5th Gen 4Runner 0-60 Time Comparison

[Muzzle of Bees]

Finally you said it 1engineer. I find it odd that people buy one of the most capable 4x4 vehicles on the planet and want it reduced to an X Over SUV.
I believe that status supersedes function.

 

[Brandonium]

I fail to see how wanting power availability at normal pedal input means we want it to be like a x-over. I don't think people (or at least a majority of them) who don't like the amount of pedal required to get a response are crying that the vehicle is not a sports car.

Finally you said it 1engineer. I find it odd that people buy one of the most capable 4x4 vehicles on the planet and want it reduced to an X Over SUV.
I believe that status supersedes function.

 

[Engineer]

The 4runner does have "drivability" traits that are regretful for a modern 35-45k vehicle. Does it make it un-drivable, or a poor design, No but there is a lot to be desired

In un modified form I found it much better so I can not blame Toyota for the way my vehicle currently drives but I would never say it drives nice and is the word of warning I will pass onto anyone who asks. Cruise control is worthless, the transmission wont jump back up a gear after climbing, power is there but it is all in the upper range of RPM band which is outside where the 4runner cruises so constant up and down shifts (more down) are a given if driving at speed or on anything but downhill with a tail wind.

I love my 4runner even with those traits, I didn't buy it to drive like a diesel or a sports car nor do I expect it to get good gas mileage but you have not driven many vehicles if you think there is not plenty of room for improvement in "drivability"

There is a difference between facts and whining (not going to argue the "fact" about drivability as everyone's perception is different, mine is stated above) compared to the 1950-60's era 3 speed grain truck I drove one summer this is a Formula 1 car, compared to most vehicles produced in 2016 for 35-45k its a pig, a reliable, capable ,robust pig

But if I had wanted power and on road manors I would have bought a Jeep GC or Land Rover

 

[1engineer]

I fail to see how wanting power availability at normal pedal input means we want it to be like a x-over. I don't think people (or at least a majority of them) who don't like the amount of pedal required to get a response are crying that the vehicle is not a sports car.

First, read this thread http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/182051-expectations.html

Next, if I did not like the way my vehicle drives, I never would have bought it and I damn sure wouldn't be complaining about it in a forum. If I did that would imply that I did not do my due diligence researching and I was inattentive during my test drive.

Lastly, look at the 0-60 times in the first post. Nowhere in there does it say how they got to 60 mph. Since it was a timed test I assume they get in, floor it and check the clock at 60 mph. Seriously, how many different ways are there to get a vehicle to accelerate as quickly as possible? It's like a few of you do not comprehend this basic driving fact: Want to accelerate slow? Push the pedal slow and easy. Want to accelerate fast? Push the pedal fast and hard! What part of those two basic components are confusing? Also, there is no such thing as "normal" pedal input. I have drove hundreds of different vehicles of all types and not a one of them had the same accelerator pedal feel, brake pedal feel or the controls in the same place.

 

[Brandonium]

Like it was stated earlier. Calling out something that is a fact (yes, Toyota could have put more effort into this particular item) and complaining about it are two different things. There are other 40k+ 4WD vehicles on the market that have a more responsive accelerator, the Jeep being one of them and that vehicle is also an under powered yet capable competitor. You may not see it that way but I do.. and as far as I am concerned being an owner I have the right to call out what I consider something that Toyota could have done a better job manufacturing/engineering/programming i.e. whatever you want to call it.

I test drove it.. and the first thing I mentioned to the salesman was that it required a whole lot of pedal to get a response from the power plant. His reply was that Toyota blah blah blah. Clearly it was not a determining factor in my purchase but I still don't have to like it. I doubt there is anyone here who loves every single aspect of their vehicle. If they do they congrats to them for obtaining vehicular bliss. If you are that person then I envy you!

First, read this thread http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/182051-expectations.html

Next, if I did not like the way my vehicle drives, I never would have bought it and I damn sure wouldn't be complaining about it in a forum. If I did that would imply that I did not do my due diligence researching and I was inattentive during my test drive.

Lastly, look at the 0-60 times in the first post. Nowhere in there does it say how they got to 60 mph. Since it was a timed test I assume they get in, floor it and check the clock at 60 mph. Seriously, how many different ways are there to get a vehicle to accelerate as quickly as possible? It's like a few of you do not comprehend this basic driving fact: Want to accelerate slow? Push the pedal slow and easy. Want to accelerate fast? Push the pedal fast and hard! What part of those two basic components are confusing? Also, there is no such thing as "normal" pedal input. I have drove hundreds of different vehicles of all types and not a one of them had the same accelerator pedal feel, brake pedal feel or the controls in the same place.

 

[Okie81]

Cool stats, thanks for posting!

It would be interesting to contrast those results with GVWR.

 

[Copper78]

I care not...see sig for fast car.

 

[Craigy]

Driving a little Rav4 lately, it has plenty of pep, no need to floor it. Even has an additional selectable sport mode if you want better response and an eco mode if you want help being a little more miserly. Does the runner have a sport mode for throttle response?

 

[kernel.panik]

Is my 2011 the only one with a manual shift mode? Hauls enough arse shifting manually for me...

I noticed a much nicer ride and seemingly less rolling resistance after a tranny and transfer case and differential fluid flush. Shifts so smooth now, it feels new at 50K

Want more power, pay for super-unleaded.

