6th Generation Coming in 2022?

[mscot]

Yes. I know. That's not an indicator that they'll sacrifice quality and build the T4R in Mexico or US.
It's always been built in Japan, no real reason to change that especially if they no longer sale the TLC in the US.
I would think they would want to continue some kind of marque vehicle that's built in Japan.

 

[awhitney1]

It's going to be an all electric 4runner, going to be the Prius of off-roading.

 

[jimgsmith]

It's going to be an all electric 4runner, going to be the Prius of off-roading.

But all those batteries would make it a heavy vehicle...oh wait...nevermind.

 

[ChrisJHarney]

I wouldn't put too much trust in that 'article': DEALER FEATURED CONTENT

I bought my 2017 4Runner ORP for $40K and recently traded it in after 2.5 years with 43K miles and got $31K so about 78% at 30 months. The dealer I traded it in at currently has it listed for $34.8K. They'll probably sell it for $33K.

The article quoted KBB as the source of the resale value. :noidea:

My post was in response to someone who said Wranglers have terrible resale value, which they do not.

According to KBB, Wranglers sit just below the Tacoma for resale in the US for 2019. 4runner is not too far behind at #5. I'm sure there will always be exceptions, especially regionally where the 4runner would fetch a higher price on any given day.

 

[LyGuy]

It's going to be an all electric 4runner, going to be the Prius of off-roading.

Hey have you see how much torque a Tesla can put out

 

[DMC12Runner]

Since our purchase of our 2020 AG Pro, I keep getting surveys from Toyota and whatnot about the 4Runner. Basically, I've reiterated the high points of the TRD Pro in them to include the body on frame design, boxy/rugged styling, off-road capability, great visibility, seat comfort, cargo capacity, roll down rear window, etc. and have asked that they continue these features into a new generation. I also requested that they not replace the powertrain with the Tacoma set up but rather add a gear or so in the transmission. My main criticisms are lack of LED headlights and the 5 speed automatic simply because it is so old and outdated. The same can be said for the entire truck, but that is a huge reason we bought one because it is tried and true. This is a minor nitpick, but I also noticed after driving it a bit more there is no comfortable place for one's left arm if they are short and have the seat far forward because the door grab handle is in the way...

Toyota has a bit of a conundrum much like Porsche has with the 911 and Jeep with the Wrangler. They will have to redesign it eventually, but hopefully they don't stray too far from the formula that has made the 4Runner so successful. If they do what Jeep did with the new JL Wrangler vs. the JK Wrangler, they will have a winner. Additionally, if the Bronco is successful, which I believe it will be, Toyota may need to bring the FJ back with removable doors and roof to compete directly with that and the Wrangler.

 

[Rnc1592]

Additionally, if the Bronco is successful, which I believe it will be, Toyota may need to bring the FJ back with removable doors and roof to compete directly with that and the Wrangler.

I'd love to see a 1st gen style remake with removable top and a tailgate with the 6th gen

 

[BaddaBing]

Toyota New Model Release Dates

From YouTube channel, Everyman Driver. Photo of power point at Toyota meeting.

 

[williamlv282]

Why member are not allowed open a new Thread, how do one ask Question so SORRY to ask unrelated question.

If you would have an option to buy a 4runner limited 2018/20K miles or 2019/5K miles ($2200 more for 2019) which will be the better deal. So Sorry again for getting this question in this thread.

There's no difference between the two models and they both have such low miles I would go with the cheaper one. That being said, you may get better financing rates on a newer model.

 

[Thebeastlives]

Since our purchase of our 2020 AG Pro, I keep getting surveys from Toyota and whatnot about the 4Runner. Basically, I've reiterated the high points of the TRD Pro in them to include the body on frame design, boxy/rugged styling, off-road capability, great visibility, seat comfort, cargo capacity, roll down rear window, etc. and have asked that they continue these features into a new generation. I also requested that they not replace the powertrain with the Tacoma set up but rather add a gear or so in the transmission. My main criticisms are lack of LED headlights and the 5 speed automatic simply because it is so old and outdated. The same can be said for the entire truck, but that is a huge reason we bought one because it is tried and true. This is a minor nitpick, but I also noticed after driving it a bit more there is no comfortable place for one's left arm if they are short and have the seat far forward because the door grab handle is in the way...

Toyota has a bit of a conundrum much like Porsche has with the 911 and Jeep with the Wrangler. They will have to redesign it eventually, but hopefully they don't stray too far from the formula that has made the 4Runner so successful. If they do what Jeep did with the new JL Wrangler vs. the JK Wrangler, they will have a winner. Additionally, if the Bronco is successful, which I believe it will be, Toyota may need to bring the FJ back with removable doors and roof to compete directly with that and the Wrangler.

