4Runner in snow?

Conrad

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I am a 4 runner newbie. I plan to purchase my 4 runner in the next couple of weeks. I live in New Hampshire where there is lots of ice and snow in the winter. I have always been a Subaru guy (which is awesome in the snow)but I am disapointed with some of the repair bills $430 at 36.5K.

I use to own a 4x4 Ranger which was ok in the snow but sometimes would get stuck in the snow/ice filled driveway. Just the other day I saw a 4x4 pilot having a lot of trouble going up on an snowy driveway.

My question to you guys is

Do you think the 4R 4x4 system does well in the snowwant to own SR5 or Trail?

How nice does the trail trim ride on the paved road?

Thanks

Conrad
 
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IMHO. It is good on snowy driveway. Clearance is good for snowy roads. But any FWD car will bit it in handling on snowy road. As for myself, it gives me security that if I drive off the road I will be able to drive off the ditch myself.
 
alot of factors play into driving in the snow, i'd argue more so than any other style of driving. the following is simply based on my experience of driving in the snow.

1) tires:
-dedicated snow tires will always provide better traction and stopping power than all-seasons. combine snow tires with chains in extremely heavy conditions and i dont see why you wouldnt be able to get where you want to.

2) driving style:
-i'd say that driving style is number two in importance on the drive in snow list. being aware of conditions and always being a step ahead will help you avoid accidents as well as getting stuck. another thing with driver awareness is being aware of the cars around you. if you notice the car infront of you having trouble stopping or if the car is sliding around, leave more distance between you and the car. that way it will give you time to do an evasive manuever or come to a stop.
-also be aware of the vehicle behind you. if he/she is being an idiot and following too close, chances are that they will slam into the back of you. another reason why leaving alot of space between you and the vehicle infront is so that you can have enough room to safely stop and hopefully not have the idiot behind you rear end you.
-the 4Runner will be heavier than any subaru you have ever owned so get used to the idea that longer braking distance will be required to come to a complete stop. the heavy mass of the 4Runner will definetly cause the truck to slide forward if you do slam on the brakes, however the traction control system will hopefully help you maintain a direct course and come safely to a stop.
-if you're worried about people rear ending you this product might help save the day (SUPERBUMPER Hitch Step - Stops Rear End Collision Damage.). basically it is a shock absorbing hitch step which fits onto any stock 2 inch hitch. it could potentially save you from alot of rear end damage should someone slide into you.

3)lastly:
-avoid driving if you can, especially in heavy snow. now i know i'll probably get flamed for this one but in times of heavy snow or terrible weather or both, its probably better to stay at home if you can and drive only when necessary. this will reduce your chances of wrecking a brand new 4runner.
-i enjoy playing in the snow with trucks as much as the next guy but sometimes its just smarter to stay off the roads.


since you're coming from a subaru which has symetrical AWD, it might be better to get the limited as apposed to the sr5 or trail, if budget permits. the limited has a full-time 4wd system which will engage traction control measures without you really having to do much. the sr5 and trail have a manual transfer case which requires you to physically shift the car into 4wd (high or low) in order to put the truck into 4x4 mode.

whatever flavour you do go with i'm sure you'll be happy with a 4Runner. :D

edit:

i own a trail and it rides very nicely on pavement. i was actually surprised at how well mannered it was in the corners and on long stretches of highway. the kdss definetly does play a role i believe in that ride quality.
 
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alot of factors play into driving in the snow, i'd argue more so than any other style of driving. the following is simply based on my experience of driving in the snow.

1) tires:
-dedicated snow tires will always provide better traction and stopping power than all-seasons. combine snow tires with chains in extremely heavy conditions and i dont see why you wouldnt be able to get where you want to.

2) driving style:
-i'd say that driving style is number two in importance on the drive in snow list. being aware of conditions and always being a step ahead will help you avoid accidents as well as getting stuck. another thing with driver awareness is being aware of the cars around you. if you notice the car infront of you having trouble stopping or if the car is sliding around, leave more distance between you and the car. that way it will give you time to do an evasive manuever or come to a stop.
-also be aware of the vehicle behind you. if he/she is being an idiot and following too close, chances are that they will slam into the back of you. another reason why leaving alot of space between you and the vehicle infront is so that you can have enough room to safely stop and hopefully not have the idiot behind you rear end you.
-the 4Runner will be heavier than any subaru you have ever owned so get used to the idea that longer braking distance will be required to come to a complete stop. the heavy mass of the 4Runner will definetly cause the truck to slide forward if you do slam on the brakes, however the traction control system will hopefully help you maintain a direct course and come safely to a stop.
-if you're worried about people rear ending you this product might help save the day (SUPERBUMPER Hitch Step - Stops Rear End Collision Damage.). basically it is a shock absorbing hitch step which fits onto any stock 2 inch hitch. it could potentially save you from alot of rear end damage should someone slide into you.