 

[dgirouard39]

just wait till that turbo comes.

Nice little 6 turbo diesel haha
id buy it

 

[jtc44]

"Drivability"? Far too subjective a term to call it lacking. You may think it lacking, but frankly I don't. I've learnt how it works: 1) it upshifts early so I drive in S4 - problem solved. 2) It downshifts late so I know just how much pedal to give it to downshift one, or two gears - problem solved (mash it hard and you better hang on). Caveat; the CC? Yes, it .... um .... well .... it's annoying.


[MENTION=66316]1engineer[/MENTION] Good thread Greg - now we can just link to a sticky when the debate starts anew. :yo:

Jeez are Philsey and I the only ones who acknowledge S-Mode?! It really does exist for those who haven't tried it......

 

[RysiuM]

Want to accelerate slow? Push the pedal slow and easy. Want to accelerate fast? Push the pedal fast and hard!

They designed it so "soccer mom" would feel it as intuitive driving.

Now the only thing I did not like in "punching gas pedal" while trying to pass is the "gear over-shifting". When I punch the gas pedal the transmission shifts down "one to many" then a moment later, with engine screaming "bloody murder" the transmission shifts up before the real acceleration starts. But I saw the same behavior in most of cars with A/T I was driving. Or maybe there is a trick to it, that I am not aware of.

 

[Antman]

"Drivability"? Far too subjective a term to call it lacking. You may think it lacking, but frankly I don't. I've learnt how it works: 1) it upshifts early so I drive in S4 - problem solved. 2) It downshifts late so I know just how much pedal to give it to downshift one, or two gears - problem solved (mash it hard and you better hang on). Caveat; the CC? Yes, it .... um .... well .... it's annoying.

Philsey explained it well, and I drive mine exactly the same way.

It's also about how fast you push the pedal down. If I want to downshift to 4th approaching a big hill at say 60mph, I give the pedal a quick jab- without pushing it too far down. My transmission will instantly shift to 4th and hold it there for the hill. Do it every day. Push it further down and hold it and it'll hit 3rd and then shift to fourth (what most of you seem to be doing).

Learn to drive it and you will be much happier...

Now- the Cruise Control...? F that- no helping it, it's COMPLETE GARBAGE.:lmao:

 

[4FL]

Lol, I think this is the best cruise control I ever had. I cannot find fault in it, but never used it around hills.

On my Explorer, the damn thing would occasionally start accelerating for no reason and I would have to turn off the cruise control.

 

[DgoDog]

It does not have gobs of torque at low rpm's. If you want that then I sincerely wish you would trade it for a vehicle with a V8 or a diesel and quit whining around.

Test drive, test drive, test drive.

^^Done.

Today, sadly, I let go of my brand-spanking new Trail for a new Grand Cherokee Overland.

Why? One word: HEMI.
Wait, three more words: EIGHT SPEED TRANSMISSION

As much as I LOVED the 4runner, for my purposes (i.e. mostly highway), I couldn't take the throttle response and the NVH when floored. You might ask: if highway was the main purpose, then why buy a Trail? Short answer: because I can. And I live at 9k feet and needed a 4wd anyway.

Yes I test drove. Drove just fine on the test loop. But not over mountain passes and trying to pass on 2-lanes. While I hate that I will be giving up the reliability and resale of the T4R (especially compared to the JGC Overland ), I got what I wanted. Took a bath, yes, but happy now.

This may be my last post on a very awesome forum. You guys are passionate and informed; I will miss that.

Cheers! :yo:

 

[GzTEP]

Yep it does fine. Mines new but with my mods below and running 91 octane all my friends are really impressed with how it feels and drives. Most of them have full built and armored 1st and 2nd gen tacomas though. I think when I add steel bumpers it will feel different so I'm not planning on them. Actually I'm thinking of selling to buy one of GM's new LT beasts.

 

[Antman]

Lol, I think this is the best cruise control I ever had. I cannot find fault in it, but never used it around hills.

Well......

 

[FrenchToasty]

Philsey explained it well, and I drive mine exactly the same way.

It's also about how fast you push the pedal down. If I want to downshift to 4th approaching a big hill at say 60mph, I give the pedal a quick jab- without pushing it too far down. My transmission will instantly shift to 4th and hold it there for the hill. Do it every day. Push it further down and hold it and it'll hit 3rd and then shift to fourth (what most of you seem to be doing).

Learn to drive it and you will be much happier...

Now- the Cruise Control...? F that- no helping it, it's COMPLETE GARBAGE.:lmao:

Good tips, thanks. It's moms DD, but I get it on the weekend! Mt trip already planned for tomorrow, perf time to test new knowledge!

 

[FourEyedWilly]

^^Done.

Today, sadly, I let go of my brand-spanking new Trail for a new Grand Cherokee Overland.

Why? One word: HEMI.
Wait, three more words: EIGHT SPEED TRANSMISSION

Monitor when auto parts stores have sales on motor oil. :rockon:

Experience is a cold B. :sobbing:

 

[Jhalko]

What the heck are all of you people who don't drive at high altitudes complaining about? Try hauling this fat, armored up, pig up and down 10k mountain passes for awhile then go home to your sea level experience and talk to me.

:der::der::der::der::der:

Nice info @1E

For the dude that is actually bragging about buying a JGC, man I'm sorry, good luck with that thing.