SacStateHornets
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That will be standard on the Limited.
They will have TRD Pro and TRD Bidet line also.
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That will be standard on the Limited.
They will have TRD Pro and TRD Bidet line also.
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Throwback
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My previous weekend runabout and off road vehicle was the 1966 CJ5 pictured below so the 4Runner's ability to drive on the interstate while using air conditioning on the way to the trails made me feel like Marty in the DeLorean.
When I decided to buy a more modern 4x4 to also use as a daily driver I also test drove a JK Rubicon and it was basically just like the CJ would be if it ran on an electric motor and was more cramped inside. That was a very short, disappointing test drive.
The 4Runner felt like a space ship in comparison to the CJ and JK, *and* it had a diff locker which I always wanted in the CJ, *and* it could tow a good size trailer, *and* I could use it to travel for work, *and* I could use it for family vacations, *and* I could drive straight to the mountains and trail ride without a trailer, *and* I could get rid of an F150 and the CJ, *and* the 4Runner is super reliable and holds value like a champ.
(I never thought much about butt heaters or push button starts)
When I decided to buy a more modern 4x4 to also use as a daily driver I also test drove a JK Rubicon and it was basically just like the CJ would be if it ran on an electric motor and was more cramped inside. That was a very short, disappointing test drive.
The 4Runner felt like a space ship in comparison to the CJ and JK, *and* it had a diff locker which I always wanted in the CJ, *and* it could tow a good size trailer, *and* I could use it to travel for work, *and* I could use it for family vacations, *and* I could drive straight to the mountains and trail ride without a trailer, *and* I could get rid of an F150 and the CJ, *and* the 4Runner is super reliable and holds value like a champ.
(I never thought much about butt heaters or push button starts)
So, back to the article... there are 2 parts to it: the text, and the charts. I think the testing they did to build the charts is probably close to accurate. But the text is typical of writers who are on a message directed to them from above by their bosses for whatever reason. I saw this same thing when we went shopping for a new car for my wife. We liked the Honda Crosstour, but man, were the reviews horrible. Funny thing, if we read the articles of long-term testing, the testers loved the car. But the original articles trashed it. Anyway, we got one and after 3 years couldn't be happier with it. A great vehicle, but the bad publicity (mostly about the rear end) killed it. But in this article, the testing doesn't match the text. As has been said here already, the 4Runner is high in most of the categories tested, so it comes out very well overall. I think there's some political shading going on here, honestly. The 4Runner goes against the current glitzy trends, and we can't have that, now can we?
I just traded in my 2004 4Runner Limited. I was sorry to see it go, but with about 150K miles on it, it was at the point where I could see some investments coming up to keep it going - new battery (still had the original), leaky radiator, brakes, tires, not big things, really. But in total, they added up.
But there were 2 main reasons why I got my 2017 4Runner Limited - cargo carrying capacity, including a roof rack that could hold more than crossovers can, and reliability. My 2004 didn't owe me a penny. What a great truck. So I expect to see the same thing with my new one.
Our Crosstour has most of the new tech on it, like lane departure warning. And honestly, we turn things like that off as much as we can. I don't need the car beeping at me to stay in my lane. As for the 4Runner, it doesn't have a blind spot monitoring camera. So, learn how to adjust your mirrors correctly, and you have that. It doesn't have LED headlights. We have a 2017 RDX in the family, and it does, and I don't see any advantage with them. The 4Runner doesn't have adaptive cruise control. So learn to stay awake and aware when you're driving and you won't need it. And the list goes on with new tech items. How many of those things do you really need?
I've had my new Limited for a whole week now, and I still love it...
ound: I make up reasons to go drive it. It is more than I expected. I don't really intend to take it offroad much, and then only light duty stuff, trails and beaches and so on. So reading articles like this one pains me because the "dinosaur" perspective they take misses the point entirely. I really believe that there is no other truck at this or any close price point which does everything as well as the 4Runner does. That doesn't mean it's for everyone. But it's not the antiquated, undesirable failure that this article, and many other ones, makes it out to be.
I just traded in my 2004 4Runner Limited. I was sorry to see it go, but with about 150K miles on it, it was at the point where I could see some investments coming up to keep it going - new battery (still had the original), leaky radiator, brakes, tires, not big things, really. But in total, they added up.
But there were 2 main reasons why I got my 2017 4Runner Limited - cargo carrying capacity, including a roof rack that could hold more than crossovers can, and reliability. My 2004 didn't owe me a penny. What a great truck. So I expect to see the same thing with my new one.
Our Crosstour has most of the new tech on it, like lane departure warning. And honestly, we turn things like that off as much as we can. I don't need the car beeping at me to stay in my lane. As for the 4Runner, it doesn't have a blind spot monitoring camera. So, learn how to adjust your mirrors correctly, and you have that. It doesn't have LED headlights. We have a 2017 RDX in the family, and it does, and I don't see any advantage with them. The 4Runner doesn't have adaptive cruise control. So learn to stay awake and aware when you're driving and you won't need it. And the list goes on with new tech items. How many of those things do you really need?