3)lastly:
-avoid driving if you can, especially in heavy snow. now i know i'll probably get flamed for this one but in times of heavy snow or terrible weather or both, its probably better to stay at home if you can and drive only when necessary. this will reduce your chances of wrecking a brand new 4runner.
-i enjoy playing in the snow with trucks as much as the next guy but sometimes its just smarter to stay off the roads.


since you're coming from a subaru which has symetrical AWD, it might be better to get the limited as apposed to the sr5 or trail, if budget permits. the limited has a full-time 4wd system which will engage traction control measures without you really having to do much. the sr5 and trail have a manual transfer case which requires you to physically shift the car into 4wd (high or low) in order to put the truck into 4x4 mode.

whatever flavour you do go with i'm sure you'll be happy with a 4Runner. :D

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i own a trail and it rides very nicely on pavement. i was actually surprised at how well mannered it was in the corners and on long stretches of highway. the kdss definetly does play a role i believe in that ride quality.

I've got a 2010 Limited, and I have no problems with it in the snow (the little it's seen in TN, GA, KY, and IN. When we went to drop off our duramax I had no problems with acceleration and deceleration, however my husband was half sideways in the diesel with 4x4 engaged going down the road, and I never touched the traction control nor the center diff lock. I'm originally from the PNW, so snow really has never bothered me.
 
JCA - completely agree, especially with driving style as most people (especially here in SoCal) who have AWD/4WD think they can drive in the snow/ice like it was a summer day. there are idiot drivers here when it snows.

Conrad - we've been blessed here in Cali with the return of el nino. i've taken my runner up to mammoth several times this year during and after the dumps and it's handled like a dream. i only had to lock the center diff once and have complete confidence driving it in the snow.

Get one!
 
driving style is definitely important. i was able to get thru a foot of snow with my corolla! people were shocked and thought I was crazy when i told them. drive smart and it doesnt matter what suv or car you have.
 
driving style is definitely important. i was able to get thru a foot of snow with my corolla! people were shocked and thought I was crazy when i told them. drive smart and it doesnt matter what suv or car you have.

you just look much better doing it in a 4Runner :reddance:
 
I am a 4 runner newbie. I plan to purchase my 4 runner in the next couple of weeks. I live in New Hampshire where there is lots of ice and snow in the winter. I have always been a Subaru guy (which is awesome in the snow)but I am disapointed with some of the repair bills $430 at 36.5K.

I use to own a 4x4 Ranger which was ok in the snow but sometimes would get stuck in the snow/ice filled driveway. Just the other day I saw a 4x4 pilot having a lot of trouble going up on an snowy driveway.

My question to you guys is

Do you think the 4R 4x4 system does well in the snowwant to own SR5 or Trail?

How nice does the trail trim ride on the paved road?

Thanks

Conrad

We have a lot of Toyotas and Subarus in immediate and extended family. Both can have repair bills outside of warranty and I'm not seeing the newer Toyotas have the lendary perfection my 3rd generation 4 Runner has.

As far as snow. If it's a deep nasty situation a vehicle like my 3rd gen with AT tires, lockers, higher clearance and lighter weight wins. If it's general moving around in slippery stuff it seems like nothing or close to nothing beats the Subarus. I used to spend up to a few months a year in the Tetons and nothing got up the pass like Subarus, and you can see youtube videos on their traction.

The 5th generation 4Runner is a great vehicle but it's not small, not light and is more like a very well behaved truck-like vehicle than a car. We thought buying it was almost a given but have stepped back after testing the new larger Outbacks.

Sometimes Toyota changes the packages and options after first model year and I don't like the Subaru not having a temp gauge I think I'd wait if my current 4R didn't need brakes and shocks.
 
Another important factor is the weight of the vehicle. Just because a vehicle is AWD/4WD doesn't mean it will perform well in snow. I know someone who owned a AWD Saturn Vue and he had a terrible time in the snow because he said it was too light.
 
Do you think the 4R 4x4 system does well in the snowwant to own SR5 or Trail?

Both SR5 and Trail models have part time 4WD. This means you will have a locked center differential when in 4WD. This is not the best for stability control when driving in snow. It will work great for initial traction when starting from a stop, but the driving dynamics and control are compromised once moving. I know in 4th Gen trucks, VSC is turned of when the center diff is locked. There is not much VSC can do when both axles are forced to turn at the same speed.

