My Touareg has better specs than either.
Shame what VW did to that platform and diesels in general.
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My Touareg has better specs than either.
Shame what VW did to that platform and diesels in general.
I love the 17 4Runner.
Better than my 2010 FJ, which I thought was the kitty's titties.
Yes, the 4.0 is old, and easy to work on, easy to get parts for.
Any Nav system will be obsolete is a couple of years (if not already), wasted on me, I'd rather have a tablet with Waze, weather apps, can move from one vehicle to another. I'd rather just buy a new tablet in a couple of years than trying to work on/upgrade a built-in system.
I have 3 friends that have newer Wranglers, 2 of them swear they will never buy another Jeep again. Trans problems, a/c problems, at the stealership 1-2 times a month, yes under warranty, but who wants to ride that merry-go-round?
BOF construction and Toyo reliability got me here.
Better than my 2010 FJ, which I thought was the kitty's titties.
Yes, the 4.0 is old, and easy to work on, easy to get parts for.
Any Nav system will be obsolete is a couple of years (if not already), wasted on me, I'd rather have a tablet with Waze, weather apps, can move from one vehicle to another. I'd rather just buy a new tablet in a couple of years than trying to work on/upgrade a built-in system.
I have 3 friends that have newer Wranglers, 2 of them swear they will never buy another Jeep again. Trans problems, a/c problems, at the stealership 1-2 times a month, yes under warranty, but who wants to ride that merry-go-round?
BOF construction and Toyo reliability got me here.
Brandonium
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My Touareg was night and day better as far as build quality, power and amenities than the 4Runner but it was also expensive to maintain. Funny but that 350hp V8 got the same economy as my 4R does but it could move out of it's own way even when loaded up with people/cargo.
My 4Runner needs to be kicked in the balls to move. You shouldn't have to stand on any accelerator to get the vehicle to want to move.
And YES, well aware it's not a race car but it also doesn't have to be a traffic hazard at times either.
Don't get me wrong, I love my 4R... but it seriously lacks in many areas that are a no brainer these days. To have a V6 that produces it's torgue so high in the RPM range is just absurd. For a vehicle this size and to have max torque available at 4400 is the best they could do? :director:
I have no issue with the interior for the most part. I'd like a bigger nav screen but I'm ok with what's in mine. It's a want not a need.
Sure there are some who see absolutely nothing wrong with the way it is now but I can both enjoy and like my 4R for what it is while still holding Toyota accountable for dropping the ball or being lazy in other areas. :nod:
My 4Runner needs to be kicked in the balls to move. You shouldn't have to stand on any accelerator to get the vehicle to want to move.
And YES, well aware it's not a race car but it also doesn't have to be a traffic hazard at times either.
Don't get me wrong, I love my 4R... but it seriously lacks in many areas that are a no brainer these days. To have a V6 that produces it's torgue so high in the RPM range is just absurd. For a vehicle this size and to have max torque available at 4400 is the best they could do? :director:
I have no issue with the interior for the most part. I'd like a bigger nav screen but I'm ok with what's in mine. It's a want not a need.
Sure there are some who see absolutely nothing wrong with the way it is now but I can both enjoy and like my 4R for what it is while still holding Toyota accountable for dropping the ball or being lazy in other areas. :nod:
Odd. I'm at 79k and only had a couple sensors go out. I do need to replace a glow plug and I haven't replaced the brakes or battery yet, which is why I have ordered a '17 T4R that will be here EOM.
I want to give it back to VW (to be crushed, sadly) before i have to spend a dime on it.
But, it's been a great vehicle and pretty capable offload given its limitation on tire size (31.5). But, I can get 14" of ground clearance with my air suspension so that wasn't a big concern.
The poor aftermarket support and the abandonment of the platform by VW has been disappointing.
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MossJenks
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Wait until you get the Touareg out past 150k miles! Ouch.
You should try driving an old 3.slow! :ballchain:
Honestly I have no idea what you're talking about. Yes, whatever vehicle you have there will always be something more powerful but talking about a 5th gen not being able to "get out of it's own way" or being a "traffic hazard" is utterly ridiculous.
Yesterday my truck accelerated up the back side of Floyd Hill from 60 to 85, was balked by traffic, then accelerated again from 60 to 90 effortlessly. And still had more to give. I know that probably means nothing to you (it's a steep highway grade west of Denver) but that impressed the hell out of me and I'm sure the drivers of the cars left foundering in my wake as well. Yes, I did "stand on the accelerator" - that's the "go fast" position!
Brandonium
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I gave mine up at around 80k after $1400 in brakes and $ $1350 in tires. I had a big service approaching and had a check engine light that decided to pop up and I was already fatigued by having to replace those tires every 25k. Plus oil changes were not cheap. I did love it but it served its purpose. I've always been a VW guy but not very happy with VW as of late. I was lacking air suspension as I had the sport suspension. I wanted the V10 TDI but after seeing the cost of replacing the particulate filters as a maintenance item I ran away. :lmao:
MossJenks
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Yeah, I just jumped from an Audi A4 with 190k miles that was always expensive to maintain but is now just eating me alive. There's nothing wrong with the main mechanical units but lots of little things that cost a lot of money going wrong. Big reason why I got another Toyota - yeah I did miss my old Runners but foremost in my mind was getting away from the maintenance and repair bills. I bet you took a wicked hit in depreciation too. Don't know anything about Touareg pricing but used Audis aren't worth much.
alphabeast
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Problem solved. Mod sticky request? :bravo:
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Brandonium
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My old Scout is not fast by any means but having what torque it makes available early on makes a world of difference when accelerating. I don't like having to go balls to the wall at slower speeds to get it to move. Sure, she will skedaddle on the highway when I am at a decent clip but I think it could be much much better than what it is today.
