'85 Surf

OzSurf

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So I started in the Toyota world with a 3rd Gen. Surf, have had it for around 9 years now.

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It has done a bit of touring but not a lot of serious off-road work. After having the head crack and spending a loooong time trying to sort out the cooling system to stop it warming up up hills and when towing, I had the LBJ go and I decided I didn't really trust it anymore. I wanted to build it into a truck that I could keep for a long time and eventually use it to tour Australia, but these two issues are always in the back of my mind when I'm driving.

So I started looking into 1st Gen's and decided that's what I needed. I like the simplicity and I have always liked the shape of these trucks and the removable roof, also, i'm not a fan of big trucks like the Landcruiser or the Nissan Patrol. I picked this one up in March.

I wasn't looking for a solid axle, however this one popped up at a reasonable price so I snapped it up. This is what I'm starting with;

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-1985 Toyota Hilux Surf SSR
-2L (2.4l) diesel with approx 340,000km's (originally a 4Y petrol)
-33 x 12.5 Cooper Discoverer STT's (done around 5000km's)
-Custom Tube Bar
-Ironman 9500lbs Winch with Synthetic Rope
-Homemade overhead console
-GME TX3100 UHF
-EFS 3" Springs
-Amadaxtreme shocks
-Extended Shackles
-Tight LSD in the rear
-IFS Rear diff
-Spacers on the front
-Regeared to suit 33's


Drove it 3 hours home, it sits on about 95km/h comfortably. Parked it up in the driveway and started to get it to how I like it.

The paint is pretty average, has had rust repairs and touched up with a color match spray can and has plenty of bush pinstripes. Underneath has been paint bombed black, all the chrome trims were sprayed over either black or color matched to the truck or removed. Its a 'good from far' kinda job. I'm glad I didn't have to deal with any real body rust though, there is a small amount underneath the rear which I'll sort out easily.

I'm a big fan of tasteful chrome so I picked up some new chrome handles, a 1st Gen Pickup grille and some 86-89 headlight doors. This is what I ended up with;

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I noticed the drivers side axle seal had gone, so I picked up a few sets of OEM inner axle seals and a Rock Ring kit and dove into my first experience with a solid front axle. After pulling everything apart, I noticed the axle was worn where it was sitting on the seal and previous owners had done a very rough job removing/installing the seals. Picked up a new axle/cv and put it all back together.

Next up was the height, unfortunately in Australia we have some stupid laws. In my state, the maximum overall lift allowed is 2 inches. This includes extra tire height, body lift and suspension lift. I figured I would make it somewhat legal and purchased a 2" lift with EFS Springs and Amadaxtreme Shocks, the same setup that is in there just 1" and a bit lower.

That's where I'm up to for now, just need to torque the U-Bolts on the front and then put the old 30" wheels on there and get it registered. The 33's will definitely be going back on as I like the ride the bigger sidewalls give.

Major plans for the future include a Softopper (very high on the list) and possibly a 3RZ swap. Thinking about something similar to a 'carpet kit' in the rear. I have a drawer in the 3rd Gen and honestly it's kind of ruined the car for me, so I would like to have something modular or at least very minimal. Other than that I just want to get it back to being a nice tidy daily driver/touring rig.
 
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I'm pretty sure it's not a Hilux surf if it had a original gas engine but I may be wrong as the United States is too stupid to allow the world's best truck to be sold here

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I'm pretty sure it's not a Hilux surf if it had a original gas engine but I may be wrong as the United States is too stupid to allow the world's best truck to be sold here

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Down under the 3Y and later the 4Y were standard.
 
I'm pretty sure it's not a Hilux surf if it had a original gas engine but I may be wrong as the United States is too stupid to allow the world's best truck to be sold here

Down under the 3Y and later the 4Y were standard.

fourwd1 is correct, mine was actually 3Y (not a 4Y as I posted). Our engine choices for 4Runners and Surfs were 3Y, 2L, or 2L-T, no 22R/E's or V6's.

You found a good one!

I hope so!

Hell yeah badass rig. Wish mine had a diesel

Cheers mate.


Trying to find torque specs for the U-Bolts. Anyone help me out? The manual says 123Nm however that is extremely high, and most of what I can find on the internet says anywhere between 80-120Nm. Thinking I'll go to 90 as a middle ground and check torque after a few hundred K's.
 
