4runner not recalled for gas pedal issue

[4Funnr]

So... anyone watching the first and also this second latest batch of recalls from Toyota?

I don't want to jinx us but it looks like the 4runner is the only model not recalled. I haven't heard of any problems with acceleration on it but maybe they just sold too few in the last few years to notice any problems?

At any rate, I'm hoping the 2010 was designed to account for this problem since it has unraveled in the past 2 years while they were making this new design.

 

[war07eagle]

apparently it was, when i bought mine i wanted toyota rubber floor mats and they told me they didnt have any because they had only designed the standard carpet ones to be sure they wouldnt catch the gas pedal, but they would be available in the future, also the hooks on the driver side matt exist because of the lawsuit and accident in the lexus that caused this whole fiasco... whatever, i would rather have weathertech liners anyway

 

[simple]

So... anyone watching the first and also this second latest batch of recalls from Toyota?

I don't want to jinx us but it looks like the 4runner is the only model not recalled. I haven't heard of any problems with acceleration on it but maybe they just sold too few in the last few years to notice any problems?

At any rate, I'm hoping the 2010 was designed to account for this problem since it has unraveled in the past 2 years while they were making this new design.

Neither was the Tacoma. If the world was run logically, the recall would be based on the design of the gas pedal, or perhaps a certain part number gas pedal. And since the Tacoma wasn't recalled either, then its probably a non issue. Make sure you install your liners/carpets correctly though, JIC.

 

[4Funnr]

also the hooks on the driver side matt exist because of the lawsuit and accident in the lexus that caused this whole fiasco

Really?

Man, even my 10 year old Honda Accord had hooks on the driver side to keep the floormat in place.

Also, the 2006-present Honda Civics have their gas pedal connected to the floor at the bottom. The design basically prevents the floormats from getting under the gas pedal.

At any rate, they are now claiming that it is a mechanical flaw in the drive-by-wire assembly and not the floormats that is causing the sudden acceleration.

It actually seems to be faulty electronics but they are denying that still.

 

[02SE]

also the hooks on the driver side matt exist because of the lawsuit and accident in the lexus that caused this whole fiasco...

My '95 FJ80 Landcruiser had a floormat hook. My '97 4Runner has a floormat hook as well.

 

[Uneek]

It's great the 4Runner isn't on list, but it's not the only model. The Yaris isn't on the list either. :

 

[Quentin]

The floormat list seems to be more widespread. The pedal list seems limited to only North American built Toyotas (sans the Tacoma and maybe one other model). I'm betting that the same supplier supplies all the pedal switches for nearly every NA assembly plant.

Basically - japan-only assembly plant = no issue.

4Funnr - why do you say it seems to be electronics? I've programmed dyno cells myself and it is normal to build fail-safes into the programming. It is easy insurance. Something mechanical (a switch wearing out, for example) seems a lot more likely than tricking the ECU into thinking that you are pushing the gas when you aren't.

 

[toto]

2005+ Tacoma is on the first recall list. The position of the gas and brake pedal is surprisingly different on the Tacoma than on 4Runner. Has nothing to do with country of manufacture. I think that if it's the gas pedal and not a computer, it's an issue of where the gas pedal is located relative to the floor and the side of the footwell.

Toyota OEM floor mats have had the hooks on the driver's side for many years - even the OEM all-weather mats. That doesn't mean people know how to use them, though.

 

[Quentin]

2005+ Tacoma is on the first recall list. The position of the gas and brake pedal is surprisingly different on the Tacoma than on 4Runner. Has nothing to do with country of manufacture. I think that if it's the gas pedal and not a computer, it's an issue of where the gas pedal is located relative to the floor and the side of the footwell.

Toyota OEM floor mats have had the hooks on the driver's side for many years - even the OEM all-weather mats. That doesn't mean people know how to use them, though.

Toto, you are thinking of the floormat recall. This was a new one that was released just last evening. All the vehicles listed are north american manufactured.

 

[4Funnr]

4Funnr - why do you say it seems to be electronics?

There was a piece on ABC a while back that interviewed several of the 'victims' for lack of a better word. It doesn't sound like a floormat or mechanical issue but maybe.

 

[rjmcmillan]

I just picked up my new 4Runner on Monday and the noticed my driver side floor mat was in the back. The dealer said it was their new policy that the owner had to put in their driver side floor mat at delivery. Strange.....don't know if anyone else has experienced this.....

 

[jerhu]

I just picked up my new 4Runner on Monday and the noticed my driver side floor mat was in the back. The dealer said it was their new policy that the owner had to put in their driver side floor mat at delivery. Strange.....don't know if anyone else has experienced this.....

