Alignment advice

[dylans]

I just got an alignment today at a local dealership. I've got a 2013 Trail with KDSS. The alignment sheet they gave back to me with before and after says 4runner 4x2 S-runner.

My steering wheel is also crooked, slightly.
Do these specs look ok to you guys?
Per the fsm, the "S-runner" and the trail with KDSS have different specs across the board.

Before

After

 

[pDubs]

Looks good to me. Everything is within spec. The negative camber is as negative as I would go though.

 

[Jeremy556]

You're lucky to find someone willing to even touch the eccentric adjusters. Negative camber is a little high, but within spec. The steering wheel centering is annoying, but an easy fix, they just need to throw it back on the rack and adjust TREs.

The specs between the different models are negligible.

 

[Agent_Outside]

You're lucky to find someone willing to even touch the eccentric adjusters.

He’s lucky to find someone that does alignments that will actually do the alignment...?

 

[Vermilion]

My local dealership got all my numbers looking good as well but, it still pulls to the right and the steering wheel is also crooked as well. Swapped my front tires around and it may have helped slightly but, it’s hard to tell since the steering wheel is crooked. I’ve got to get an oil change very soon so hopefully they can get their shit together and recenter my steering wheel at the very least.

 

[nglayton]

I wouldn't touch it, looks fine to me, however the steering wheel off center would send me over the edge. I would take it back for that at least for sure.

 

[xmatox]

He’s lucky to find someone that does alignments that will actually do the alignment...?

You would be surprised how many alignment shops don't do it, or suck at it. I had to go to three shops before I found someone who could align my runner. Thanks Rebel Offroad!

 

[Jeremy556]

He’s lucky to find someone that does alignments that will actually do the alignment...?

Yes. The majority of shops will only adjust toe. Maybe they'll play with one pair of adjusters if it is out of spec to start with and they might get lucky to get in spec, usually sacrificing another spec in order to do so. In this example, they got the caster up to where it should be, but got more negative camber. If they took their time and used both adjusters, they should be able to get 3.5+ and near 0 camber on both sides.

Alignments are usually a flat rate job. Doing it correctly to obtain an ideal alignment takes a good bit of time, effort, and usually knowledge that many techs don't have - which is how the front and rear LCA adjusters affect the LBJ position in relation to the UBJ.

 

[dylans]

I took it back in to get the steering wheel straightened out. The service adviser was not happy. He told me that I really needed to schedule an appointment so he could have had a master tech look at it, and that now he'll have to have a rookie look at it. No master techs in on Saturday's. So he says...
I dropped it off at 730 am, and still no call about it as of now. I'm gonna let them take their time for now.

 

[Agent_Outside]

Yes. The majority of shops will only adjust toe. Maybe they'll play with one pair of adjusters if it is out of spec to start with and they might get lucky to get in spec, usually sacrificing another spec in order to do so. In this example, they got the caster up to where it should be, but got more negative camber. If they took their time and used both adjusters, they should be able to get 3.5+ and near 0 camber on both sides.

Alignments are usually a flat rate job. Doing it correctly to obtain an ideal alignment takes a good bit of time, effort, and usually knowledge that many techs don't have - which is how the front and rear LCA adjusters affect the LBJ position in relation to the UBJ.

Unless you’re going to Walmart or some bullshit shop, that’s not really a thing. It does not take a good bit of time and effort.

 

[nvbirdman]

The service advisor said you should have scheduled an appointment. Well if they had done it right in the first place you wouldn't have had to go back.
I really hate it when they try to shift the blame.

 

[Kenstaroni]

My local firestone has no problem doing mine and that's way more camber than you should have. Sure it may be in spec, but theres no reason to leave it like that...thats just lazy work on the shops part. Depending on lift, you may need to back down the caster a little to get the camber closer to zero.

 

[Tallman]

I'll need an alignment soon and know zip about them....
If there are ranges within which numbers are okay, is there an optimum/ideal number for each category that I should ask tech to shoot for? This would be with 265 Ko2s, 2018 TRD OR, stock suspension
Or does the ideal number vary by tire and lift?

 

[dylans]

After taking it back the alignment came back this way.

This time they aligned it not as a 4x2 S-Runner but as a 4x4 Trail edition with KDSS, which is what my truck is.

I'm happier with it and it drives straight now. Thanks for the replies!