2WD whereas the 4Runner a basic ***** in that configuration.

Once I moved to Seattle, I knew I'd be at least getting on Forest Service roads which can throw unexpected shit at you in which 4x4 could come in handy, so I went for the 4x4 Trail version. I will also state I did that for the "cool" factor as well as aesthetics though, which are important to me but may not be for other people.

Anyway, as someone who is also an avid cyclist and likes to walk wherever I can and can totally see your viewpoint, don't get the 4x4 if it provides you no additional value. If you justify it by getting a few more bells and whistles you'd enjoy and you know you'll use the cargo space and roof rack, etc - then you may want to consider getting the 4x4 if those other bells and whistles provide the value for you. Otherwise, don't chase the 4WD version just because some internet badasses feel like you're a ***** and belong in a minivan because you don't share their same priorities.

But also as others have said, maybe look outside of your area to see if you can find one priced closer to the 2WD version and then you get the extra stuff you want at a better price. Or shop other vehicles.

But yeah, don't let enthusiast internet warriors sway your opinion if you're more comfortable keeping the extra cash knowing you'll never use the extra shit that comes on the 4WD version.

I feel like a bunch of 4runner owners on a 4runner forum saying the 4runner is dated and outclassed if you dont need 4wd is the complete opposite of elitist

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[brtnstrns]

I feel like a bunch of 4runner owners on a 4runner forum saying the 4runner is dated and outclassed if you dont need 4wd is the complete opposite of elitist

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I was kinda being hyperbolic but was mostly poking at the 'HURR DURR NO 4X4 GIT A MINIVAN'

 

[e60ral]

I was kinda being hyperbolic but was mostly poking at the 'HURR DURR NO 4X4 GIT A MINIVAN'

You really can't beat the utility of a minivan if 4wd is not a requirement

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[Hoss_Ballsnapper]

Point is, was it the over built jeep and extreme trails that you disliked? Or everything off pavement?

Over built Jeep was a blast for a minute -- until I was filling it up every three feet, until my wife determined she seriously disliked driving it herself on anything further than a short local errand where the speed didn't exceed 35mph, until my wife figured out how much she hated steep shelf-roads and anything that was off-camber... and until we both realized that while some of the folks we wheeled with were great and fantastic folks there was a larger majority of seriously nasty/jealous/back-stabbing morons along for the ride too.

So no, I do not dislike being off pavement but I would say, as a family, our first real deep-dive into the world of off-roading was a mixed bag.

 

[RaefordWall]

Over built Jeep was a blast for a minute -- until I was filling it up every three feet, until my wife determined she seriously disliked driving it herself on anything further than a short local errand where the speed didn't exceed 35mph, until my wife figured out how much she hated steep shelf-roads and anything that was off-camber... and until we both realized that while some of the folks we wheeled with were great and fantastic folks there was a larger majority of seriously nasty/jealous/back-stabbing morons along for the ride too.

So no, I do not dislike being off pavement but I would say, as a family, our first real deep-dive into the world of off-roading was a mixed bag.

Have you considered a new Nissan Pathfinder? They've definitely gone into full crossover mode, but the price isn't bad at all for a basic 4wd SUV. I got one as a rental vehicle this past summer and it drove very nicely on the highway and had a nicer interior than my 2017 4Runner.

 

[Hoss_Ballsnapper]

Have you considered a new Nissan Pathfinder? They've definitely gone into full crossover mode, but the price isn't bad at all for a basic 4wd SUV. I got one as a rental vehicle this past summer and it drove very nicely on the highway and had a nicer interior than my 2017 4Runner.

No, haven't even looked at them to be perfectly honest (really more or less have brain-lock on Toyota as a brand and 4R as a model because of their legendary reputation)... will do so, thanks for the heads-up.

 

[RaefordWall]

No, haven't even looked at them to be perfectly honest (really more or less have brain-lock on Toyota as a brand and 4R as a model because of their legendary reputation)... will do so, thanks for the heads-up.

I totally understand. Pretty much all of my family have exclusively owned Toyota's and Nissan's for as long as I can remember, so they've been brand favorites 1a and 1b for me at least. My last vehicle was a base model Nissan Frontier that I bought brand new and it drove like a champ with no real issues for 7 years....but I felt the allure of the 4Runner so I had to make the switch, haha.

I see that you're in Georgia, so one suggestion I'd like to make is to explore the dealerships in the northern Virginia/DC area. There is a ton of inventory and it's a very competitive market. You could probably get a 4wd model comparable to the 2wd Premium you were quoted for around the same price at your local dealership. I'd be happy to help if you need any intel on the dealerships up here!