Any IT Guys Here? Trying to Get Into the IT World - Advice / Suggestions / Stories?

I don't know if I should give up or follow the old notion of "Do what you love, and you'll never work a day in your life".

Like I said earlier, computers used to be my passion, I loved tinkering with them, building them, etc. Now, I don't even want to look at a computer when I'm home. I still enjoy building one now and then, but I really don't love it any more, it kind of sucks.
 
CCNA's are only good if you're looking to get into the networking/security side of things, otherwise they're useless.

I majored in Information Technology and Business Administration (double major) Honestly, Comp Science is more math, and is rather outdated these days. An IT or CIS degree is more current with the times honestly.

Agree and agree. The Cisco courses I took were hard as sh!t for me. CS is a good degree but he's right, it's a lot of math and coding in a ton of languages you'll never use.

I went the MIS/CIT route and also got my degree in Business Administration in our business school. Yes, it's a lot of work, but you're much more marketable to a hiring company than just knowing code with a CS degree.
 
CCNA's are only good if you're looking to get into the networking/security side of things, otherwise they're useless.

I majored in Information Technology and Business Administration (double major) Honestly, Comp Science is more math, and is rather outdated these days. An IT or CIS degree is more current with the times honestly.

I'm going to have to disagree with you friend.

Have you heard the term "software will rule the world" ?

2015 still looks a lot like 2010. But 2020 will be far different.

We are seeing the rise of software defined everything. From Cisco programmable switches to app dev with workloads in the cloud, completely bypassing IT, at every step of the way it the coders who are more relevant.

The traditional network, compute, database and storage teams are becoming less relevant with each new wave of this change.

Have you read about AWS, Azure? Openstack?

What about Big Data with Hadoop workloads? Splunk? Etc.

All of these new technologies are more oriented towards those who can code.
 
I'm going to have to disagree with you friend.

Have you heard the term "software will rule the world" ?

2015 still looks a lot like 2010. But 2020 will be far different.

We are seeing the rise of software defined everything. From Cisco programmable switches to app dev with workloads in the cloud, completely bypassing IT, at every step of the way it the coders who are more relevant.

The traditional network, compute, database and storage teams are becoming less relevant with each new wave of this change.

Have you read about AWS, Azure? Openstack?

What about Big Data with Hadoop workloads? Splunk? Etc.

All of these new technologies are more oriented towards those who can code.

So you are saying that it would be better to get a CS degree instead of CIS?
 
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I don't know if I should give up or follow the old notion of "Do what you love, and you'll never work a day in your life".

This ^. Do this.

You've gotten a lot of good advice in the thread, but it won't do you any good if you're not interested. For example, if you aren't interested in coding, it really doesn't matter that it is a great field to get in to.

Find a role in IT that you enjoy doing, and that will lead to the next thing you might be interested in doing.
 
Yes. If you can get a CS degree, if you can do the math and coding - DO IT. You will have more job security and higher pay.
 
Great Scott! There must be a glitch in the space time continuum.

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I'm glad this thread got brought back up.

Since you last heard from me, the following has occurred:

I left my job as a compliance auditor last year, and enrolled at a local 4-year college, currently pursuing a BS-IT, with a Software Development concentration. This is my second bachelor's degree. Unfortunately the school would not even evaluate my transfer credits until I had officially applied and been accepted, so it was mid-December before I knew what would transfer. At that point it was a "shit or get off the pot" scenario, even though I'm pretty sour that some of my gen-ed classes didn't transfer as I felt they should.

Before making the switch to an actual college, I attempted to get my foot in the door of some Tier-1 helpdesk-type positions, thinking I would work my way up in the IT world utilizing my current degree and gaining certs / etc along the way. Nothing panned out, so I took a drastic measure and actually enrolled in a college.

I chose this particular school because tuition is extremely affordable ($2,800/semester for 15+ credit hours). The other colleges I was looking at were Georgia Tech, Georgia State, and KSU. The tuition would have been ~$11,500/semester, ~$6,500/semester, and ~$7,500/semester for each of those, respectively.

Tuition cost was a huge factor here - Quite simply, I am not planning on taking out any student loans during this process. I have a decent chunk of savings from my old job that I will rely on to pay tuition. I will "float by" on my internship wages with all other expenses.