I've had my new Limited for a whole week now, and I still love it...
ound: I make up reasons to go drive it. It is more than I expected. I don't really intend to take it offroad much, and then only light duty stuff, trails and beaches and so on. So reading articles like this one pains me because the "dinosaur" perspective they take misses the point entirely. I really believe that there is no other truck at this or any close price point which does everything as well as the 4Runner does. That doesn't mean it's for everyone. But it's not the antiquated, undesirable failure that this article, and many other ones, makes it out to be.
fogcitysurfer
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I agree with what you say. Auto reviewers expect every new vehicle to be more innovative than the last. Toyota found a niche with the Gen 1 and stayed with the formula until the Gen 4, where I think they got a little off track and it seems like sales eventually showed that. It was viewed as more of a "grocery getter" than the previous generations and lost potential upgraders. Gen 5 comes along and reinvigorates the faithful, and adds enough niceties to appease a larger audience. But still, the people that don't drive 4runners and don't know why we like them and how we use them, well they want more. All they can say is that you are not keeping up. For $40k you're not going to keep up. You can't produce a vehicle with this much off road ability AND all the extras and make it cost effective, and maybe not even as reliable. You can't have both, not for $40k.
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I don't know that I'd compare putting my hand in my pocket to retrieve a key and getting up off the couch and walking to the TV every time you change the channel. Smart keys are more like using your phone app to turn the TV on and off versus finding the TV remote when you decide to watch TV.
I like smart keys but they aren't a deal breaker. It is awesome for my wife because the key is always in her purse and she never has to dive in there to find it with the smart key. My left front pocket is for my keys and my right front is for my phone, so it isn't as big of an advantage. I will say that it was nice to have in our Prius v and Rav4 when my daughter was very young and I had my hands full a lot more often. Now that she is nearly 5, I don't miss the smart key as much. Honestly, I'd take memory seats over the smart key. My wife always has my seat all screwed up because she rides up against the steering wheel*. Since she drives the 4Runner as often as I do, this is a much bigger annoyance.
*I've tried to explain to her that it is much more dangerous to be right on top of the steering wheel, but that is how she drives. :frusty:
83Mule
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Just a reminder of how far We have come.......but I really enjoyed My First Gen!http://www.toyota-4runner.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=262633&stc=1&d=1501969627View attachment 262633http://www.toyota-4runner.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=262634&stc=1&d=1501969736http://www.toyota-4runner.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=262635&stc=1&d=1501969794
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MossJenks
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^^^^^ Yeah man! ^^^^^
I'm not sure if we've progressed for the good or not. If my 1st gen wasn't such a beater it would have been my favorite. As it is my 2nd gen is my favorite - a real honey when I got her that thrived on abuse - but the 1st was so fun out wheeling with the top off. Simple and slow but comfortable on the road and a real beast off of it. My favorite activity was yanking stuck jeeps out of the middle of the trail so I could keep going. Oh, and the hippy girls bouncing around in it trying to keep the keg from getting too shaken up.......ahh......those were the days!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72bPUXefB8c
I'm not sure if we've progressed for the good or not. If my 1st gen wasn't such a beater it would have been my favorite. As it is my 2nd gen is my favorite - a real honey when I got her that thrived on abuse - but the 1st was so fun out wheeling with the top off. Simple and slow but comfortable on the road and a real beast off of it. My favorite activity was yanking stuck jeeps out of the middle of the trail so I could keep going. Oh, and the hippy girls bouncing around in it trying to keep the keg from getting too shaken up.......ahh......those were the days!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72bPUXefB8c
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phillyd2
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I'm one of the silly ones because I love them. My 250 has a key that needs to be inserted and turned to start it. How primitive At least it as auto headlights. I have turned on headlights in almost a decade.
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I have experience with a Jeep CJ and a Ford Bronco II. That makes it very hard to consider those makers. When I priced a Jeep Wrangler, it ended up with a cost over $40K.
The off roading that I do means that I need low range and locking differential and I like the transfer case shift lever
I ended up comparing the Tacoma and the 4Runner. T4R TE has better seating position, 4 wheel disk brakes, coil springs all around, and a shorter wheelbase. I have driven hundreds of miles with 4 adults and a child in a car seat in my '16 T4R TEP. Loaded that way, it still holds 75 MPH up hills on the highway (at over 4000 feet elevation).
I like manual AC controls and headlights that I can turn off. I added sliders so I have steps.
Uni-body SUVs that don't have a low range or high clearance don't compare.
It might be a dinosaur, but it's the right vehicle for me. That rear window that goes down gives better ventilation.