Weird, my floormats were installed for me when I picked mine up

 

[dekeman]

I like to call this Total Recall as it's not just a US issue. Recall is affecting Canadian vehicles as well. Some talk about Europe too.

In Canada (which I assume is following U.S. lead), vehicles NOT affected are:
Prius
Tacoma
Sienna
Venza
Solara
Yaris
4Runner
FJ Cruiser
Land Cruiser
Select Camry models, including all Camry hybrids
All Lexus
All Scion

Vehicles affected.
-2009-2010 RAV4,
-2009-2010 Corolla,
-2009-2010 Matrix,
-2005-2010 Avalon,
-2007-2010 Camry,
-2010 Highlander,
-2007-2010 Tundra,
-2008-2010 Sequoia

 

[rjmcmillan]

I got the recall letter in the mail for my 2005 Tacoma last week. It was the truck I traded for the 4Runner so I gave it to the dealership.

 

[Uneek]

I just picked up my new 4Runner on Monday and the noticed my driver side floor mat was in the back. The dealer said it was their new policy that the owner had to put in their driver side floor mat at delivery. Strange.....don't know if anyone else has experienced this.....

More likely than not, the dealer didn't want to touch that liability hot patato with a 50' pole and left the installation error up to the owner. This way if someone were to wreck their Toyota in a case of unintentionally acceleration, they will say we did not install the floormat.

 

[Uneek]

There was a piece on ABC a while back that interviewed several of the 'victims' for lack of a better word. It doesn't sound like a floormat or mechanical issue but maybe.

I saw this segment on ABC's Nightline last night. It was the owner of an Avalon. He said, the engine was revving and he happened to recall "what to do if your gas pedal is stuck" from an earlier ABC segment. He shifted between drive and neutral to maintain speed and exit the highway. While he was doing that he called his dealer's service manager and the service manager was waiting in the parking lot for him. He said the brakes were burning and stinking from five miles of riding them and when he got out of the car, in neutral and e-brake on, the engine was still revving. No arguments from the service manager that something was wrong.

I think the floormat recall was Toyota's excuse to down play the issue of unintended acceleration. This most recent recall looks like they're saying it's the physical shape of the gas pedal relative to the floor pan and carpeting. Thus, in the floor mat recall they wanted to chop the gas pedal and gut the carpet backing.

IMO, the real issue is the drive by wire system and maybe in due time that will be third massive recall and probably involving a lot more models too. If there is such a recall, this will be the one that will bring down Toyota.

The video is at the bottom of the page of the Avalon owner's incident.
TOYOTA RECALL: New Reports of Runaway Toyotas; Massive Recall Issued - ABC News

 

[Uneek]

I got the recall letter in the mail for my 2005 Tacoma last week. It was the truck I traded for the 4Runner so I gave it to the dealership.

Is it for the floormat (and maybe gas pedal chop)? I got that notice about two months ago. I use Husky liners in '05 Tacoma. The Husky's once installed properly aren't going anywhere.

 

[rjmcmillan]

Is it for the floormat (and maybe gas pedal chop)? I got that notice about two months ago. I use Husky liners in '05 Tacoma. The Husky's once installed properly aren't going anywhere.

Yes, I didn't read it thoroughly though as I was looking forward to the new 4Runner. It said something about shaving the gas pedal up for more carpet clearance.

 

[T4Fun]

Really?

Man, even my 10 year old Honda Accord had hooks on the driver side to keep the floormat in place.

Also, the 2006-present Honda Civics have their gas pedal connected to the floor at the bottom. The design basically prevents the floormats from getting under the gas pedal.

At any rate, they are now claiming that it is a mechanical flaw in the drive-by-wire assembly and not the floormats that is causing the sudden acceleration.

It actually seems to be faulty electronics but they are denying that still.

My 2000 corolla had hooks on driver mat. Nothing new or special. wonder if they removed these hooks on later models

 

[Quentin]

This most recent recall looks like they're saying it's the physical shape of the gas pedal relative to the floor pan and carpeting. Thus, in the floor mat recall they wanted to chop the gas pedal and gut the carpet backing.

IMO, the real issue is the drive by wire system and maybe in due time that will be third massive recall and probably involving a lot more models too. If there is such a recall, this will be the one that will bring down Toyota.

The recall from Thursday is not for the pedal sticking to the floorpan or carpet. It is for the actual switch that the pedal pivots on. The switch is sticking. The switch tells the ECU what the pedal input is.

To me, a mechanical failure like a switch sticking is much more likely than the drive by wire ECU coding (where multiple redundancies are in place). The feds have investigated the ECU 6 or 7 times and found no defect. The switch failure, which is likely from the same supplier or the same design... or even the same part number, makes more sense. It is the simplest answer. My years of engineering tell me that the simplest answer is usually the actual cause.