It was originally a 3Y, which is an underpowered, thirsty motor. The previous owner changed to a 2L (diesel), which is still underpowered yet reliable, however this one has done around 330,000km's. I'll probably get another 100,000 out of it before it needs major work (hopefully). I figure at that stage I'll upgrade to the 3RZ. Still a reliable engine, should have a lot more power and still have reasonable economy. The easy option is the 3L or 5L, however they are still slow and have pretty poor economy for a diesel.
 
So I started in the Toyota world with a 3rd Gen. Surf, have had it for around 9 years now.


It has done a bit of touring but not a lot of serious off-road work. After having the head crack and spending a loooong time trying to sort out the cooling system to stop it warming up up hills and when towing, I had the LBJ go and I decided I didn't really trust it anymore. I wanted to build it into a truck that I could keep for a long time and eventually use it to tour Australia, but these two issues are always in the back of my mind when I'm driving.

So I started looking into 1st Gen's and decided that's what I needed. I like the simplicity and I have always liked the shape of these trucks and the removable roof, also, i'm not a fan of big trucks like the Landcruiser or the Nissan Patrol. I picked this one up in March.

I wasn't looking for a solid axle, however this one popped up at a reasonable price so I snapped it up. This is what I'm starting with;



-1985 Toyota Hilux Surf SSR
-2L (2.4l) diesel with approx 340,000km's (originally a 4Y petrol)
-33 x 12.5 Cooper Discoverer STT's (done around 5000km's)
-Custom Tube Bar
-Ironman 9500lbs Winch with Synthetic Rope
-Homemade overhead console
-GME TX3100 UHF
-EFS 3" Springs
-Amadaxtreme shocks
-Extended Shackles
-Tight LSD in the rear
-IFS Rear diff
-Spacers on the front
-Regeared to suit 33's[/I




Sweet! and welcome. Would love to see more of you folks on here
 
Thanks greatape.

Progress has been slow, I got the smaller wheels back on, and have been working on fitting a 2nd battery. Reading on a few forums, a few people used the 2LTE airbox, which leaves room for a battery tray and supposedly bolts straight in. So i picked one up and got to work.

Well i found out it was nowhere near a direct fit, not sure if thats because i have a snorkel fitted, but i had to relocate the intake pipe 90 degrees, lower the outlet, drill a hole in the guard and trim the filter to intake hose. Pretty happy with how it came out.

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How it currently sits
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Need to put the passenger side mudflap on and mount the battery tray next, then I should be able to get it registered. Cannot wait to get this thing out on a trail and see what it can do!
 
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So I got the Surf road legal just before Christmas/New Years. Drove it around for a few days, then took it on a weekend away.

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(attempted flexing)

Car was loaded down with me, a Waeco, Tent & Swag, 33" Spare and that was about it. The front springs really need to come down a bit to sit level. Need to get the winch and dual battery in there soon.

All went well until I got on the freeway and after about 10mins, couldn't get above 40-50km/h. Thought the truck must be overheating so pulled over to the side of the road. Waited for a few mins then took off again. All seemed OK. It went great the rest of the weekend, driving around a friends farm. Got back a few days later and took off on another trip (approx. 1500km's). I started to notice the car lacking power a few times and realised the brakes are sticking. Seems like the bellcranks are out of adjustment and I cannot get the bolt to go far enough in so the handbrake is dragging once it heats up and if the levers haven't released properly, so think I will need to pull the drums and replace shoes and grease everything.

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Apart from that I am more than happy with this thing. I've taken it done a few challenging tracks and it has performed perfectly. When the brakes aren't sticking, it still has enough power to get around town and almost feels fast, although only sits comfortably doing around 95km/h.

The steering is a bit sketchy at higher speeds, not sure if this is a characteristic of the solid axle? I've heard crossover steering fixes this but that's another thing that's not legal to do so I've learnt to deal with it.

Once I got back from the trip a leak had developed from the rocker cover so off it came.

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Everything looks nice up top. Checked the timing belt and changed the water pump while I had it off the road. Repainted the rocker cover and put it all back together and out for a test drive. Found a nice solid axle Hilux to park next to.

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I decided this car would be staying with me for a while, so picked up a Softopper.

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I've just picked up a set of doors with the wing mirrors which will be going in soon, also feels like the G52 is dying so will most likely be putting a W56 in it's place. Also thinking about 33x10.5's so I can remove the garden edging flares, but will have to see if the wheels will sit inline with the body and not stick out too far.
 