I would like better mileage, but what's the mileage for a Wrangler?
I have experience with a Jeep CJ and a Ford Bronco II. That makes it very hard to consider those makers. When I priced a Jeep Wrangler, it ended up with a cost over $40K.
The off roading that I do means that I need low range and locking differential and I like the transfer case shift lever
I ended up comparing the Tacoma and the 4Runner. T4R TE has better seating position, 4 wheel disk brakes, coil springs all around, and a shorter wheelbase. I have driven hundreds of miles with 4 adults and a child in a car seat in my '16 T4R TEP. Loaded that way, it still holds 75 MPH up hills on the highway (at over 4000 feet elevation).
I like manual AC controls and headlights that I can turn off. I added sliders so I have steps.
Uni-body SUVs that don't have a low range or high clearance don't compare.
It might be a dinosaur, but it's the right vehicle for me. That rear window that goes down gives better ventilation.
I would like better mileage, but what's the mileage for a Wrangler?
Presa Canario
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Ive read all 16 pages of this.....and my first question is why do some of you call the 4Runner a truck? I truly do not understand this. It is an SUV. A truck has an open bed on it. That's the whole concept of an SUV....covered/enclosed cargo area. Toyota makes trucks. They are the Tacoma and the Tundra. The 4Runner is not a truck, atleast not in any aspect that ive ever known.
There isn't much I can say that hasn't already been said. I think the power (lack of) is a huge downside. I felt the same way in the Jeep I had. V8's or small diesels should be an option on both. Atleast to where you could special order from the factory.
The interior luxuries.....way behind pretty much every other maker.
I bought my 4Runner as a second vehicle. I only really had two "must haves". I wanted 4 wheel drive and I wanted a cargo space to haul my dogs. The dog hauling was the sole reason for even buying the second vehicle. My other vehicle is a 2016 F250 powerstroke crew cab Lariat FX4. It has a 7" Carly lift, Fox res shocks, 37" Toyos and 20" wheels. I refuse to let my dogs ride in the bed of the truck and my truck was way too tall to get them in and out of the cab (both large dogs). Plus, I didn't want them standing in my leather seats. I knew nothing about the 4Runner other than my good friend and his wife both had one and loved them. At the time of buying I was totally unaware of the level of its off-road capabilities. Ive since grown to love the 4Runner (to a degree) in my short time of owning it. Ive already taken two trips to Colorado in it for off-roading and Im more than happy with its ability. Yes I have a list of things I think suck about it, but as previously stated.....other than a Jeep Rubicon, you don't have many other options in this class.
There isn't much I can say that hasn't already been said. I think the power (lack of) is a huge downside. I felt the same way in the Jeep I had. V8's or small diesels should be an option on both. Atleast to where you could special order from the factory.
The interior luxuries.....way behind pretty much every other maker.
I bought my 4Runner as a second vehicle. I only really had two "must haves". I wanted 4 wheel drive and I wanted a cargo space to haul my dogs. The dog hauling was the sole reason for even buying the second vehicle. My other vehicle is a 2016 F250 powerstroke crew cab Lariat FX4. It has a 7" Carly lift, Fox res shocks, 37" Toyos and 20" wheels. I refuse to let my dogs ride in the bed of the truck and my truck was way too tall to get them in and out of the cab (both large dogs). Plus, I didn't want them standing in my leather seats. I knew nothing about the 4Runner other than my good friend and his wife both had one and loved them. At the time of buying I was totally unaware of the level of its off-road capabilities. Ive since grown to love the 4Runner (to a degree) in my short time of owning it. Ive already taken two trips to Colorado in it for off-roading and Im more than happy with its ability. Yes I have a list of things I think suck about it, but as previously stated.....other than a Jeep Rubicon, you don't have many other options in this class.
LandCruiser
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Body on frame=truck.
Presa Canario
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No.....
LandCruiser
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yes.
I've had Toyotas old enough to predate the term SUV, which was just some marketing jargon invented to sell the things to women and yuppie douchebags.
Presa Canario
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So going by this logic the Lincoln Town car my mom had when I was a kid was actually a truck.
RIGHT......
Body on frame is just that.......it does not identify it as a truck.
e60ral
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the Ford Explorer is an appliance vehicle
Engineer
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Webster: a wheeled vehicle for moving heavy articles
Seems like it would count as a truck to me......I don't really care what you call it, the specs, look, reliability, et don't change if you call it a family hauler, grocery getter, rock donkey, truck, SUV etc.
SwayzeExpress
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I was raised saying orv before SUV marketing (influenced by the great scene at the beginning of goonies)
Also firetruck, tank truck, reefer truck, and... ice cream truck.
My first 4x4 was a 1962 scout that could change tops from convertible to pick up to SUV style
For me it's the frame and terrain it's optimized for. My bronco was a truck, as was my t100 pick up
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