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Jason B

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I've sent thousands of my customers and friends to this group since I signed up in 2002. Many of these people can't post. They say they cant reply to existing posts until they have 15 posts, but this is a catch22 because if they can't reply to an existing post, how can they get ever get 15 replies.

Who can help with this? I have a huge list of names that have reached out to me as I made a post about this issue in the new member section that's now 26 pages long with people saying the same things.

https://www.toyota-4runner.org/new-...t-him-post-how-can-we-fix-26.html#post3822396
 
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I guess it's a spam thing. I'm a mod on a different board, and it's just a constant thing, spambots signing up new accounts and making spam posts. Too much effort for a spammer to make it through some arbitrary number of posts in a different forum just to make posts in the forums people actually use.
 
I guess it's a spam thing. I'm a mod on a different board, and it's just a constant thing, spambots signing up new accounts and making spam posts. Too much effort for a spammer to make it through some arbitrary number of posts in a different forum just to make posts in the forums people actually use.

It's supposed too be 15 posts until you can create a thread, not posting outright. The problem Jason is describing is that people are unable to even make those replies to get up to that 15 - and that the system is blocking them from making any reply anywhere on the forum. Like how I'm replying to you right now; they would be blocked from doing so, some can't even open certain pages of the site, some have no issue and all is normal. You should be able to visit any page of the site without making any posts at all, in fact that's how some people are able to make threads with <15 post counts; you can "age out" of the probationary period.
The mods here hardly give a damn about the site. I mean, Jason's thread has been up for 5 years, which is extremely telling; it either means staff are so ungodly inattentive that they haven't noticed it consistently at the top of the page of an entire section for over half a decade straight, or they have but they're ignoring it. We see people gripe and complain about this, that and the other all the time and seemingly nothing gets fixed. I mean every year there's seemingly 100+ posts about people complaining how tricky it is to upload pics/videos here, but has anything been done? I haven't seen anything...
I say all this but if you go around posting something they don't agree with - magically they're on it like flies on shit, remove the post and issue an infraction within the hour. Funny how that works.
 
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There isn't any moderation on this forum. It's one of the things I have an issue with. Some people can get away with just about anything or any behavior, and nothing is said. While others are having a bad day and get hit. Faster then, a fat kid can eat a cupcake.


Sad but true. Granted, the entire forum needs a major upgrade and modernization. I would imagine the be a cost to do so that would bring newer features available that the social media applications have. I just don't know if this would happen. Nor if there are even plans to do so. Time will tell, I guess.

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I'm a vendor in here and have spent over $5,000 to be a vendor and after a customer buys a product, I link them to this page to sign up and post a review. Well, they can't anymore. I enjoy this page and still have my 1997 4Runner and am a true enthusiast.
 
That's discouraging to hear that so many new and legitimate members are being blocked. They must be using some crappy software to vet new members especially considering the number of very obvious spam posters that do get through. I will say that any time I report a scammer/spammer the account and spam reply gets removed within hours. I assume it is a moderator doing this. Are there literally no moderators that could be sent a private message on any of these T4R forums?
 
Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing the site get some upgrades/updates to make it easier for new people to contribute.

I however am not for an overly moderated forum where big brother steps in all the time and controls what can be said. This type of moderation happens on other forums and social media sites like Facebook, and it pretty much sucks. I think some people on here can't handle debate and want the mommy or daddy moderator to step in and tell the children to go to their rooms. For the most part, we're all adults here. If you can't handle being challenged or someone calling you out for your BS, maybe stay off of forums and social media.
 
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I've sent thousands of my customers and friends to this group since I signed up in 2002. Many of these people can't post. They say they cant reply to existing posts until they have 15 posts, but this is a catch22 because if they can't reply to an existing post, how can they get ever get 15 replies.

Who can help with this? I have a huge list of names that have reached out to me as I made a post about this issue in the new member section that's now 26 pages long with people saying the same things.

https://www.toyota-4runner.org/new-...t-him-post-how-can-we-fix-26.html#post3822396

[MENTION=58830]JWaldz[/MENTION] is a moderator on this forum. Maybe he can lend you hand with this.
 
I found the post restriction confusing when I first joined, but looking back on it, it makes sense. I'd much rather have scam/spam posts be comments rather than actual posts. I've found the moderation on those is pretty quick when they're reported.

I guess the one good caveat is that people here for the most part seem to be courteous enough to not spark all the arguments and fights that the facebook group has.

That being said, forums are dying out, as is evident by how many people are in the facebook groups themselves, which is disappointing. Finding information on facebook can be challenging when everything is spread over like a dozen posts.