Well I don't agree with some of your points because history has proven that if something works you don't have to make it something that everyone wants to sale well. Just make it more of the thing that people love and offer another vehicle in your brand that people will like when it doesn't have your modern current features. The 911, wrangler and 4 runner is a perfect example. The 911 basic design has not changed much at all and will not change. It has only improved in areas that now make it the sport car that all sport cars are measured against. My 1st 911 would look at home next to the 2020 911 turbo S. My 1st 4 runner (96 3rd gen) looks good next to my 2018 Trd pro and it is 25 years old. The 4 runner is a true SUV and the basic body style and features are easily identified by almost any offroad enthusiast almost as much as the Wrangler. The germans got the 911 right out the box and other than modern features it will stay what we know as the 911 even when it goes hybrid. The Japanese got the 4 runner right back when my dad purchase the very first 1st gen. In 2022 it will improve with a hybrid platform. It will get better mpg but not as high as the highlander. It will perform similar to all 4 runner, not terribly slow but not as quick as a rav 4 or highlander. It will be comfortable but not like the GX or LX. It will have mid level amenities but not as many as the highlander. But if you are wanting an adventure vehicle that can get you into places that most vehicles can't possibly go and do it with the dog out the back window then the 2022 4 runner will be for you. Otherwise maybe the highlander is the pretty full of amenities great car like ride and ok offroad performance vehicle that some of you will want. One thing is for sure Toyota will not screw up the 4 runner (other than the limited edition and who wants that) or Landcrusier with tons of unnecessary pretty modern tech gadgets in order to please a few buyers. They will continue to keep it more basic than their crossover SUVs. After all, that simple rugged go anywhere last for years bad ass 4wd is what they have sold it to be for over 30 years and like the Germans they won't screw up this vehicle.

 

[LandCruiser]

Well I don't agree with some of your points because history has proven that if something works you don't have to make it something that everyone wants to sale well. Just make it more of the thing that people love and offer another vehicle in your brand that people will like when it doesn't have your modern current features. The 911, wrangler and 4 runner is a perfect example. The 911 basic design has not changed much at all and will not change. It has only improved in areas that now make it the sport car that all sport cars are measured against. My 1st 911 would look at home next to the 2020 911 turbo S. My 1st 4 runner (96 3rd gen) looks good next to my 2018 Trd pro and it is 25 years old. The 4 runner is a true SUV and the basic body style and features are easily identified by almost any offroad enthusiast almost as much as the Wrangler. The germans got the 911 right out the box and other than modern features it will stay what we know as the 911 even when it goes hybrid. The Japanese got the 4 runner right back when my dad purchase the very first 1st gen. In 2022 it will improve with a hybrid platform. It will get better mpg but not as high as the highlander. It will perform similar to all 4 runner, not terribly slow but not as quick as a rav 4 or highlander. It will be comfortable but not like the GX or LX. It will have mid level amenities but not as many as the highlander. But if you are wanting an adventure vehicle that can get you into places that most vehicles can't possibly go and do it with the dog out the back window then the 2022 4 runner will be for you. Otherwise maybe the highlander is the pretty full of amenities great car like ride and ok offroad performance vehicle that some of you will want. One thing is for sure Toyota will not screw up the 4 runner (other than the limited edition and who wants that) or Landcrusier with tons of unnecessary pretty modern tech gadgets in order to please a few buyers. They will continue to keep it more basic than their crossover SUVs. After all, that simple rugged go anywhere last for years bad ass 4wd is what they have sold it to be for over 30 years and like the Germans they won't screw up this vehicle.

The 992 is a rocketship full of computers compared to the first 911.

 

[arouth]

So at this point is the smart money on the 4Runner re-design being 2022 but as a 2023 model?

I feel like if it were one year out there would be more leaks at this point. As well as the fact that the 2020 4Runner received a lot of upgrades. I'm close to buying a 2020 4Runner so this might be me mostly hoping it does not come out 1 year after I buy one lol.

 

[dmk08]

So at this point is the smart money on the 4Runner re-design being 2022 but as a 2023 model?

I feel like if it were one year out there would be more leaks at this point. As well as the fact that the 2020 4Runner received a lot of upgrades. I'm close to buying a 2020 4Runner so this might be me mostly hoping it does not come out 1 year after I buy one lol.

I reluctantly reserved a new Bronco cause Im tired of waiting on a new T4R to be announced. Going from unicorn 4th gen to the Bronco. Was never sold on the 5th gen.