I enrolled at a college called Georgia Gwinnett College. It is fairly new but I was actually quite impressed so far in terms of the quality of the campus, services offered, and quality of professors. As soon as I enrolled I started looking at internships, and actually acquired a paid internship at local Managed Services Provider near my house, which started in February.

I am used to internships lasting only a semester, however this company is unique in that they are willing to keep me on as long as I'd like. I've already learned a good deal about the day-to-day workings of a MSP, and I am working as a Service Desk Technician. I prepare new PC's for clients and manage any recycled or old machines. I replace faulty hardware as needed. I also manage a simulated phishing campaign against various clients - we essentially phish their users on a monthly basis and keep them abreast of any phishing-related current events. I've been documenting several build processes / other internal processes and contributing to the knowledge database - trying to standardize the way we do a lot of things. I feel like I'm actually contributing and valued at the company, even though I'm an intern. They've slowly been exposing me to more complicated matters as they come up - firewalls, network diagnostics, etc.

In a perfect world, I wouldn't have pursued a second Bachelor's degree and would have completed some core competency courses and jumped in towards a Master's degree. However, given my exposure to programming (~none) and my past experience in the IT-field (also, ~none), I would have felt myself extremely ill-equipped for this route, even with the core competencies completed.

Sometimes I think I made a poor decision to pursue another Bachelor's, especially since I will have another 18 classes (~2yrs) left after this upcoming semester. I just need to keep reminding myself that none of this will happen overnight, and it's a slow-but-steady endeavor.

I did just find out that my school offers reduced rate vouchers for certain certification tests, and I'm planning on pursuing at least a few certs before I get out. I'm going to start with CompTIA A+ and Net+, and one class I'm taking actually requires everyone to get a MTA before the end of the semester. Coming from someone with no IT background before this, I think this path is helping set me up for success.
 
Hi,
I think your focus on going back to learn more skills is great. I went to public college and have no regrets.

One thing I do want to say though is that Information Technology (IT) and Software Development are often actually quite far apart from a day to day jobs perspective. I am not a Software Dev but I don't think they consider themselves IT. And most "IT guys" are not software devs.

So if you could really nail down your focus on what you want to be that would be a great start. If you are good at math and can learn to code then 100% you should go as much of the coding and development route as possible.

You won't know how to deploy exchange or setup active directory or understand many Windows concepts BUT WHO CARES. Seriously knowing "IT" is not a hard requirement for understanding programming and coding is where the money is at.

Being a sys admin (no offense to any here) pays much lower on average than compute science and software dev jobs.

'm going to start with CompTIA A+ and Net+, and one class I'm taking actually requires everyone to get a MTA before the end of the semester. Coming from someone with no IT background before this, I think this path is helping set me up for success.

Does this college track offer a more coding / CS focus? I would suggest if you can that you try to go the CS route and not IT.

As for "CompTIA A+ only" and a few other certs, those are usually more Best Buy Geek Squad (think $15/hr) vs career. Unfortunately most of the entry level jobs that would get someone in the door with an A+ cert (I certainly don't have this) really don't exist anymore. Those jobs have all been offshored by globalization and workers replaced with H1-B Visa holders from companies like Tata Consulting. I see it every day with my different customers. It is very sad overall.

But back on track.... in 2 years you could certainly learn software development. I don't know how old you are but I didn't graduate college until I was 28.

I wrote this in 2015. It is more prevalent now than ever before!

We are seeing the rise of software defined everything. From Cisco programmable switches to app dev with workloads in the cloud, completely bypassing IT, at every step of the way it the coders who are more relevant.

The traditional network, compute, database and storage teams are becoming less relevant with each new wave of this change.

Have you read about AWS, Azure? Openstack?

What about Big Data with Hadoop workloads? Splunk? Etc.

All of these new technologies are more oriented towards those who can code.


---> Lastly man, I really really hope you are getting input from other folks. This forum is not the best place to ask this. Even Reddit would be many times better. There is an R/____ for everything.

IT is changing man. The future is Google Cloud, Amazon AWS, Microsoft Azure. The future will created by those who code or work in software development. Even if you don't code well there is a job for you if you can code well enough to graduate and understand programming. There are so many different types of jobs.