I'm not sure if Jason is referring to the 15 comments before post rule, or if a new user can't comment at all, but I don't think it'd be too difficult to just make a thread called like "Burtman Industries Reviews" or something and allow them to post there instead of making new threads for each review, which could help them get their review out while also allowing them to inch towards that 15 comment threshold.

just my .02
 
+1 for wanting to see a software update on here. I'm not even sure who mods this site other than [MENTION=58830]JWaldz[/MENTION] and I'm not fully on board with forums "dieing out" though usage has definitely declined. Tacoma world, ih8mud, and several other forums are still very active and it seems like if this forum where to be updated in terms of software (and load times, not sure if anyone else has ran into extremely slow loading / 404 error but I have alot recently) alot of people who are active on fb / social media would post more frequently/ join this site. I've been using this site since 2016 (albeit not a frequent poster) and it's a shame to see how it's gone downhill with the wealth of info on here. Not trying to call out mods, as I'm not sure if they have any control over the software side of things, but I'd be happy to put my money where my mouth is and donate some $$ to keep this site running more stable if nothing else (and I'd assume some others would be aswell).

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I've been using this site since 2016 (albeit not a frequent poster) and it's a shame to see how it's gone downhill with the wealth of info on here.
1000x this. I've only been here three years and the quality has absolutely plummeted in that time. People used to come here with really good questions pertaining to pretty complex gremlins, asked by people who already tried fixing it to the best of their abilities, whittled down common denominators and exhausted their options over the course of a month.
But that's hardly the case these days. Now the front page is constantly filled with posts along the lines of "where do I buy a 74 bulb" or the classic "my car is making a weird noise, any suggestions are appreciated"; The latter are difficult to deal with because typically they're not mechanically inclined/car savvy so it takes a dozen posts to weasel out some very limited information before you get a slight idea of what's going on - while with the former you can't help but wonder if they're actually gonna bother to do what you suggest if they couldn't sacrifice such a small amount of effort from the start. Especially if it's something that could've been answered with a single, 30-second google search.
The other thing that blows my mind are the sheer number of threads made by people simply not willing to try what they're asking. And I don't mean a project like a Dana-300 swap that doesn't play out and now you're down 3 weeks and $2500 - it'll be stuff like "I was looking at my 4Runner today and I realized it would be possible to get into the driver's seat from the passenger side if I crawl over the center console. Anybody ever try this? Can it be done?"; Extremely obvious stuff that poses no risk or investment, where they could've answered their own question if all they did was get up and go to their garage - but instead of taking the few minutes out of their day to try it, they find it better to post it online then sit around for a day or two until someone else chimes in. THEN they'll go try. It just makes no sense?? Worst of all, very frequently I'll see someone at their wits end ask for help about a gremlin they've been fighting for a few weeks, but they get drowned out by these nonsense threads being bumped.
I don't mean to imply that the forum should have some form of gatekeeping, that everyone should have the answers to everything before making an account, or that the only posts that should be allowed are ones worthy of a 4 page discussion; nor do I mean to come off as high-and-mighty like some lord or authority on post quality. But I do believe in the saying "act like you want the help" and I believe it says a lot when people ask for strangers to put forth more effort than they themselves could bother. I'm positive these are not suddenly new issues and they certainly persisted before 2020, but when you compare stuff from even 5 years ago to now it really seems like less and less users see this as a forum, and rather more of a personal team of mechanics where they can get a free diagnosis without leaving their home, let alone contributing anything to the site. I often wonder how many actually do the work themselves, or if they simply take our comments to the mechanic and go "I need you to fix this thing"
 
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The other thing that blows my mind are the sheer number of threads made by people simply not willing to try what they're asking. And I don't mean a project like a Dana-300 swap that doesn't play out and now you're down 3 weeks and $2500 - it'll be stuff like "I was looking at my 4Runner today and I realized it would be possible to get into the driver's seat from the passenger side if I crawl over the center console. Anybody ever try this? Can it be done?"; Extremely obvious stuff that poses no risk or investment, where they could've answered their own question if all they did was get up and go to their garage - but instead of taking the few minutes out of their day to try it, they find it better to post it online then sit around for a day or two until someone else chimes in. THEN they'll go try. It just makes no sense?? Worst of all, very frequently I'll see someone at their wits end ask for help about a gremlin they've been fighting for a few weeks, but they get drowned out by these nonsense threads being bumped.
I don't mean to imply that the forum should have some form of gatekeeping, that everyone should have the answers to everything before making an account, or that the only posts that should be allowed are ones worthy of a 4 page discussion; nor do I mean to come off as high-and-mighty like some lord or authority on post quality. But I do believe in the saying "act like you want the help" and I believe it says a lot when people ask for strangers to put forth more effort than they themselves could bother. I'm positive these are not suddenly new issues and they certainly persisted before 2020, but when you compare stuff from even 5 years ago to now it really seems like less and less users see this as a forum, and rather more of a personal team of mechanics where they can get a free diagnosis without leaving their home, let alone contributing anything to the site. I often wonder how many actually do the work themselves, or if they simply take our comments to the mechanic and go "I need you to fix this thing"

This as well. I got so tired of a certain user CONSTANTLY making posts with questions that could be solved by searching that I straight up told them to search instead. It's not that hard to search, and it stops all the genuine posts from being pushed down by the six low quality simple question posts.
 
