6th gen 4Runner patent filing for hybrid or electric drive battery?

Pure electric isn't that great of an idea.. can you imagine, jostling for a level 2 or 3 charger, with a car full of kids, around many other screaming kids, shudder.

I would bet that the more realistic approach is using an electric motor and battery to "torque fill" for a turbo 4 motor. That's the realistic bet. Especially when you factor in the protection of the oil and gas industry's best interest--which is "NO" to pure electric.

The BEST, but unlikely solution would involve a powertrain that is much like that of the Chevy Volt. A gasoline engine that is exclusively a power generator, one that is never utilized nor relied upon to move the car. All the combustion engine would do is turn on to top off the battery packs, which then power the electric motors. You could also top it up when shopping or overnight. In theory, for most commuters, they should be able to make most of their work commutes on pure electric power, which is 2-3x cheaper than the equivalent trip on gasoline. A volt averages around 42-45mpg on pure "engine generator" mode on the highway going 65mph. Assuming slightly worse aerodynamic penalty from a Prius (58 city/53 highway) to Prius V (43city/39highway), you are probably looking at low 30mpg to move a brick of a 4runner across a highway at 65mph. Excuse the hypothetical, non engineering, back of napkin math.

I would not be surprised to see something like this in a highlander sooner than later. Whether a drivetrain like this would work in an offroad application is unclear. Light offroading, probably okay. Certainly would be way less of an efficiency penalty on armor/bigger tires. Would probably never need to regear if the drive motors are purely electric. How would the batteries cope with the heat from rocky trips? They sure would be better than a diesel engine for instantaneous torque. But if something breaks, you're probably way screwed in the sticks. Hope you're okay with using leaves as wipes.
 
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Get back to us on using the charge station 200 miles offroad on some shit hill somewhere..

ELectric cars are for latte swilling metro ****ing tits that think the idea of offroad is driving over the grass at home depot in the parking lot..

They can take those Mongolian batteries...and shove em :toilet:

Then I may have to find my inner latte swilling metro ****ing tit if/when I can buy something like this GM's super-quiet, super-cool military 4X4 - Apr. 3, 2017
 
Edit, [MENTION=152226]engineeer[/MENTION] beat me to it.

Also, why would need a charging station if you could just have a solar panels on your roof rack? Seems that if you are out long enough and you might not need Jerry cans.

Using a Tesla as an example (assume 250 miles range), in a regular 120V outlet it charges about 5 miles of range per hour. Assuming 15A is used, that's 1800 watts of power feeding that. So how much solar panel is needed for 1800W? Theoretically 6 300W panels will get you there (depending on lattitude/season/weather/time of day/panel alignment, etc). A 300W panel is about 6'x3'. So all in all, with an array about 6'x18', you can theoretically fully charge a Tesla in about 50 hours of great sunlight.

If all you want is 100 miles of charge then you'll need about 20 hours of great sunlight.

This of course is assuming a small aerodynamic Tesla on a paved road. An off roading loaded 4runner with mud terrains will need a lot more. That's a very long outing, but technically possible.
 
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What are you on about?

He clearly stated that it would need to perform as good if not better than the current ICE offerings, which means an electric variant with ~400 miles of range and equivalent power. Additionally, you'd have the benefit of the full torque available to you instantly with an electric motor. Way better than the existing 4400rpm or whatever it takes to get full torque out of our 4.0L V6.

In reality, if anything we'd end up with a hybrid 4Runner that has a supplementary electric motor that's powered by a battery charged via regenerative braking. It'll probably bump up fuel economy 10-20% without any other perceived differences.

I dunno, I think you would be crazy to take that much iffy technology off road and beat the hell out of it and expect it to last. I am skeptical the batteries could even take the offroad vibrations for any period of time.

Electrics are here sure, but some metro mobile doing 20 miles a day shares little in comparison with driving through a swamp at 4am ten hours from civilization. With gas, if your out...you beg, borrow or steal some. With batteries your toast. I would not rely on this technology for extreme activities.

Just because its new...doesn't make it what most of us want.
 
I dunno, I think you would be crazy to take that much iffy technology off road and beat the hell out of it and expect it to last. I am skeptical the batteries could even take the offroad vibrations for any period of time.