The 5th Gen Limited has a Torsen differential, so it functions as a full time 4WD system. This is the best setup for safe driving on the snow. You will still have 4 wheel traction and the ability to lock the diff when needed.

So, if handling in the snow is a priority, and it most likely is in New England, you might want to pony up for a Limited.
 
Both SR5 and Trail models have part time 4WD. This means you will have a locked center differential when in 4WD. This is not the best for stability control when driving in snow. It will work great for initial traction when starting from a stop, but the driving dynamics and control are compromised once moving. I know in 4th Gen trucks, VSC is turned of when the center diff is locked. There is not much VSC can do when both axles are forced to turn at the same speed.

The 5th Gen Limited has a Torsen differential, so it functions as a full time 4WD system. This is the best setup for safe driving on the snow. You will still have 4 wheel traction and the ability to lock the diff when needed.

So, if handling in the snow is a priority, and it most likely is in New England, you might want to pony up for a Limited.

:iagree: 100% You've been spoiled by the Subie's in terms of having AWD. Once you've had that going back to a part-time system will leave you 'wanting'.

As Rook said, "pony up for a limited". Look for a demo to knock off a few $k. The other option is to fully understand the limitations of the part-time system and if you're willing to live with that then go for it...
 
Wow...you have to get into the novel writing business jca....:lmao:

Well here was my dilema after driving in a ice/snow bank after church...doh

Note to self...carry a shovel next time you decide to be a total jacka$$

All hung up and nowhere to go!!

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Wow...you have to get into the novel writing business jca....:lmao:

Well here was my dilema after driving in a ice/snow bank after church...doh

Note to self...carry a shovel next time you decide to be a total jacka$$

All hung up and nowhere to go!!

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haha, that doesnt sound like such a bad idea.

a shovel in winter is a good bit of kit to carry with you just like a small bucket of road salt mixed with sand to add traction for your tires if you get stuck real bad.
 
2010 SR5 in Snow

I have to get out of our road when the plow is busy with other parts of Tahoe. It takes days to get to us, at times. I wanted weight and height as well as 4 wheel drive. I sold my explorer 4x4 and got an SR5. I would recommend it for snow. My neighbor has a subie and was unable to get down our road with 2 foot of snow recently. SR5, no problem. In fact I pulled them out of the middle of our street. I would say winter tires are my next purchase. The MS tires I have stock are really good for hiway and light-weight off-road useage, not Tahoe winter or serious off-road.
 
4 Runner in snow reply

I must say I am pleasently suprised by all of the response my post got.

I have a Tribeca (keeping) and a leagacy sedan (Trading in). The thing that is always happening with the leagacy is.............

1) Way too small for wife and kids

2)Too low to the ground. It seems I'm always snowblowing the driveway and then just before i get on the street the plow leaves a foot of snow. I've lost a tire and those things behind the rear tire (like a mud fap)

3) Sick of switching off and on with wife. I want a "her car" and a "my car".

I want a 4Runner b/c.....

1) Big but not huge
2) Looks cool
3)I always wanted one

One of the things that I am trying to figure out is the third row seats. Not for adults but for my sons and sons friends ages 4 & 6. My parents are in their late 70's and I sometimes have to drive them around too. Granparents would always be in passenger seats or 2nd row but again the kid would go in the third row.

I don't want a third row b/c I think they are useless except in a minivan or suburban. And no one has any on the lot (But they can get them)

Wife is determined, she wants the third row seat.

Does anyone on this post have the third row seat? What are your thoughts.
 
Looks like fun!

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Just got 24" at Sugarloaf

Fun! This thing is very capable in deep deep snow.
 

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Snow

I lived in Maine from '67-'79 so had lots of driving in snow. I owned a '67 Land Rover which had all 4 wheels driving, all the time, and had no problems in snow, or on dry pavement for that matter. Eventually bought a '75 and had it fitted with Warn hubs so I could use only rear wheel drive on pavement but did not notice any difference except for less front tire wear. We've used our '16 4R Trail on snowy highways at 60-70 mph and city streets at 20-35 mph without a problem, so I can recommend a 4R 4x4 without hesitation for New England winters. - Ted.
 
Tires

I should have added to my previous post, that no car, 4x4 or otherwise, is worth a damn without proper tires. The Goodyear Duractracs that came with our 4R have proven to be superb in snow at all reasonable speeds, and on dry roads at any legal, or slightly illegal, speed. - Ted
 

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