40 MPH Up Hill On the Highway

Nodd

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I just brought a '95 4Runner V6 with 144,000 miles. Today I drove her on a moderately hilly highway for around 30 miles. The truck seems to be lacking in power big time. I can hear the valves knocking harshly whenever I put my foot down & on one long hill she dropped to an embarrassing 40 mph & then proceeded to blow the pressure cap on the radiator. Had to pull over for an hour to let her cool down & add about half a gallon of water.

So basically the engine is a dog & overheats. The previous owner installed a new timing belt & water pump, presumably to help address these two issues. Any ideas what I should do other than return the vehicle?
 
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I just brought a '95 4Runner V6 with 144,000 miles. Today I drove her on a moderately hilly highway for around 30 miles. The truck seems to be lacking in power big time. I can hear the valves knocking harshly whenever I put my foot down & on one long hill she dropped to an embarrassing 40 mph & then proceeded to blow the pressure cap on the radiator. Had to pull over for an hour to let her cool down & add about half a gallon of water.

So basically the engine is a dog & overheats. The previous owner installed a new timing belt & water pump, presumably to help address these two issues. Any ideas what I should do other than return the vehicle?

Thats pretty much your stock standard 3vze V6 right there. Although it shouldnt really overheat like that. Mine gets down to about 40mph up steep highway inclines, I have to drop back to third gear. But mine has bigger than stock tires that might cause some of that.

How many RPM's were you doing up the hill to get it to boil the radiator? I rarely take mine over 3500 these days for that exact reason. The Head Gasket will blow if you keep cooking it and thats a pretty big job to get fixed.

I always regret not doing my research and buying a 4runner that was at least 2 years newer. 96-02 models look identical but have the 3.4L engine with way more power, better fuel economy and no HG issues. But I wanted a 5 speed and not a crappy auto. I couldnt find a newer one with manual transmission (do they even exist?)
 
I'm running 31" tires. Mine is an automatic. I turned the overdrive off a little way up the hill. As the speed started to fade I think she eventually dropped all the way down to second gear doing around 4000 rpm. I've driven many other 4x4s & SUVs up that same hill, some dropped to maybe 50mph. This is by far the slowest of any ride I've owned. I can't believe this is normal for a 4Runner. Ouch.
 
Even tho' it's only a 33hp increase the 3rd gen's increase in size and efficiencly really helped with making it more of a reasonable engine for a 4000lb 4Runner.
Just yesterday my GF's niece's boyfriend revved at me at a stoplight with his '94 V6 Runner and I pulled away from him quite easily once the light turned green and my '99 feels SLOW.
 
^ How does that help answer the OP's question ??

Nodd, you may want to start by getting your cooling system checked.
It shouldn't be overheating like that.
 
Yeah I think its time to visit the shop & have her checked out. She has a number of issues including overheating, excessive knocking, hesitation, lack of power, unreliable idle & so on. Looking forward to getting her running right so I can post some happier stuff here. Thanks for your time.
 
Hey man, I can feel your pain. I live in Park City, Ut. and have to commute to Salt Lake everyday. It is a 30 mile uphill commute on the way back up I-80 UT. You've probably never been here but it about a 4k ft difference between the two. ANYWAYS, my trick to keep at least the speed limit is to kick it out of overdrive. You'll be sitting at around 4-4500 rpm, but you won't be going 40 mph. Once you come to the apex of the hill always kick the O/D back on and let the engine cool back down.

Per your question- Have you checked that your air filter is clean? I don't know where it is on the 95, but assuming it's the same as the 94 when you pop the hood it'll be front right in a black box with a tube coming out of it. It'll also have snap clamps holding the lid on it (3 I believe)
 
Hey man, I can feel your pain. I live in Park City, Ut. and have to commute to Salt Lake everyday. It is a 30 mile uphill commute on the way back up I-80 UT. You've probably never been here but it about a 4k ft difference between the two. ANYWAYS, my trick to keep at least the speed limit is to kick it out of overdrive. You'll be sitting at around 4-4500 rpm, but you won't be going 40 mph. Once you come to the apex of the hill always kick the O/D back on and let the engine cool back down.

Per your question- Have you checked that your air filter is clean? I don't know where it is on the 95, but assuming it's the same as the 94 when you pop the hood it'll be front right in a black box with a tube coming out of it. It'll also have snap clamps holding the lid on it (3 I believe)

Funny you should mention it but I have been to Salt Lake City. Awesome scenery & yes I can imagine there's some SERIOUS hill climbs there. On larger hills I do drop it out of overdrive, then the valves start knocking then clouds of steam & boiling & that wonderful sweet antifreeze smell-o-doom ensues... :sobbing:

I'll give the air filter a look although the truck is scheduled to go to the shop this Monday so will have to see what they find. I can likely live with the poor performance but the overheating has to be addressed. Thanks for the suggestions. Cheers,
 
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You mentioned that the prior owner installed a new timing belt. Was that recently? You might want to check that the belt isn't one tooth off.
 
Thats pretty much your stock standard 3vze V6 right there. Although it shouldnt really overheat like that. Mine gets down to about 40mph up steep highway inclines, I have to drop back to third gear. But mine has bigger than stock tires that might cause some of that.

