A dinosaur still roams the Earth.

Man this thread went South quick. In my opinion I think the review was fair for people looking for a car in this modern-day. Then again I am not like most people that is why I am in my 16 Trail Edition. If we did a long-term test on the same vehicles we will see how the 4Runner does then. As for all the fights going on in this thread, I will share some words of wisdom from the great Seinfeld...
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The term truck is subjective to me. I think of a truck as something that can carry a load more than groceries and four people that if damaged performing such feats can have body panels easily replaced. Usually it has significant ground clearance and a LT tire can be mounted on the rims. A unibody is not made of modular parts and is not as easily repaired when a tree jumps out onto the dirt road. I called my Wrangler a truck and it has minuscule load carrying capacity.

A rig has 18 wheels, belches black smoke, air horn and naked lady mud flaps.

A car is a unibody, four inches of ground clearance, usually a trunk and goes beep beep. And push button start, with HVAC infused seats and steering wheel.

A build is when the vehicle has experienced significant alterations to the factory engineered vehicle, causing custom parts to be created either through welding, machining or extensive electrical/paint modifications. Bolting a set of commercially sourced shocks or metal plates to the frame are called modded.

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Well, the more people scared away by this review, the more 4Runners out for us to buy! :-)
IMO this is the best looking gen they've ever made.
 
This amuses me. The C&D article calls the 4R a "dinosaur" and bemoans the lack of gadgets like lane assist and adaptive cruise. Meanwhile, when I explain the wonders of MTS and Crawl Control to a Jeep driver, they always--and I mean always--reply with, "I like to, you know, actually drive the vehicle myself. Don't need none of them there driving aids or what have you."

I guess that makes the Jeep a, uh, whatever came before the dinosaurs?
 
4R Trail

Of all the other machines mentioned in the article, only the 4R Tail and the Wrangler 4dr will take you off road and give you the storage needed for a decently long trip. We traded our '15 Wrangler JKU on our '16 4R Trail and there is no comparison. The 4R has it all over the Wrangler for the kind of road trips and off-road exploring that we do. - Ted
 
The review is basically fair -- for the typical car buyer in today's market, most people are looking for technology and comfort in an SUV.

But the whole reason I went looking for the 4Runner was the simplicity and *lack* of technology. My ideal truck would be a throwback to the late 1970s: Analog gauges, minimal interior features, lights I have to turn off and on, etc.

It's not for everybody -- I spend all day around technology, writing code and hating it. When I get out, I want a vehicle that I actually have to drive myself. I realize my preferences clash with most car buyers today, but I'm thankful the 4Runner has remained true to its basic off-road roots after all these years.
 
I watched this review and other reviews and went and bought a brand new 2017 4Runner Off-Road Premium... How could anyone see these reviews and NOT buy one is beyond me! One must read between the lines of course (Reliable, proven, rigid, off-road) :) So happy with my dinosaur!
 
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2018 Toyota 4Runner Quick Spin Review | A dinosaur roams the land of crossovers

https://www.autoblog.com/2017/10/26/2018-toyota-4runner-quick-spin-review-suv/

I wanted to find out, because despite reviewing cars for more than 13 years, I have never driven a 4Runner. As it turned out, it is far less compromised than I was expecting. Yes it's rougher than a Highlander, yes it's slower and less efficient, yes the steering is slow and the handling worse. And given its advanced age, there's a lot of grey at its temples — there is no safety tech available, the touchscreen is rinky-dink and you actually have to hold down the turn signal stalk to make it blink three times.

And yet, the 4Runner is also substantially more interesting and characterful to drive than virtually every similarly sized crossover without being hopelessly truckish. It also is of a just-right size, especially in terms of its cargo area, which is usefully large and boxy at a time when most crossovers are losing practicality in favor of stylishly raked D pillars. That makes it better for hauling around bulky items, it's just about perfect for big dogs (they'll love the huge rear quarter windows) and that flat, upright tailgate allows for perhaps the 4Runner's coolest element — the roll-down rear window. Correct me if I'm wrong, but only the 4Runner and its Sequoia sibling feature one.

Oh, and of course it can go off-road — especially with the as-tested TRD Off-Road Premium's Multi-terrain Select, Crawl Control, electronically controlled locking rear diff and optional Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System (a decoupling stabilizer bar that increases wheel articulation off-road and actually improves handling on-road as well).