I live in a hilly area but I daresay it's not colorado.
I often find myself having to kick it in the balls to get it to keep pace on a slower climb in traffic just to get my ass moving without getting honked at.
I live in a hilly area but I daresay it's not colorado.
I often find myself having to kick it in the balls to get it to keep pace on a slower climb in traffic just to get my ass moving without getting honked at.
Brandonium
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Let's just say I walked out of the dealership walking as though I had been on horseback for 48 hours. :whoo:
Is what it is
Long time lurker here but finally felt the need to jump in. Had a 1997 Limited that was bulletproof that I traded in on the first year Sequoia. I bet that 3 Gen is still on the road somewhere. In 2008 I again was looking for a 4runner but decided on the Pathfinder because of price, and a few features that it had such as the back up camera and lighted buttons. Things were great until it hit 140k miles then all heck broke loose with the transmission, check engine lights, and wanting to overheat past 70mph. That's when I decided to go back to a 2015 blue Limited. I know what I have with this. Something that looks and feels good and will get me out and back time and time again. May not be the most advanced vehicle in the world, but 10 years from now when I'm still chugging along in it, the other SUVS of its (this)era that are so advanced now will be just as obsolete in the future. That's if they are still on the road.
Long time lurker here but finally felt the need to jump in. Had a 1997 Limited that was bulletproof that I traded in on the first year Sequoia. I bet that 3 Gen is still on the road somewhere. In 2008 I again was looking for a 4runner but decided on the Pathfinder because of price, and a few features that it had such as the back up camera and lighted buttons. Things were great until it hit 140k miles then all heck broke loose with the transmission, check engine lights, and wanting to overheat past 70mph. That's when I decided to go back to a 2015 blue Limited. I know what I have with this. Something that looks and feels good and will get me out and back time and time again. May not be the most advanced vehicle in the world, but 10 years from now when I'm still chugging along in it, the other SUVS of its (this)era that are so advanced now will be just as obsolete in the future. That's if they are still on the road.
The 10 year old GM's are not even in the same category as the new ones. There is a reason GM discontinued the old generation. This new generation is a much better vehicle. An the interior is light years ahead of Toyota's
As far as the shocks go on the ZR2...yes they are not proven but does that matter? I mean most of the people here that pay extra for suspension on the TRD PRO replace said suspension. Also I can see my definition of an overlanding vehicle is different than some here.
Thanks for your opinion, but can you even buy a new VW diesel in the US now? No you can't and it's possible we will not get one in the future either. That sucks!
https://www.engadget.com/2017/03/30/volkswagen-can-sell-some-diesel-cars-in-the-us-again/
GottaSkiBC
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Having just swapped a 2011 GL350 for a 2015 SR5 Premium I can confirm all this. If you want to pay for a new GL under warranty you're probably fine, but there's so much tech/sensors going on that >100,000km you're looking at a steady stream of "minor" but not necessarily inexpensive replacement parts (i.e. LED side view mirrors, parking sensors x8, etc.)... plus there are some bigger issues that plague the GLs (oil coolant seal leaks, air suspension leaks). Maybe the newer models have addressed these, but they are $$$ to deal with and can cascade into bigger issues. MB Diesel reputation for "bulletproof" quality was lost probably a decade ago.
The GL was well designed (layout, functionality) and for a full-size vehicle to get 9-10 L/100km highway (could go 1,000km per tank loaded and with a roof box). It was a dream on long roadtrips. Technically capable off-road, but a vehicle that size needed to be on wide, low profile street rubber... and no spare tire! (diesels only)
I never thought I'd say it, but keyless entry/push button start is super convenient, as is a remote back hatch, driver seat position memory, and auto headlights. As many here have been saying - these seem like very simple improvements that could've made to the 4Runner years ago. Other tech, like parking sensors, dual/auto climate control, auto wipers are more trouble than their worth IMO. And for a true off-road capable rig, I think most of us would be willing to sacrifice fuel efficiency, on road handling and even some of the advanced safety features that are out now.
The review is pretty accurate... It's what the average C&D reader probably needs to hear.
83Mule
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I would like to have a little more torque, even at the expense of top horsepower but let's admit We are relatively ''fine'' compared to the 22R or worse, my 3.slow/auto with 32's where I had to turn off the A/C to climb any mild grade towing two JetSki's! I really can't complain about the 4.0 much. Keep it a 4L and put some modern heads on it to get the torque up around 300 +a 6speed that works and call it good.
I like to think that it's safer too. I kinda like having both hands free in parking lots. Just saying.
That isn't an opinion.
As for your question. VW is killing the Touareg altogether, so no. Not that it matters, the 2010 was the last year it was off-roadable anyway.
VW will only bring shitbox econo people movers and the GTi to the states going forward. They have lost their soul to the accountants and millennials.
Yeah...pretty sure that is an opinion.
Thanks for your opinion. I like the GTI. Wish they would bring the truck over. The Tow Rag? I could care less as there are so many choices in that segment and I wouldn't choose it.
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Had both of these on my last car before the 4. The keyless entry is pretty sweet. I was not a fan of the push button start. YMMV.
philsey
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Yeah, I just don't get all the fawning over this feature. You still have to carry a key or a fob - you still have to reach up and twist the key or punch a button.
Same with auto headlights, and rain-sensing wipers: don't ppl know when it's dark ... or raining? Sheesh. Some of this stuff is just silly.
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