 

[TacoRunn0517]

I reluctantly reserved a new Bronco cause Im tired of waiting on a new T4R to be announced. Going from unicorn 4th gen to the Bronco. Was never sold on the 5th gen.

It is now your responsibility to follow through so we have true ownership feedback in a couple of years haha!

 

[Flyer]

I reluctantly reserved a new Bronco cause Im tired of waiting on a new T4R to be announced. Going from unicorn 4th gen to the Bronco. Was never sold on the 5th gen.

Enjoy! It will be hard to come back unless Toyota hits it out of the park with their 22/23 models. I drove the recent trucks and Toyota was the worst driving and the most dated. I was pretty shocked at how dated it felt. On top of that, it is no cheaper. They really need to up their game with the SUVs and truck. I simply can't pay that kind of cash for such a dated vehicle that looks like 2010 all over again. Okay, so not that 2020 is a great year...

 

[Jetboy]

Enjoy! It will be hard to come back unless Toyota hits it out of the park with their 22/23 models. I drove the recent trucks and Toyota was the worst driving and the most dated. I was pretty shocked at how dated it felt. On top of that, it is no cheaper. They really need to up their game with the SUVs and truck. I simply can't pay that kind of cash for such a dated vehicle that looks like 2010 all over again. Okay, so not that 2020 is a great year...

It's unfortunate we have to choose between - for example our last GMC HD2500 that had a front diff sieze at 15k miles, transfer case at 40k miles, Allison automatic spit gears out at 80k miles, a crank position sensor failed (that GM put in the ****ing bell housing...). This list is much longer - that's just the highlights from the first 100k. Or what? A way over-due Tundra? I'd probably still buy the Tundra. Spending a few unplanned in rural Arizona when the transfer case blew up while waiting for replacement is more not fun than driving an out dated Tundra.

 

[kfs-4runner]

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Hey have you see how much torque a Tesla can put out

No not really interested :noidea: I have yet to see a charging station out on a trail. I have seen what they look like when they catch on fire and the fire department tries to put them out.

 

[Flyer]

Plenty of cracked Tundra frames around. See those? No? Google. My buddy's 2014 4Runner- transmission related at 5,000 miles. Nobody is immune. I am sure my Jeep and GMC will have some issues but pretty good so far. No major shop visits. Yeah, I'm not spending 60K on a high-end truck and buying basically a 2010. Feel free to. I get your point but my (albeit limited) experiences with GMC and Chrysler have been good enough to buy one or two (soon) of their trucks. Toyota has to get up to at least 2019 to get my money anymore.

It's unfortunate we have to choose between - for example our last GMC HD2500 that had a front diff sieze at 15k miles, transfer case at 40k miles, Allison automatic spit gears out at 80k miles, a crank position sensor failed (that GM put in the ****ing bell housing...). This list is much longer - that's just the highlights from the first 100k. Or what? A way over-due Tundra? I'd probably still buy the Tundra. Spending a few unplanned in rural Arizona when the transfer case blew up while waiting for replacement is more not fun than driving an out dated Tundra.

 

[Jetboy]

Plenty of cracked Tundra frames around. See those? No? Google. My buddy's 2014 4Runner- transmission related at 5,000 miles. Nobody is immune. I am sure my Jeep and GMC will have some issues but pretty good so far. No major shop visits. Yeah, I'm not spending 60K on a high-end truck and buying basically a 2010. Feel free to. I get your point but my (albeit limited) experiences with GMC and Chrysler have been good enough to buy one or two (soon) of their trucks. Toyota has to get up to at least 2019 to get my money anymore.

No one is immune. But all of that was on the SAME one truck. In the case of the front diff - it had never had oil in it ever. So it was shipped from GM with no gear oil. That's the sort of quality control problem that plagues GM. And poor engineering. A crank position sensor inside the bell housing? There's no reason that should ever exist. And if it does, it should at least be accessible from the bottom, not the top. It requires removing the cab to access in the FSM. Not once have I ever seen any Toyota product with that type of shortcut in engineering. Toyota's BOF are way out of date. I'm fully in agreement with that. But they were properly engineered to begin with.


Fortunately there's data kept and we really don't have to argue.

 

[Flyer]

No need to argue. I was not implying that you were lying. Actually, the data does not seem significantly different at a quick glance. I am quite sure the incidence of problems and issues are in fact higher with domestic trucks but my experience has been good. My Duramax diesel has been 100% reliable even though it is a torque monster and a diesel. Fingers crossed. I'd maybe go back to gas if it were powerful enough and a really updated Tundra, since it is unlikely I'll pull anything over 5,000 lbs or so. Just not the current Tundra is all.