About to become a new 4runner owner....but

thegipper

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So my brother who lives in Arizona offered to give me his 97 SR5 auto 4runner with approximately 200k miles on it. It was originally from Illinois/Wisconsin but has spent the last 6ish years in Arizona. The body is in pretty decent shape, it has some rust and dents but is still structurally sound. The intention of this vehicle would be to replace my 305k mile ZJ grand cherokee that has many issues but still runs. We also have a 2011 Camry SE and a Highlander Limited so we are definitely Toyota fans =) This would be my extra vehicle for hunting trips, pulling my small boat, running to the dump, spare vehicle for shitty weather and so on. Doesn't need to be perfect but reliable is key. I also have many years of experience working on cars/trucks so I'm no stranger to getting my hands dirty.

So here's the deal, I live in Wisconsin and after doing a brief search on some sites, it looks like it would be about $1000 to ship it back here to Wisconsin (if anyone has any suggestions on sites or companies to use I'm all ears). Doing the math of flying out and driving it back isn't worth it IMO.

What I know about the 4runner as it is right now:

He experienced the strawberry milk shake symptom about a year and half ago while driving it to work but caught it almost immediately and towed it back to his house. After a couple days of work and gallons upon gallons of flushes, he removed every trace of coolant from the transmission. He replaced the filter, radiator and everything required. He put it all back together and said the transmission has never shifted as good as it does now. Since this happened he hasn't had any issues with the tranny and has put over 5k miles on it. I've read a lot about this issue and it appears he is one of the lucky ones and was able to save the tranny.

It has a small AC leak somewhere, if he charges it at the beginning of summer it will last all summer until it sits over winter (assuming some of the seals dried out) and needs to be recharged at the beginning of the season.

Needs shocks, front and rear (I would replace all springs and struts)

Needs tires (old ones are bald and mismatched)

Needs a cat back exhaust. He currently has it patched together as the old cat got stolen in a parking lot. He installed a universal cat and a cherry bomb to get him by as money was tight. It just passed AZ emission last year no problem. When the dirt bag cut the Cat off, he hit one of the coolant lines that goes to the back heater. He had to close it off so if I want that to work, I would need to replace/repair the lines. If you turn on the rear heat, it doesn't leak anything out as he has it temporarily capped off.

No check engine lights, engine runs perfectly.

He said it drives perfectly straight, no clunks, pops or any other noises it shouldn't make.

No leaks anywhere, nothing on his garage floor as it has been sitting for a couple months.

No recalls on it. I checked the information on it on the Toyota owners website. It had every oil change maintenance service done, on time and at the dealership essentially up until my brother bought it. He has done the standard oil change, replace brakes ect that would be expected. He hasn't had to really replace anything else on it.

All the power windows, door locks and features work. Interior is in ok shape, has cloth seats. No tears but the entire inside could use a good cleaning.

No axle seals leaking (I know its a known issue)

I have read extensively on the buyers guide so I'm aware of the known issues.

SO now that you know what I know, should I go for it? I am STRONGLY leaning towards yes. I figure even if I get it out here for 1k, plus another 1k - 1500 fixing the exhaust, tires, AC, and any other odds and ends I should have a pretty sweet "beater" for 2500ish. It would be my summer project this year and would be commissioned around fall before bow hunting starts. That would be the time I would sell the Jeep (assuming I still have it).

My brother bought a new battery for it a couple days ago as the old one was shot. He is going to drive it this weekend as he has a lot of errands to run and report back. Assuming that it still runs good and everything checks out, I think I'm going to further pursue having it shipped back.

Thoughts?
 
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Sounds like a solid investment to me. It's a very reliable vehicle when properly maintained. To purchase a used one in similar condition, here in Denver at least, would cost somewhere in the $5k range. So even if you decide you don't like it and sell it in a year you would stand to make money, especially if you do all the work yourself.
 
Thoughts?

So, this method is a PITA, takes leg work, has risks but is very cheap. But I know it can work.

There's plenty of college students who will soon be traveling back north from the south west. Most colleges have a student ride-share program...people looking for a ride, people looking for passengers for a trip back home to share the cost of gas. Way back when I used this kind of program to get back home from school many times...back then it was a bulletin board in a student center, now it would be on some kind of social media.

It has risks but you could take steps to at least verify the identity of the student...insurance?...that you'd have to look into. Promise to pay for half the fill ups and you'd be looking at say, $150 delivered to your doorstep.
 
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Yeah all work would be done by myself. I would fix everything and before I put it to full use, I would then buy a new set of tires for it (probably the most expensive issue minus having it shipped out here).