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The steering is a bit sketchy at higher speeds, not sure if this is a characteristic of the solid axle? I've heard crossover steering fixes this but that's another thing that's not legal to do so I've learnt to deal with it.

that sucks that you can't convert to cross-over (high steer) it is a huge improvement over the stock push pull steering.

Things to check that could improve your steering would be to check the usual stuff -(which you probably did) would be tie rod ends, bearings, drag link,

There is a nut and screw on top of the steering box that you might be able to tighten the steering up a little
 

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Love that charcoal gray colour.
That's what my '83 was before I painted it camo.

Thanks, it's a great color!

that sucks that you can't convert to cross-over (high steer) it is a huge improvement over the stock push pull steering.

Things to check that could improve your steering would be to check the usual stuff -(which you probably did) would be tie rod ends, bearings, drag link,

There is a nut and screw on top of the steering box that you might be able to tighten the steering up a little

Yeah, if it was easily reversible I would do it, as if I get picked up by the cops without an Engineers Certificate, it would be put off the road for good.

The steering was a lot better when I first got the car, so I'm guessing it may be the drag link adjustment. I'm halfway through the rear brake job at the moment so will check that once it's back on all 4's. Thanks for the tips!

Where did you get that sun visor? I love it. Actually I like your whole truck. Good Job shes an absolute beauty.

Thanks, Sun Visor is from a place in South Australia.
 
Finally got the rear brakes sorted, after ordering 2 sets of shoes (the place I ordered them stated box contained one 'set', didn't realise that did both sides :rant: ), I got them all assembled, cleaned and painted bellcranks, went to slide the drums on and they would not fit at all. I had taken into account that the axle was the wider IFS housing with bigger drums, ordered the shoes to suit the bigger drums but not the wider housing :censored:. I also damaged one of the rubbers on the wheel cylinder so I picked up the correct set of shoes and some new cylinders, reassembled it all for the 4th time (I'm REAL fast at fitting and removing shoes now!) then adjusted bellcranks (with handbrake cable un-attached). Hooked it all up and bled the brakes. The fluid that came out was filthy so did a complete flush and replace.

Went to adjust the brakes up, starting with loosening the handbrake cable under the drivers side floorpan and determined I have no more adjustment and the bellcrank stop bolts still don't hit the housing. I'm guessing whoever swapped the IFS housing didn't fit the appropriate handbrake cable, so have ordered one to suit an IFS 1st Gen. Hopefully this will have the correct width at the rear and will fix the problem I was having with my brakes not releasing.

Meanwhile I still have to locate a D/S seatbelt, as mine no longer retracts. 1st Gen's are not so easy to find and all the ones I've found at the wreckers have either had the seatbelts cut, or don't retract either. I'm guessing one from an LN65 will fit however haven't been able to find one. Does anyone know if the second gen seatbelt will fit as I can find plenty of those?
 
The seat belts from a 2G will fit, however will they work? Most likely not because seat-belt retraction is one area Toyota absolutely SUCKS at! I've got '01 and '03 Tacomas, and an '05 Tundra. Not one retracts well. I heard somewhere that Subaru belts make a big improvement with a bit of fitting. GL :cheers:
 
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Did you get your steering sorted?

If not can you post a picture of the steering setup? I'm curious if it's similar to the Y link on my XJ which I went through top to bottom to get it working correctly again.

With that being said, my issues related to a couple worn out parts (it's an 88 I bought for 1500$ from some sketchy folk).

1.) Steering box was toasted, it has the same adjustment process as you indicated in the picture you posted but that's just tightening friction on the worm gear and is not a resolution for a worn out steering gearbox. Mine had an 1/8th turn of play in it and at high speeds/hitting bumps it's pretty horrifying.
2.) My Hubs were bad, like fell apart in my hands bad. So they wobbled causing it to resonate through the steering linkage causing death wobble.
3.) Finally all the bushings were toast especially the TREs. I went to a larger Diameter tie-rod and OEM ends and it did the trick. I have looked into spherical ends (jonny joints) and would have gone that route if I had a reamer handy

I have read a couple times on here about people recommending steering stabilizers to help but from my experience, while nice, they are just a bandaid instead of a fix.

Love your truck man!

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