Electrics are here sure, but some metro mobile doing 20 miles a day shares little in comparison with driving through a swamp at 4am ten hours from civilization. With gas, if your out...you beg, borrow or steal some. With batteries your toast. I would not rely on this technology for extreme activities.

Just because its new...doesn't make it what most of us want.

What makes you call it "iffy technology"? Is it that you're unfamiliar with it or that you know of some particular common failure mode?

Tesla added titanium skid plates to the bottom of the Model S to protect the batteries further. Nothing stopping Toyota from doing the same thing knowing that some percentage (however small) of their customers will go off-road.

You don't think engineers factor vibration, impacts, etc. into the design of batteries and how they're supported? You don't think Toyota engineers would do the same if not more if they planned on throwing those same batteries into a 4Runner?

I agree that it would be crazy to be 10 hours from civilization with a purely electric vehicle, but I don't think Toyota will be taking the 4Runner into "purely electric" territory any time soon. Hybrid at best in order to improve low-end torque and fuel economy.
 
Toyota has been in the hybrid game for a longggggg time now. How long - 20 years. The Prius launched in December of 1997. I'm pretty sure they know a thing or two about hybrids and batteries. If they sold a hybrid 4runner, I would definitely be intrigued.
 
Really depends on how long the battery assist lasts without discharging and requiring the petrol motor to recharge, and how long that will take. Same questions for both on and off road.
 
What makes you call it "iffy technology"? Is it that you're unfamiliar with it or that you know of some particular common failure mode?

Tesla added titanium skid plates to the bottom of the Model S to protect the batteries further. Nothing stopping Toyota from doing the same thing knowing that some percentage (however small) of their customers will go off-road.

You don't think engineers factor vibration, impacts, etc. into the design of batteries and how they're supported? You don't think Toyota engineers would do the same if not more if they planned on throwing those same batteries into a 4Runner?

I agree that it would be crazy to be 10 hours from civilization with a purely electric vehicle, but I don't think Toyota will be taking the 4Runner into "purely electric" territory any time soon. Hybrid at best in order to improve low-end torque and fuel economy.


No my experience with Engineers is that they to are human..and can forget some details at times, or they can be revised by a non engineering bean counter.

Hybrids are shit. There is little to no value in buying one. The money you spend on the up charge typically isn't money youll get back longterm even with decent fuel savings. They aren't worth the premium for anything else other than green dick cred.

Now if it was a diesel...we could be talking :target:
 
No my experience with Engineers is that they to are human..and can forget some details at times, or they can be revised by a non engineering bean counter. d

Yes, engineers are human, but by your logic you should never cross a bridge, fly in a plane, drive on a road, or even drive your 4Runner.

Hybrids are shit. There is little to no value in buying one.

Better fuel economy resulting in longer driving range isn't valuable? Better low-end torque (instant thanks to electric motors) isn't valuable?

Keep in mind I'm not talking about a Prius drivetrain dropped into a 4Runner. We can both agree that would be atrocious. I'm talking about a 4Runner with an added electric motor and battery that's recouping energy lost in braking in order to improve low-end torque and fuel economy/driving range.
 
Hybrids are shit.

This made me laugh a little considering many here are proud of their vehicles that have the nick name TuRD

There is little to no value in buying one. The money you spend on the up charge typically isn't money youll get back longterm even with decent fuel savings. They aren't worth the premium for anything else other than green dick cred.
Really depends on miles driven and price of fuel. I know people whose work commute is well over 100 miles a day and the Prius has saved them a lot of money. But you're right that many have them just to play treehugger, no doubt about it.
 
Better fuel economy resulting in longer driving range isn't valuable? Better low-end torque (instant thanks to electric motors) isn't valuable?

Saving 2mpg in City driving would be worth it alone, but I understand some who would have reliability questions
 
I like the idea of an electric motor torque-filling for a turbo 4-cylinder and would make that engine standard on the "soft-roader" base SR5 and Limited models in 2-wheel drive and 4-wheel drive drivetrains.

I'd suggest they use the 3.5 V6 and 8spd auto for any of the models with the "Off-Road" package/designation.
 

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