I was leaning towards General Grabber AT2's as most of the guys on the Jeep forum swear by them. I also have had general tires before and really like them.

I won't be lifting it or anything crazy. It will see some groomed trails on private land but nothing a stock 4R can't handle. My beater ZJ can drive pretty much all of the trails in 2wd unless its snowing or raining.

My focus will be to first fix all of the know issues, drain and replace all fluid (minus coolant as it was just changed).

From there I'll probably do the rear diff breather tube extension, external tranny cooler (Hayden 677) and probably new plugs/wires ect if they haven't been done recently, still have to ask about that.
 
On the rear heater just get some hose that just slips over the existing pipe, I did that on the 2nd 4runner I am selling, to patch a crack in the line. I used to generic hose clamps and tightened
 
Thanks for the advise but I'm not sure I would just trust anybody driving it back. Especially because my biggest fear is if there is an issue with the 4R, now I'm really screwed.

The cheapest I could find was $880 delivered to my door. Since time is not of the essense, it may be even cheaper if they are trying to fill a spot on the trailer.

I'm not too concered about spending the 1k on shipping it back IF you guys agree, it is worth putting the money into it. Like I said before, If I'm in it 2500 bucks when its all said and done and I have a solid 4R for an extra vehicle, I'll be plenty happy.

I also checked craigslist in this area for what they go for. The first problem is there are hardly any to choose from, people NEVER sell these things (I know why). But if you can find them, they are either junk (not worth fixing) or they want 4k or more in roughly his condition.
 
Good advise, I was thinking of replacing the entire line but if I can just slip some heater hose over the damaged area, I'll call it day.
 
The cheapest I could find was $880 delivered to my door. Since time is not of the essense, it may be even cheaper if they are trying to fill a spot on the trailer

Sounds like you would be pretty flexible on the pick up and delivery schedule. uShip.com has an auction feature that would get you a low price given your flexible schedule.
 
1k-1500k sounds a little conservative to me. tires + mount/balanace + alignment will put you between 500-1k (even with "cheap tires"). nonetheless, this is my first 4runner and I Just saw a 3rd gen for sale at the yota dealer with 500k+ miles. These are definitely worth the investment to keep running.
 
+1 for https://www.uship.com/ . I used them last year to ship a motorcycle from Boston to Denver and it was reasonable and painless.

On tires, I just purchased a set of 5 General Grabber AT2's in 315/75-16. They look sweet and I read lots of great reviews about them. I haven't mounted them up yet though so I can't speak to their on/off road attributes.
 
I can get the tires plus have them mounted/balanced for $632. My local shop charges $60 for an alignment so that's $692.

To weld a cat back basic exhaust and muffler $250ish

Replace all A/C seals and recharge 15$ (I have free access to an AC recharge machine)

Fluids (differentials, transfer case, oil, tranny, PS, brake) $100

Fix the rear heater pipe (as mentioned above) a few bucks

Other odds and ends (bulbs, knobs, wires/plugs? ect) $100

That's a total of $997. So at the minimum we'll say it would be 2k to bring it back and fix all of the known issues. So even if I have to drop another 500 in other things I find on the way, I'd say its still a good deal. Or, use the 500 for goodies =)
 
I am also considering the Kuhmo Road Venture AT51 as they get even better reviews than the AT2's and are actually slightly cheaper.

Assuming I get the 4 runner which is becoming more and more apparent.
 
Am I missing something? Why would ball joints be a big deal? Plus, why would I replace them if nothingis wrong with them?

i know that there was a recall for ball joints awhile ago but there are no open recalls for this 4R as of right now.

Even if I had to replace the ball joints, they are cheap.
 
Am I missing something? Why would ball joints be a big deal? Plus, why would I replace them if nothingis wrong with them?

i know that there was a recall for ball joints awhile ago but there are no open recalls for this 4R as of right now.

Even if I had to replace the ball joints, they are cheap.

(Bolded...) Because a ball joint failure could total your truck or kill someone.

My OEM LBJs cost me $175 from Camelback. I did OEM ITREs and OTREs at the same time, for another $350 in parts. If you are staying at stock height, using only OEM on the TREs is really not as important as the LBJs (use only OEM LBJs for stock height or lifted).

I'm a little surprised if you can do all your fluid replacements for $100, but maybe if you get the cheapest non-synthetic stuff. My synthetic fluids just for transfer case, diffs, and tranny cost me $140.

I still think it would be a good deal on the 4Runner.
 
If theyre good theyre good, but LBJ's are a serious frontend component! Definitely a maintenance item that a guy shouldnt let go for 300,000 miles without worry...when they go its usually pretty catastrophic!
 

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