Focus less on the Enterprise IT and more Software Development track. These are two VERY VERY different things from a jobs perspective.

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BTW I checked out the course load with the Soft Dev track you are doing and I think that looks really good stuff ....

Information Technology| Georgia Gwinnett College

If it were me in your shoes I would choose:

---> Information Technology Sequence (Mobile App Dev and then Computer Graphics & Media)
* [Game development pays less and hours insane, these folks sometimes work like slaves, I wouldn't wish a job like that on anyone]

--> Math track --> Calc I + Calc II + Linear Algebra
* [btw this is not that hard but still stronger than "Principals of Physics" which isn't actual Physics I&II anyways]

And on your own time .... learn to program! You don't need school to teach you this. Every minute spent learning C++, Java, Python etc is 1000x better spent than learning entry level IT Certification. $100K starting vs $40K (purely an example).

Best of luck to you!
 
I am glad I got into IT in the early 90's when everyone was desperate for hires. No degree required, fresh out of high school and they would put you thru all classes/certifications while on the job and pay for it.

It's like nursing, the job will never go away but you have to keep up with the changing environment or get left behind.

I have one guy I knew who was Mr Cobalt Pro in the 80's. He drove a new Corvette and was a big showoff. He did not keep up and the last time I talked to him he was pumping concrete. Not that pumping concrete is bad, it just doesn't pay as well.
 
I'd like to also add that I am not trying to say that Enterprise Architecture is a bad thing to learn about. It is just that I really think starting out new out of college in 2020 learning how to be a Sys-Admin, Windows or Linux engineer is starting at a disadvantage compared to working as a developer or part of the Software Dev world.

From the 90s through the 2000s enterprise architecture was everything IT. If you had money you bought HW and SW and ran your own data-center.

But nowadays and especially by 2020 it going to be about CLOUD. If you understand programming, Linux and cloud technologies then you are really going to be setup.

I strongly strongly suggest focusing on IT certs + programming that are heavily cloud focused! Go to Amazon's website, take their FREE training for how to be AWS certified as a cloud architect. Go to Microsoft Azure's website. Learn about that curriculum.

The future is cloud and the future architects are most likely someone who is IT focused but also can code and script heavily.

Oh and if anyone has budget and is looking to build a data center please PM me! Lol.

Good luck :pop2:
 
I also want to echo the points you made from experience since this thread was started.

One thing I do want to say though is that Information Technology (IT) and Software Development are often actually quite far apart from a day to day jobs perspective. I am not a Software Dev but I don't think they consider themselves IT. And most "IT guys" are not software devs.

I started in IT at a company and IT was split into two main groups. One groups was coding out our internal systems architecture to expand and upgrade as we were a growing company. The other part of IT was mainly internal user support for software/hardware ranging from users getting locked out to replacing mouse batteries.

Eventually went to a development team which like Brian said, is night and day from IT. We are working directly on the productized system that we sell, and enhancing the features within each team (one team handles a few features each).

Being a sys admin (no offense to any here) pays much lower on average than compute science and software dev jobs.

I was in a different department, at one time, where you were an admin for several other, independent admins. This was by far the most work for the least amount of pay.

But back on track.... in 2 years you could certainly learn software development. I don't know how old you are but I didn't graduate college until I was 28.

I actually graduated at 28 also and do not regret spending the extra time to figure things out. The great thing about spending the time to get the base knowledge in regarding software development is they build on each other. So once you get the hang of a few base languages or even the idea of how agile development works, most new principles will have a decent amount of overlap.
 
One thing I do want to say though is that Information Technology (IT) and Software Development are often actually quite far apart from a day to day jobs perspective.

I agree with you whole-heartedly. I wanted exposure to a little bit of everything, which is why I was particularly drawn to the program that I am in. Since it’s an IT major, it has all of the “hands-on” skills (Systems Administration, Networking, System Analysis and Design), but then since it offers a concentration in Software Development, it is also technical-based as well. Everything is taught using Java. I’ve taken Intro to Programming so far and this semester I am in Intermediate Programming. The concepts are new and sometimes difficult to grasp; we’re about to start on things like polymorphism, inheritance, and recursion. My programming professor was a Software Developer for a well-known accounting company and has been in the industry for 20+ years. He expects everyone to be on their A-game and does not accept anything short of your best efforts. It is definitely a struggle at times, but it is also the kick in the ass that I needed to get / remain serious about learning all of this.

