3rd Gen vs 2nd Gen?

Dementedfish

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Hi guys, I'm looking for a new 4runner as some drunk a$$hole hit mine and totaled it. I had a 97 but I'm looking at possibly getting a 2nd gen, but was wondering what your thoughts were on reliability versus the 3rd gen runners. Is it worth it to spend the couple extra bucks and find a 3rd gen in good condition or will the 2nd gens be just fine? My main thing is reliability since I use this for off-road use and use it for work. Thanks.
 
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I know people more knowledgeable than me will chime in but one big thing is the 3.4 motor is a more reliable motor than the 3.0.
The 3.0 is a weaker motor that is prone to head gasket failures. Thats what I was told when I was looking.
 
The 3VZ-FE in the V6 2nd gens is considered less reliable (head gasket failures in particular), and I've heard that the 3rd gens have a better time with rust, though that could just be the difference in age, since any 2nd gen is obviously going to have a few more years on it.

If reliability is your top priority, 3rd gen seems pretty straightforward. And money-wise, you could probably put more down on a 3rd gen and still come out ahead in the long run due to maintenance.
 
I've had 3 2nd gens (92 and 2 95s) and 3 3rd gens (98, 01, 02). The 3rd gens are better trucks by far. The 3.0 in the 2nd gens is terribly anemic and has about a 100% head gasket failure rate (often multiple times). The 3.4 is a much more reliable engine, and has much more power (though still a little anemic, it's far more powerful than the 3.0). The 2nd gen transmissions are also known to have overheating problems (the temp light comes on). The 2nd gens also don't have airbags. The suspension on the 2nd gens is torsion bar and is harder to lift. The 3rd gens ride much better both on and off road, and have more room inside, and more towing capacity (3500 vs 5000 lbs). I could go on, but the bottom line is - get a 3rd gen.
 
I have had 4 2nd gen's 91 92 94 95 (one original owner 22re 5speed) and 2 3rd gen's 96, 97 (one original owner 3rz 5speed elocked)

for me a 2nd gen is a better bush truck
i don't even look at the v6 in any of the gens so that's not a problem for me,
2nd gen has got the 22re, 3rd gen has got the 3rz. so both are fine.
both can be had in 4cyl ^ so that takes care of the V6 problem.
both can be had in 5speeds so that takes care of the lifeless auto problem.
I personally like the body styling of the 2nd gen much more, Plus the real TAILGATE is a BIG advantage to the 2nd. The sr5 seats in a 2nd gen are a bit better than a 3rd gen. but the 3rd gen can be had in an locker

again IMO a 2nd is a better truck for me. (lol this is coming from a guy with a built 3rd)
 
Actually, the 3.0 V6's reputation tends to get exaggerated on forums. All truck V6's from the late 80's/early 90's were gutless. Drive a Nissan or Isuzu from the same era and you will realize this. I know people that haven't had head gasket problems with their 3.0's too. I'm not saying that they don't have head gasket problems, but with routine maintenance they can serve you well. These 2nd gens are 19+ years old and can be obtained for cheap. Nobody knows what has happened with that 1993 4Runner you picked up on craigslist for $1200. If the head gasket goes then oh well. It is still a 20+ year old truck after all. The 22RE is even more gutless than the V6.
 
Actually, the 3.0 V6's reputation tends to get exaggerated on forums. All truck V6's from the late 80's/early 90's were gutless. Drive a Nissan or Isuzu from the same era and you will realize this. I know people that haven't had head gasket problems with their 3.0's too. I'm not saying that they don't have head gasket problems, but with routine maintenance they can serve you well. These 2nd gens are 19+ years old and can be obtained for cheap. Nobody knows what has happened with that 1993 4Runner you picked up on craigslist for $1200. If the head gasket goes then oh well. It is still a 20+ year old truck after all. The 22RE is even more gutless than the V6.

well said!

but I don't care if the 22re is gutless its an offroad truck not a sports car it gets me where I want to go.
 
As far as the motors go, I've had the 22re in a 1994 regular cab truck (on 31x10.5's) and the 3.0 in a 1993 extended cab truck (on 33x12.5's, and the previous owner had the motor rebuilt due to head gasket issues) and the 3.4 currently in the T4R on 265/75's. No question that the 3.4 is the clear winner. In both pickups I had, the rear end was re-geared to help the motors not be complete dogs, and the 3.0 was definitely preferred power wise. Both were 5 speed, so that helped quite a bit too I'm sure. I drove a friend's bone stock 1991 5 speed pickup (on 30x9.5's) with the 3.0 and the stock gearing made that thing slower than my 22re! The reliability is legendary for the 22re, so it makes either motor on the 2nd gen a give & take as far as pros & cons.
 
Here's the poop on the 3.0 - some of them came off the factory line with bad head bolt torque, leading to blown gaskets in the first couple years. This was the reason for the recall. By now, any 3.0 that came off the line with bad head bolt torque has either been recalled and fixed, or had the head gasket blow and been fixed. But that's not the end of the story - the reason 3.0s are still blowing head gaskets anyway is due to the exhaust crossover coming a little close to the head, and over time cooking the head gasket right by cylinder six. This can be fixed by wrapping/insulating the crossover, or installing aftermarket headers. So don't be scared of the 3.0 blowing a gasket for no reason - the reasons are in fact well understood and preventable. Personally, I'd avoid the 3.0 for being such a PITA to work on though. One look at the mess of vacuum lines under that hood and I quake in fear. I'll take a 5vze or 22re any day over a 3vze.

