5th Gen confession

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Hi all,

I have had a 4th Gen V8 for a long time, and it has been a great vehicle. The best I have owned - until now.

I delayed getting a new vehicle for the last year or two hoping a 5th Gen 4Runner with a V8 would be offered. I have also been a critic of the Nav system, 20 inch wheels and the rest.

Well, a Shoreline Blue Limited 4x4 with tan leather and Nav showed up at my friend's dealership so I took it home at close to invoice price plus tax and title fees. I am driving a bit like a granny since its very new, but I have to observe the build quality is very high, at least as good as my 4th Gen in my opinion. It is also quieter on the road than my 4th Gen.

A few things -

The rear visibility when backing up is not as good compared to the 4th Gen. You need to look over your right shoulder to safely back up a car, and the 4th Gen had awesomely functional pillar mirrors that let you see the blind spots when you looked over your shoulder and through the rear window. This is very, very safe. The 5th Gen 2nd row headrests and seatbacks block the lower part of the rear window, and there are no pillar mirrors. The back up camera is nice, but you can't look over your shoulder and look at the back up camera at the same time. I think the old pillar mirrors were much safer, idiot proof, and cheaper.

The rear windshield wiper only wipes about 1/3 of the window. The 4th Gen wiper is on the bottom and covers about 3/4 of the rear window. I am guessing they changed position because the rear wiper's seem exposed to snagging and damage.

Third row seats - useless and cost almost 1.5K to cost. No Limiteds without 3rd row seats now, at least in my region.

The Nav system is actually pretty great, especially compared to Mercedes Benz' system. Maybe the BMW Nav is better than Toyota's, but I think its close. The Nav offers something quite different than an iPad, and my initial belief that the Nav was not worthwhile seems incorrect after some road time with the system. Get the Nav if you can.

My example has Yokohama Geolander tires and I like them so far. Ride quality is very good, and much stiffer than my 4th Gen (which needs new shocks and tires for certain). My 4th Gen has standard SR5 suspension and no XREAS.

Most noticeable is the 5thy Gen increase in headroom and interior space, it feels much roomier than the 4th Gen (and my companion that drove me to the dealership in his fairly new 4th Gen 4Runner agreed it was a significant improvement). It seems to ride higher than the 4th Gen, and it is a few inches taller to get in as well.

The truck DOES NOT seem underpowered, though I am trying to do the 1st 500 miles without hammering the gas too much. I still want a V8, but now it will be a trade-in scenario!

Buy this rig with confidence. I thought I could not live without another V8, but now I just sit in my old one and pop the hood in the driveway to get my fix!

Cheers!

V8
 
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Congrats, glad you like it.

Most noticeable is the 5th Gen increase in headroom....

Then Toyota is missing the boat by not advertising that fact. The official brochure specs indicate virtually no difference.

Maybe it's the feel of the more straight up windshield with more room in front of the forehead rather than more net height in the driving position?
 
uhoh, I hope you keep this quiet, if other 4th gen v8 guys find out your happy with your 5th, that will be the end of you... Apparently your confused because there is no way anyone could enjoy their 5th gen without a v8.


In all seriousness its always good to hear there is another satisfied customer. Wait till you get a few thousand miles on your motor, you will see a significant improvement in power, responsiveness, etc.
 
THanks for posting this. We have our 4th Gen and plan on keeping it. With our Camry reaching the end of it's life we are considering a 5th Generation because my wife has fallen in love with the 4th Gen we have now and I haven't been able to get her out of it.

A neighbor recently purchased a 5th generation (traded in a 4th) and I asked what they thought about it - they loved it. The first thing they said was it's a lot roomier.
 
Two weeks in with a TE and I agree with the OP on his review -- there are other little items, such as the mast antenna on 5th that I do not like, but more benefits that do out weigh the negatives. Most notable -- the interior space, the KDSS is amazing, bluetooth, reclining back seats and more on the 5th gen.

Also, I do like the v6 engine -- and yes, I do own a 2005 SE V8. We kept the 2005 because it has been a great car for 6 yrs and has under 60k miles. If we put more mileage on our cars, likely the 05 would have to go, but I like having both.
 
No illusion, there is definitely more headroom in the 5th Gen. I have never (never) fit in a previous gen 4Runner. If I had, I would've bought one years ago.

Manufacturer data on headroom is near worthless. You really have to sit to know.
 
No illusion, there is definitely more headroom in the 5th Gen. I have never (never) fit in a previous gen 4Runner. If I had, I would've bought one years ago.

Manufacturer data on headroom is near worthless. You really have to sit to know.

Thanks. Gonna have to sit in one then.
 
welcome to the 5G club and congrats on your conversion. i too stepped up from an '06 V8 SE precisely one year ago, and was in the exact same position as you: eating humble pie and happy to do so.

time to change your handle. (should've read "4WD" in the first place!) :D
 
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I totaly disagree with the OP on backing up. You DON'T have to look over your shoulder to safely back up. With the 2 door mirrors, and rear-view mirror with built in camera, it is idiot proof backing up. Just my honest opinion.
 
I totaly disagree with the OP on backing up. You DON'T have to look over your shoulder to safely back up. With the 2 door mirrors, and rear-view mirror with built in camera, it is idiot proof backing up. Just my honest opinion.