I enjoyed this line: "I was looking at my 4Runner today and I realized it would be possible to get into the driver's seat from the passenger side if I crawl over the center console. Anybody ever try this? Can it be done?"
 
This forum can be very annoying. The ads all over the place, 15-second wait rule when searching, slow and clunky operation. Having to remember who the OP is on a long thread because ‘OP’ is not by their name. A number of things combined to drive me to another forum. I started here in 2018 while preparing to buy my 2019 TRDOR and got lots of good info. But like many others, I migrated away to the other forum, which is easier to use and more pleasant. In addition to all this, a change was made a couple years ago where my username is no longer remembered (on mobile), and there’s no ‘Remember me’ option on the website. So I have to enter my username and password every time I come here on my phone. I asked on here several times but nobody had an answer.
 
I figured AI took over this forum 2 years ago, it has that disconnected kinda feel with nobody in charge - just lots of adds pushed, forums are the best but have taken a back seat to social media, of which I do not use, but I've used automotive forums for decades now that helped me specialize in DSM's AKA Mitsubishi, Chrysler, and also Toyota's, but quality user feed back on many forums have disappeared, but search and you will find the answer. FB is a dumpster fire.
 
[MENTION=9]Jason B[/MENTION] did you try messaging [MENTION=58830]JWaldz[/MENTION] or another moderator and heard anything back on this?
 
I've only made one reply on this board, not counting this one. This post and Sean's post on the ad's got me thinking that I should be contributing more. I'd like to think for every basic question post, such as asking how to fit 33s etc, there's at least 10 other newer members like me who are just reading the older stuff and figuring things out, not wanting to look like the newbs we are.

I've only had my 3rd gen for a year, but this website, and the multitude of 3rd gen YouTubers, have proven invaluable. I'd hate to see these communities fade away. I recently joined some FB groups and it's worse, lol. I don't want the party to end, I just got here
 
I figured AI took over this forum 2 years ago, it has that disconnected kinda feel with nobody in charge - just lots of adds pushed, forums are the best but have taken a back seat to social media, of which I do not use, but I've used automotive forums for decades now that helped me specialize in DSM's AKA Mitsubishi, Chrysler, and also Toyota's, but quality user feed back on many forums have disappeared, but search and you will find the answer. FB is a dumpster fire.
Couldn't agree more with this. i just hate to see a forum that could be so useful taken over with ads and garbage posts. I realize that there are those who are new to the automotive world and everyone starts somewhere, heck I learned most of what I know through this forum, youtube, Timmy's vids, and trial and error. But it gets old seeing what seems like a new misfire post or something else everyday when there's thousands of threads alrady. I'm by no means an expert, but I've built computers and messed around with different systems and server os's where it seems like the forums software could be updated easily enough by someone with some knowledge granted I may be competely wrong on this. I am by no means for "big brother" style mods where things like [MENTION=120071]mtbtim[/MENTION]s vids get banned for being "spam" but it would be nice to see the owners or mods at least do some upkeep, and I'd they don't use the forum / have time to keep things up then pass on the baton to someone who does. I'm not trying to attack the mods or owners in saying this as I realize life happens and we all have things come up. But if you look at any business or other clubs / communities where the owner / leadership is no longer able to support the community then usually it gets transfered to those who can.

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I've only had my 3rd gen for a year, but this website, and the multitude of 3rd gen YouTubers, have proven invaluable. I'd hate to see these communities fade away. I recently joined some FB groups and it's worse, lol. I don't want the party to end, I just got here &#55357;&#56834;

One thing I designed and has become my best selling 4Runner part is this:

Burtman Japan style rear spoiler

I love these trucks and still have my 1997 that I bought in 1999! And I know what you guys mean. I've been on this forum since 2002! THere is good info that google picks up.
 
getting to 15 Replies

I used to be part of this forum then many years went by and I had to just re-join. I've been trying to just tool around and reply to as many threads as possible letting everyone know I'm new and trying to get information. All has been accepted until today I was told to "STOP HIGH JACKING THE THREAD AND JUST START YOUR OWN THREAD". It's a bit difficult to get to 15 replies if you don't have anything to contribute. That being said, this is my 15th comment. So hopefully I'll be able to start creating my own threads here.
I've been a 4th gen owner for 16 years. I first came here to get info and inspiration to lift my 04 t4r. Id a cheap lift and now it's time to do more. My 16 year old son is now going to take over the 4runner we bought when we had him. 4runners are awesome vehicles. getting into this forum is a great thing. but it has now become so hard to get info due to this 15 post/reply thing.
Anyways, I'm looking for a step by step OEM transfer case swap. if anyone can point me in the right direction, that would be great!
 

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