Second Gen - 22RE or 3VZE, torsion bar front end is super easy to get as much lift as you want, the front diff is much easier to regear, obviously you're not going to pay as much for the truck. Third Gen - 5VZE or 3RZ (both of which are more powerful than their predecessors, and just as reliable as the 22RE), front suspension is a better configuration for ride comfort but a little more expensive to get moderate to high lift from, bonuses like a factory elocker or a multimode case are available, the interior is a little more refined, etc.

Dimensions-wise, the 3rd gen is just slighty wider and longer than the 2nd, and at stock height sits just a tad lower, not really enough to make a difference. There's more aftermarket offroady goodies available for the 3rd gen, but they'll generally cost more. There's also more bolt-on performance mods for the 3rd gen motors.

I can't think of any other major differences. Really, it comes down to your priorities and what deals you can find to get you your bang for the buck. If you're going to really abuse it on the trails, I'd go with the second gen for sure. If you plan on logging lots of highway miles and will only see moderate offroad, I'd wait for a deal on a third gen. But you can't really go wrong with either as long as you're smart about what truck you buy. Good luck with your search.
 
Here's the poop on the 3.0 - some of them came off the factory line with bad head bolt torque, leading to blown gaskets in the first couple years. This was the reason for the recall. By now, any 3.0 that came off the line with bad head bolt torque has either been recalled and fixed, or had the head gasket blow and been fixed. But that's not the end of the story - the reason 3.0s are still blowing head gaskets anyway is due to the exhaust crossover coming a little close to the head, and over time cooking the head gasket right by cylinder six. This can be fixed by wrapping/insulating the crossover, or installing aftermarket headers. So don't be scared of the 3.0 blowing a gasket for no reason - the reasons are in fact well understood and preventable. Personally, I'd avoid the 3.0 for being such a PITA to work on though. One look at the mess of vacuum lines under that hood and I quake in fear. I'll take a 5vze or 22re any day over a 3vze.

I thought the 3VZ's head gasket recall was caused by a poor head gasket design/material. The head bolt torque issue you are speaking of is what caused a head gasket recall on a small number of ~95.5-96 5VZ's. I believe it was an external leak where you could see coolant seeping out. That 5VZ issue would have been resolved years ago when the trucks were brand new. I do agree that if I had a 3.0, I would install headers.
 
I thought the 3VZ's head gasket recall was caused by a poor head gasket design/material.

I've heard that, but I've never seen it confirmed? The story goes that the motor was originally designed to use an asbestos gasket, which would have performed better and made the close crossover pipe not a problem, but Toyota wasn't allowed to use the asbestos gasket or decided not to or something and the rest is history. But that's just speculation as near as I can tell, I don't know if it's true or how we'd find out if it was.

Did the early 5VZE have a recall too? I know for sure the 3VZE did, for head bolt torque, did they make that mistake twice?
 
I hope you posted in the 2nd gen section too. That way you can get an unbiased opinion.

I will say this, I know really nothing about the 2nds, other than what my buddy said about the heads being a different metal than the block and it's what causes the head gaskets to go like they normally do. I almost got a nice 95, they are good trucks just like any other older vehicle from Toyota, not saying the newer ones aren't bad. I love working on my own truck and they are such a forgiving engine, and they have so much aftermarket support for bumpers, suspension and so on. It really depends on what you want man, because at the end of the day it's your truck, and you drive it. So get what you're happy with.

Have you looked at the first gens at all?
 
When i was shopping last year i looked at 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gens. I found the 2nd gen to feel much more spartan inside and had more of a tin-can feel to the cab, where the 3rd gen had a more solid feel with many more refinements, though not so many as to take away the off-road vibe.

My truck is a dd with hopes of frequent off road and for me the 3rd gen won hands down for that role.

For a strictly off road truck, however, the 2nd gen has a lot going for it.
 
The 3rd gen is also a much safer vehicle, being built on the same chassis platform as a Prado, and having features like driver/passenger airbags.

Qutoing Wikipedia:

Both the first and second generation 4Runners became targeted as unsafe SUVs. 1980s and early-1990s US crash regulations were not very strict for light trucks, and all early model 4Runners were fitted with doors that offered little protection in the event of a side collision. In most areas, there was little more than two pieces of sheetmetal and the window to keep incoming vehicles from impacting passengers. The crash test rating for the second generation 4Runner was one star for the driver's side in a frontal collision although the passenger side got a 4 star rating. Later, more stringent crash regulations mandated doors that offered as much protection as passenger car doors.
The most common accusations, however, were that 4Runners (and other narrow-track SUVs of the time) were prone to rollovers. Many light SUVs of the time featured comparatively high centers of gravity and, given the right situations, could be flipped over. Whether or not this is a serious road hazard is dependent on many parameters, including the speed of the vehicle, the tires fitted to the vehicle, the road surface, and the driver's ability to predict and correct for situations that may result in a rollover. Third generation 4Runners were designed with a wider track, but it is unclear if this was directly in response to increased pressure from safety groups, or if it was simply a product engineering decision.
 

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