4Runner versus Jeep Grand Cherokee
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I'd have to give the edge to the Heep here, but it would be close. The '04 V8 is non-VVT-i and has 25 less HP than the '05+ V8. It also has less torque. The VVT-i V8 in a 4Runner would be a good race against the Heep Hemi as both 0-60 times are in the low seven second range and the non VVT-i V8 is in the high sevens. The power to weight ratio gives the heep the slight advantage because it only weighs ~500 lbs more than a 4Runner and it has over 60 more HP. 0-100 I'm pretty sure the Jeep would pull away as some of the quarter mile times suggest because of more torque/HP than 4Runner.
Car and Driver did a heads up comparison that included a hemi heep and a 4Runner. They don't show the data panel anymore but if I can remember correctly they had the Heep 0-60 in 6.9 and the 4Runner in 7.2. There was about a half second difference in the quarter mile. However, I've found multiple times data showing that 0-60 is in fact slower than 6.9.
I've been dying to race one of these, but I can't find one and when I do they don't want to play
Maybe because they would burn 10 gallons of gas in the process
So in review: 2004 V8 4Runner vs. Jeep GC Hemi = 4R loss
2005+ V8 4Runner vs. Jeep GC Hemi = Close, but probably still a loss
Car and Driver did a heads up comparison that included a hemi heep and a 4Runner. They don't show the data panel anymore but if I can remember correctly they had the Heep 0-60 in 6.9 and the 4Runner in 7.2. There was about a half second difference in the quarter mile. However, I've found multiple times data showing that 0-60 is in fact slower than 6.9.
I've been dying to race one of these, but I can't find one and when I do they don't want to play
Maybe because they would burn 10 gallons of gas in the process So in review: 2004 V8 4Runner vs. Jeep GC Hemi = 4R loss
2005+ V8 4Runner vs. Jeep GC Hemi = Close, but probably still a loss
ric
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OUTRNNR,
nothing wrong with it,
If your buying a 4X4 suv to race it or because of its track times, that just defeats the purpose of 4X4, but hey, its your money, if you want to buy a 4x4, and put 20" spinners on it with low profile tires, go right ahead. i could go on, but Im gonna leave this alone.
nothing wrong with it,
Looks like your one of them guys out there racing on the street, what an idiot, thats how people die.. do us all a favor, and take it to the track..
If your buying a 4X4 suv to race it or because of its track times, that just defeats the purpose of 4X4, but hey, its your money, if you want to buy a 4x4, and put 20" spinners on it with low profile tires, go right ahead. i could go on, but Im gonna leave this alone.
I'm sure you could, but I'm going to defend my position.ric said:
First off, you obviously don't own/drive a 4th gen so you wouldn't know how they handle/stop etc. Secondly, I'm not buying a 4x4 to race, I bought it because its better in snow/mud than a car and if it happens to be slightly sportier than some 4x4's, then so be it. Yeah, I may be one of those "idiots" who drive fast on public roads, but in case you didn't notice, so does the other half of CO's population. How is that so dangerous if you drive within your and the car/trucks ability? Its not like I'm constantly weaving through lanes like I'm Fittapaldi or something. Additionally, if you think its so dangerous to drive fast in an SUV consider that my 4Runner weighs less than a BMW 750i, stops nearly the same (5 foot difference), and when equipped with X-REAS, handles like a common commuter car.
What do you want me to say? Arive alive drive 55? Boring. Sorry dude, I'm just one of those people who like to drive faster than everyone else, call it my competitiveness, or just because I can, or whatever I dunno. You can find plenty of people who feel the same way I do...
See ya in the right lane..............NOT!!
PS - Where did you get the 20" spinners stereotype from? You're obviously mis-informed; people who buy spinners drive slow so they can show them off. Not to mention they heavily degrade handling, ride and performance. Well done.
RonMAIDEN
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Driving fast and engaging in speed contests are two different things and going anywhere near 100 on a public road is going irresponsibly too fast in any 4000lb+ SUV/truck and most people in Colorado don't do that and even if they did it still isn't right.
I've driven a a few 4th gens and even with their better suspension and such they still don't handle emergency maneuvers very well at 80 since it is still a truck and not on a car based frame. (thank you Toyota) Still much better than a stock 3rd gen tho'.