How many RPM's were you doing up the hill to get it to boil the radiator? I rarely take mine over 3500 these days for that exact reason. The Head Gasket will blow if you keep cooking it and thats a pretty big job to get fixed.

I always regret not doing my research and buying a 4runner that was at least 2 years newer. 96-02 models look identical but have the 3.4L engine with way more power, better fuel economy and no HG issues. But I wanted a 5 speed and not a crappy auto. I couldnt find a newer one with manual transmission (do they even exist?)

I disagree my v6 goes just fine up hill pulling a fully loaded popup doing 65....
something is wrong.. you wont win any races but there not that bad.
 
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I disagree my v6 goes just fine up hill pulling a fully loaded popup doing 65....
something is wrong.. you wont win any races but there not that bad.

Okay so there is hope then. Good to know. Thanks,
 
I have the same 95 3vze w/ auto tranny and it's a dog on long hills. When I pull my small 14 1/2' aluminum boat on the hilly back roads, it overheats too. This engine is known to be an under powered gas guzzler. The fellow who says he goes 65 up hills, I wonder if he has the 3.0. By the way the valve ticking noise is normal for that engine and it is because one side of the engine isn't shielded and is just noisy, I'm told it's nothing to worry about.
 
Start by checking if the ECM has stored any error codes. Your 95 is OBD-I so no scanner is needed.

I have a bad ECM in my 95 right now. It's shooting up a code 52 and it drives EXACTLY how you described your truck driving. When I swapped over to a working ECM that was California spec, to check the ECM, my truck jumped to life and no more power issues. My idiot light was still on, but I read the code to be the sub-heated oxygen sensor (which my truck does NOT have). The non-California spec ECM should be in tomorrow for my T4R. Maybe you have a bad ECM as well, and you should hope so: replacements for $75 on eBay. :lookout:
 
The 3.Slow is, as stated, an underpowered gas hog. With your symptoms, though, I'm amazed no one has suggested the other notorious problem with these motors...HEAD GASKETS. The problems you described, especially the overheating and blowing the radiator, are classic blown head gaskets.

Sorry. :(
 
You mentioned that the prior owner installed a new timing belt. Was that recently? You might want to check that the belt isn't one tooth off.

I agree with this. Find out who did the work. We had an Infiniti we got from an auction that ran just fine. It had just had the timing belt done. We drove it about 200 miles and it jumped a tooth. It was making no power and had all of the exact symptoms you describe. One minute it was fine, one minute later it felt like the thing had dropped 50 horsepower.

We ended up bringing it back and getting our money back thank goodness. It was just a cheap timing belt job they did before sending it off to auction. If they had taken their time and done it right we never would have been in that mess. People do timing belts themselves and don't line things up right and it makes a huge difference.
 
I just bought a 95 and had a similar experience on my way up to Santa Fe from Albuquerque. It didn't overheat, but MAN it came close! Today she drank a half gallon of antifreeze. We'll see what that does.

Is it common for the 3.0's temp. to hang out at about 80-90% of the "normal" heat range? I know it's a real gauge as opposed to a dummy gauge which are common on newer cars.

I'll look into getting a new EGR and see if that helps the lack of power at higher speeds. I'll admit I thought it was a downgrade, at highway speeds, from the 89 190E I was driving, but I'm glad to hear there is hope.
 
Right after I got my 4Runner (1990, V6, 5spd, 4.56 gears, 31" tires) I took it on a trip up to the hills. There is a climb on CA 108 near Twain Harte that I have never thought of as steep before, but my 4Runner was down to 3rd gear chugging along at 45mph if I was lucky. I really questioned my purchase at that point, fearing the little truck was going to self destruct every time I wanted to go play in the mountains. It may have been able to go a wee bit faster than 45mph, but I didn't want to push things. I did not have any issues with overheating.

Shortly after that trip I did a basic tune-up: spark plugs, ignition wires, distributor cap, rotor and I cleaned my K&N air filter. I made another trip up that hill in very similar weather conditions (mid 80s, air conditioner off for the climb). When the hill approached just east of Soulsbyville I down shifted into 4th gear and tried to pick up as much speed as I could for the grade. To my surprise, I never dropped below 55mph nor shifted out of 4th gear.

The tune-up helped I am sure, but technique did just as much. The 4Runner of that era is a good example of a momentum vehicle, that is to say they do not easily gain momentum so be sure not to lose any! The 3.0L 4Runner will never win a race or climb hills with authority, but there are simple things you can try in order to get its performance back to stock levels again. Before my tune-up I was getting about 14.5mpg, and afterwards I get anywhere from 16.5mpg to 17.2mpg.

For me the hardest thing has to be changing my driving style when I get into the 4Runner. My other "transportation" will pull the same hill in 6th gear at any speed I would like it to. There have been times I had a vehicle get in my lane, slowing me down to 40mph and then when it moved back into the slow lane I could easily accelerate to 120+ if I wanted to (which I have never wanted to - that's way too fast!). Oh, the joy of owning a sport bike. :cool:
 
I just bought a 95 and had a similar experience on my way up to Santa Fe from Albuquerque. It didn't overheat, but MAN it came close! Today she drank a half gallon of antifreeze.

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Mine was drinking the antifreeze like this (but not overheating) right before the head gasket blew so that might be on the way out. 8(
 

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