Watch the video above for my full take on the 2018 Toyota 4Runner. Not only was it much better than I was expecting, it was one of those rare cars I didn't want to give back at the end of the weeklong loan.

More with the dinosaur theme...
 
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"For the right driver, however, the 4Runner’s mix of crossover practicality and go-anywhere capability could be just the ticket. Plus, there’s a roll-down rear window."

I guess that's us! :heh:

Literally why I got mine. I love every "old" thing about it.
 
The review is basically fair -- for the typical car buyer in today's market, most people are looking for technology and comfort in an SUV.

But the whole reason I went looking for the 4Runner was the simplicity and *lack* of technology. My ideal truck would be a throwback to the late 1970s: Analog gauges, minimal interior features, lights I have to turn off and on, etc.

It's not for everybody -- I spend all day around technology, writing code and hating it. When I get out, I want a vehicle that I actually have to drive myself. I realize my preferences clash with most car buyers today, but I'm thankful the 4Runner has remained true to its basic off-road roots after all these years.

I agree with this. Most shoppers think the 4Runner is like a Mazda CX-7 mixed with a Tahoe or something. They don't always understand the purpose and market these are made for. The review is fair in it's warning for those types of shoppers I think.
 
Literally why I got mine. I love every "old" thing about it.

If they ever take away the roll down rear window, I would hate Toyota. I absolutely love that about it. So perfect for the doggos in the back, plus it allows the wind entering from the front windows to not be so ****ing turbulent and suck papers and other stuff out the windows.
 
Literally why I got mine. I love every "old" thing about it.
Me too. And I consider it luxurious compared to my JK on 37's. Funny to say, but it's my road trip and highway comfort and mileage vehicle. It sees 30k+ a year while the JK sees about 5k. In the NE winters, I really love the capability too since I am all over New England.

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I recently spent 3 days on the White Rim trail in Canyonlands. Out of about 20 other vehicles we saw on the trip, the overwhelming majority were 4runners. The rest were Tacomas, FJ Cruisers, and a few 4-door Wranglers, plus an occasional NPS Jeep. No Rav4s, TrailHawks, LR's, Pathfinders, Ford/Chevy pickups, not even a Subu Outback.

There's no better vehicle for this kind of overlanding. However, Toyota can't make a living selling 4runners to overlanders. My concern about reviews like this is it will hasten the end of one of the greatest vehicle concepts ever created and executed.
 
I recently spent 3 days on the White Rim trail in Canyonlands. Out of about 20 other vehicles we saw on the trip, the overwhelming majority were 4runners. The rest were Tacomas, FJ Cruisers, and a few 4-door Wranglers, plus an occasional NPS Jeep. No Rav4s, TrailHawks, LR's, Pathfinders, Ford/Chevy pickups, not even a Subu Outback.

There's no better vehicle for this kind of overlanding. However, Toyota can't make a living selling 4runners to overlanders. My concern about reviews like this is it will hasten the end of one of the greatest vehicle concepts ever created and executed.

Yep, hang on to what you've got is my knee-jerk thought anyway.
 
if people bought the car that was actually the best for their needs 99% of people would be in either a minivan or a small sedan

Just wanted to re-quote this since it really hits home.

With my vehicle for the past 4.5 years being a 2013 F-150 and me living in the suburbs, I started feeling like I was stupid for having a full sized truck due to the impracticality of it (yeah I like to sometimes hunt, fish, etc., and would on occasion haul some lumber, but never tow). For the most part, the bed was a glorified over-sized trunk since I had a Bakflip MX4 tonneau cover.
What resulted was a several month new car search where I considered everything from Accords to Outbacks to Tahoes. Heck, I even considered just getting another F-150.

Once I drove some of those options and really paid attention to how they made me feel, that's when I realized the 4Runner was for me. Because of this, it doesn't matter to me that it's lacking a bit of practicality and, as others have said, there's nothing else quite like it.
 
Future 5th gen owner here. It might not be cutting edge, but neither is a Colt 1911 or the AK platform and they seem to sell fine. I think too many people overlook the practicality and reliability of proven designs for something new and flashy. I'll stick with my 3rd gen dino and let my wife pick out the 5th gen dino for the family.
 

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