Handles like a common commuter car? That's funny;I could outdrive your Runner around a road course with a lowly Civic EX so let's not compare apples to oranges since a 4Runner is not a car. It's thinking like that that gets SUV owners in trouble but it's usually too late when they realize their mistake.
Speeding a little is ok when prudent so just be safe and don't get killed.:awais:
I've driven a a few 4th gens and even with their better suspension and such they still don't handle emergency maneuvers very well at 80 since it is still a truck and not on a car based frame. (thank you Toyota) Still much better than a stock 3rd gen tho'.
Handles like a common commuter car? That's funny;I could outdrive your Runner around a road course with a lowly Civic EX so let's not compare apples to oranges since a 4Runner is not a car. It's thinking like that that gets SUV owners in trouble but it's usually too late when they realize their mistake.
Speeding a little is ok when prudent so just be safe and don't get killed.:awais:
Koz
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OUTRNNR said:
There will always be the self-righteous that have no problem calling people "idiots" while they are in the left lane doing the speed limit, causing all kinds of HAVAC and getting pissed off and giving you the dirty looks and the finger because you're breaking the law!
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spyne
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OUTRNNR said:
When the SUV moniker was first coined around 1990, sport had nothing to do with speed, handling or 0 - 60 times. Back then the term referred to full size Bronco's and Blazers as well as the smaller but very crude (by today's standards) Cherokee, 4 Runner, Bronco II and S10/Blazer.
None of these vehicles were fast, handled well, or had 0 - 60 times that were less than glacial. What they did do, was to help people pursue their sports activities; hunting, fishing, camping, kayaking, boating, hiking remote trails, mountain biking and other activities that required access to difficult to reach locations where your typical station wagon couldn't go. That
spyne
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Agreed, you can get anything for a price. But the price is very high. The speed is easy to get, as you can throw a powerful engine into almost anything. However, great handling and real off road ability are almost impossible to achieve in the same package. The reason all of the serious off road folks have sway bar disconnects is because they limit wheel travel off road. However if you want to take a corner at more than 30 miles an hour on the street you can't do without them.
That's not to say that it can't be done, it's just hard to do in a package that's affordable for most of the folks who are interested in a vehicle with real off road capabilities. Out of the three vehicles you mentioned, two are out of the reach of most people. I don
That's not to say that it can't be done, it's just hard to do in a package that's affordable for most of the folks who are interested in a vehicle with real off road capabilities. Out of the three vehicles you mentioned, two are out of the reach of most people. I don
RonMAIDEN
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The Jeep SRT8 is a street only vehicle and doesn't have true 4wd,it's AWD only.
The Cayenne Turbo is actually off roadable on intermediate trails but nearly all owners won't take the risk of damage but they are quick but at a cost of over twice the Jeep.
You want even 14s and true off road capability then the list growws very short.
The Cayenne Turbo is actually off roadable on intermediate trails but nearly all owners won't take the risk of damage but they are quick but at a cost of over twice the Jeep.
You want even 14s and true off road capability then the list growws very short.
So your Hemi jeep was running 15.2 stock, hmmm, I bet I'd run right at that now. Can't wait to see what a dyno tune does for me. I want to run at the drag strip then correct for altitude and see what it is, don't think I'm going to be driving to sea level anytime soon. Hopefully mid to high 14's, maybe 15 flat...
Why can't I find a Hemi who wants to play with me??
Why can't I find a Hemi who wants to play with me??
OUTRNNR said:
Yeap... I don't think you'll find a stock 5.7L faster than that, actually I think one of the magazines got a 15.1 out of one, but who knows under what conditions.
OUTRNNR said:
I'm asking myself the same thing, but about the new vvti V8 4Runner... But at the track of course.
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I wonder about Jeep and this trail rated stuff. On a trip a couple of years ago a Jeep got stuck because the right two wheels were spinning and it just would not move. Once we got enough stuff under the right rear wheel it was able to move on. There must be something about their fancy four wheel drive stuff that none of us understood. The Jeep drove really well, especially with two solid axles. The owner had to sell it because it had too many problems, from rust, to failed drive line components, early brake failure, electrical problems, instruments, power windows, door locks and interior stuff falling off. After all this trouble he bought another Jeep. He said only a Jeep is trail rated and he got his Hemi. Oh, and he rode with me on our last outing because his new Jeep is in the shop. I guess my 4Runner is good enough for those time when your trail rated Jeep is in the shop.
