Almost wrecked the old girl

Egstyle

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I was driving to work this morning, going 60 mph, a usual day in my life, nothing seeming out of the ordinary. 2 lanes each direction, with a turning/suicide lane in the middle. No cars alongside me.

About 20 to 30 yards before the intersection, the light begins turning yellow, so naturally, I hit the gas. I am in the right lane.

As my 4Runner downshifts and begins to noticeably accelerate, someone driving the opposite direction, on the opposing end of the intersection, decides to start turning left, crossing into the left lane of my side of the street. I anticipate them to continue with the turn, making impact likely, so I begin braking and turning to the left. I am braking heavily enough that my wheels are making short skids and the back end wants to swing out.

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They decide to stop, about halfway still in their turning lane and halfway into the left lane of my side of the street, as far as I can recall, as this happened so quickly. In other words, I am headed directly into them, slowed down to maybe 50 or 55 or so by now. But I was not slowing fast enough. Fortunately, there were no other cars coming the other direction, as I committed to my left hand swerve. Our passenger sides came within a few feet as I cleared the other car, I think hitting my gas just before I closed on it. Were I to have hesitated or decided to go right, by the time they stopped, my back end, at the very least, would most likely have collided with their front end. They were frozen the entire time.

I steered back into my right-hand lane, still going about 40 at this point. A minute or so later, I got a cold sweat, and contemplated the few split seconds that could have turned out so much worse. Perhaps my life, but at the very least that of the old girl. I would have been very sad after all we've been through together.

On the other hand, as I walked to work, I imagined how fun it must be to professionally race, particularly rally or baja. :D

I have broken my back end loose before (and recovered) with stock width tires, at higher speeds (~60mph), and can honestly say that the wider tires and wheels that I put on made a HUGE difference. Or at least the difference between me skidding sideways into that car or not.
 

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She can't be that old given it's only 2011. ;) Regardless I'm happy you were able to avoid what could have been a nasty collision. What kind of vehicle were they driving?
 
im guessing the other vehicle was a woman driver? muahahaha.


glad you and the runner are safe.:bravo:
 
I'm sure you had better things to pay attention to at those moments....but......did you happen to hear the 'beeps' when/if VSC activated. Curious if it activated and helped keep you from spinning/sliding allowing you to keep better control and avoid the accident.
 
It's a good recovery given the distance you had. I hate that feeling in a truck - the only thing of similar size I have drifted that way was a Chevy Caprice Interceptor... in other circumstances.

How did your tires do, and what tire and suspension setup do you have again? ETA: Were your DRL's on? The studies on them seemed to indicate that your type of incident is much less common with those on - oddly enough it's not about being seen, but the two lights seem to help others judge distance and speed. Motorcycles and cars with a headlight burned out had the highest number of incidents, IIRC.

I was originally going to give you hard time about goosing your truck through a yellow (see where it got you!), but then I realized that you can't stop most vehicles in 30 yards from 60 mph, and that state routes have those kinds of intersections all over the place.
 
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Considering the 4R requires 120-140 ft to stop from 60 mph, you did precisely the right thing. A panic stop with full pedal force would only have T-boned the bonehead. This also illustrates why looking as far ahead as possible anytime behind the wheel is so important. Nicely done.
 
I didn't know that a yellow light meant to accelerate. Sorry I am sick to death of red light runners.

Well it is a good thing he did not run a red light then, just legally passed under a yellow. There is such a delay (upwards of a few seconds even at some intersections) from when one light turns red and the other turns green. People really have to run a RED light from a distance back to actually hit someone who waits through the delay, then takes action, accelerates and makes it into the intersection.

I was 'not there' but I encounter situations like this a lot. There is no dedicated left turn arrow (or it has passed) the car pulls out into the intersection on a green waiting for a clearing to turn left. Well time passes, no clearing, the light turns yellow, instantly they panic and get scared to be 'stuck' in the intersection so they just proceed making their left. They assume when it turns yellow all oncoming traffic will instantly stop (physically not possible) causing the traffic to slam on the brakes and swerve to avoid them. 'These' people need to relax, wait for cross traffic to 100% pass, then proceed.
 
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I agree, red-light runners ought to be squashed like potato bugs; but in the above scenario, stopping would have been catastrophic from 90 feet out when the light changed, which, according to the OP, is when it went amber. Assuming only a one second delay from lifting foot from gas pedal to full brake, the 4R would already have closed that gap to 60 feet, so the 4R would only have slowed to about 35 to 40 mph before imminent impact of 4,400 pounds on an object at rest.

A collision at that speed could have left a medium-sized Toyota emblem imprinted on the side of the passenger of vehicle 2.
 
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She can't be that old given it's only 2011. ;) Regardless I'm happy you were able to avoid what could have been a nasty collision. What kind of vehicle were they driving?

But it feels like I've known her my whole life, lol. It looked like a late '90's Toyota Camry.

westwind77 said:
did you happen to hear the 'beeps' when/if VSC activated.

I don't remember. I have heard those beeps many times, but they may not have sounded this time. The ABS kicked in for sure though.

homeyclaus said:
How did your tires do, and what tire and suspension setup do you have again? ETA: Were your DRL's on?

Tires did pretty good for MT's, but they definitely aren't race tires. Running BFG KM2's 305/65/17, icon struts in front with LR UCA's, icon montubes in rear with Sway-A-Way springs. Also, 9" wide wheels, so it makes the tire sit a little wider. I always have DRL's on. I probably could have made a somewhat hard stop before the intersection right when I noticed the light turn yellow, before I began accelerating to make the light. Once I began accelerating, I was committed.

PaulB-2006 T4R said:
I didn't know that a yellow light meant to accelerate. Sorry I am sick to death of red light runners.

I would have been in the intersection while the light was still yellow. I am sick to death of people who stop at a yellow light. Yellow does not mean stop.
 
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Oh man sorry to hear that one! The same situation happened to me years ago, but in a low sedan and in the rain. The light was green, but the driver decided to just make the left right in front of me. It scared the sh*t out of me! Glad everyone is okay.
 

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