+ backup sensors
 
JB, its not exactly headroom - its more like cabin size and cabin openness. There also feels like more room on the left and right when you are in the truck. The windshield also seems much larger but I think it is the angle.

It has a build date of 02/2011 if anyone is interested in that stuff. Might mean inventory is not real high?

Gstick, in PA looking over your shoulder does not seem to be required.

"Chapter 37 § 3702. Limitations on backing.

(a) General rule.--No driver shall back a vehicle unless the
movement can be made with safety and without interfering with
other traffic and then only after yielding the right-of-way to
moving traffic and pedestrians.
(b) Limited access highways.--No driver shall back a vehicle
upon any shoulder or roadway of any limited access highway."

I think a DMV test person or a driving instructor would fail someone if they didn't actually look all around for real with their head and eyeballs. Gadgets are fun but people are real. If a driver backs over someone, whether they used the gadgets or not, the movement could not be made "with safety" and the driver would not have "yielded" to pedestrians. The high tech stuff cool, but the cheap low tech did not need to be scrapped.

Just my opinions. Going to get coffee and a donut for breakfast, and I am parallel parking on the street!!!

Good luck and be safe,

V8
 
Headroom: I definitely did not fit (6'4") in a 4G at all. Tried twice. This was the dealbreaker for me - If I fit, I'm in. If I don't, I won't, simple as that. Guess what - I fit comfortably sunroof and all. Now wearing a hat while driving is another matter.
 
JB, its not exactly headroom - its more like cabin size and cabin openness. There also feels like more room on the left and right when you are in the truck. The windshield also seems much larger but I think it is the angle.

It has a build date of 02/2011 if anyone is interested in that stuff. Might mean inventory is not real high?

Gstick, in PA looking over your shoulder does not seem to be required.

"Chapter 37 § 3702. Limitations on backing.

(a) General rule.--No driver shall back a vehicle unless the
movement can be made with safety and without interfering with
other traffic and then only after yielding the right-of-way to
moving traffic and pedestrians.
(b) Limited access highways.--No driver shall back a vehicle
upon any shoulder or roadway of any limited access highway."

I think a DMV test person or a driving instructor would fail someone if they didn't actually look all around for real with their head and eyeballs. Gadgets are fun but people are real. If a driver backs over someone, whether they used the gadgets or not, the movement could not be made "with safety" and the driver would not have "yielded" to pedestrians. The high tech stuff cool, but the cheap low tech did not need to be scrapped.

Just my opinions. Going to get coffee and a donut for breakfast, and I am parallel parking on the street!!!

Good luck and be safe,

V8

Maybe I'm being too critical. I drive a 30 wheel tractor-trailer for a living hauling heavy oversize loads, and I am just used to using mirrors only.
 
Hi all,

The rear visibility when backing up is not as good compared to the 4th Gen. You need to look over your right shoulder to safely back up a car, and the 4th Gen had awesomely functional pillar mirrors that let you see the blind spots when you looked over your shoulder and through the rear window. This is very, very safe. The 5th Gen 2nd row headrests and seatbacks block the lower part of the rear window, and there are no pillar mirrors. The back up camera is nice, but you can't look over your shoulder and look at the back up camera at the same time. I think the old pillar mirrors were much safer, idiot proof, and cheaper.

:iagree:

I miss the pillar mirrors in my 4th gen, they also let me see who was coming if I was parked, say, between 2 big vans. I could back out just a little and then use those mirrors to see if anyone was coming. You can't really do that with the camera or sensors.

The Nav system is actually pretty great, especially compared to Mercedes Benz' system. Maybe the BMW Nav is better than Toyota's, but I think its close. The Nav offers something quite different than an iPad, and my initial belief that the Nav was not worthwhile seems incorrect after some road time with the system. Get the Nav if you can.

I'm also pretty pleased with the NAV system. I have never had an in-vehicle nav system before, but mine has never failed to get me where I needed to go. The POI system also seems pretty effective here in dallas, and it's helped me locate things I was looking for on several occasions. I also like the voice activation system, it makes me feel like Captain Picard from Star Trek. (Computer, take me to mcdonalds! ha)

Most noticeable is the 5thy Gen increase in headroom and interior space, it feels much roomier than the 4th Gen (and my companion that drove me to the dealership in his fairly new 4th Gen 4Runner agreed it was a significant improvement). It seems to ride higher than the 4th Gen, and it is a few inches taller to get in as well.

I'm 6'4, I definitely notice the headroom. I can wear my caps now without brushing the headliner. A definite plus!


:nicethread:
 
Headroom and the overall driver space did it for me.

3rd Gen - Too tight and my head hit the sunroof visor.

4th Gen - Love em, but the same thing.

Now, if they could make a Trail version with all the Limited options...
 
uhoh, I hope you keep this quiet, if other 4th gen v8 guys find out your happy with your 5th, that will be the end of you... Apparently your confused because there is no way anyone could enjoy their 5th gen without a v8.


In all seriousness its always good to hear there is another satisfied customer. Wait till you get a few thousand miles on your motor, you will see a significant improvement in power, responsiveness, etc.

Really??? well im at about 1800 miles on mine....and this is not a complaint cause i love this beast in all ways...she just seems really slow like a tank litteraly !!
 

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