IT is changing man. The future is Google Cloud, Amazon AWS, Microsoft Azure. The future will created by those who code or work in software development.

Also agree – even at my internship (MSP) they are transferring clients to Azure AD and off of on-premise solutions. It’s a game-changer, for sure.

My friend works in Dev-Ops and from what he was telling me, it sounds like they took the IT Support desk function, Sys Admin, and a few other job functions that have historically been handled by a team of people, and condensed it into one or two people’s job roles.

I'd like to also add that I am not trying to say that Enterprise Architecture is a bad thing to learn about. It is just that I really think starting out new out of college in 2020 learning how to be a Sys-Admin, Windows or Linux engineer is starting at a disadvantage compared to working as a developer or part of the Software Dev world.

I agree with you that Software Development is the best place to be right now. The school also offers a Systems and Security track, which many college students are taking (along with the Enterprise track). I think that to really break into the field of cyber-security, for example, you need years of intimate experience as a Network Administrator. It’s not something you just “do” out of college…

I feel bad because some of these kids (I call them “kids” because I am 30 now) are so disillusioned about what their actual job prospects are going to look like when they get out.

As of now, I am going to keep my head down and try to get 1-1.5years of experience where I am at now (Systems Desk Engineer, being geared toward some networking / server-side responsibilities), but I do think it would be highly beneficial to get a Java-related programming internship before I graduate. This could help me land my foot in the door to an actual programming gig after college.

Another option: Since I already have a 4-year degree (BA in Creative Writing), is there going to be a certain point where my IT-related work and school experience can help get my foot in the door to a good position, before I’ve finished my degree?

The b**s**t thing about this whole going-back-to-college endeavor is that I finished the application process in October, didn’t get an official acceptance letter until the end of November, and then had to have my transfer-credits evaluated and sign up for classes during December. The college literally would not tell me what would transfer or how long I would need to allocate in order to get this degree, until I had my Student ID number and was officially accepted.

I was expecting 1.5-2 years to get this 2nd degree. Well, after this Fall I will have been at it for one year – but after 3 classes in Spring ’18, 1 class during Summer, and 4 classes this Fall, I will still have 18 classes left. At 4 classes / semester (and a summer semester) that’s 2 more years….

I guess I shouldn’t have gotten my hopes up TOO high, since a BA degree doesn’t bring a whole ton of relevant classes to the BS curriculum….but still.

I’m trying to figure out if there will be a “tipping point” after I’ve taken Intro, Intermediate Programming, Advanced Programming, Intro Networking, possibly Advanced Networking, Intro to Databases…where I will be marketable enough to say “Well, I technically do already have a Bachelor’s degree…”

There are also MS programs that are offered locally (GA Tech OMSCS comes to mind), but I’m worried that I don’t have the core IT-related competencies required of someone coming into that program. The MS program would be 30-credits, costs ~$8,000, and is an actual MS-CS awarded by GA Tech (very prestigious college around here).

My understanding is that a CS (especially MS-CS) would be waaaaay more theoretical than I would be acclimated to, especially since my coursework hasn’t been too CS-heavy. Discrete Math was the closest thing I’ve had to take to a CS course this far.
 
MS-CS is Masters in Computer Science right, that's what we are taking about?
Yes a MS in CS would be higher paying than anything else listed so far. It is also something that is no joke and a degree that will require you to be actually good at programming. I am not saying you aren't good it trying to discourage you but personally I'd say you can get an MS at any point in the future, first get your BS (not BA). Just my opinion.

I’m trying to figure out if there will be a “tipping point” after I’ve taken Intro, Intermediate Programming, Advanced Programming, Intro Networking, possibly Advanced Networking, Intro to Databases…where I will be marketable enough to say “Well, I technically do already have a Bachelor’s degree…”

Personally this would be a bad idea in my opinion vs just finishing the BS. You may find that in 1-2 years out of college or getting hired that you have programming but the good news is there are hundreds of other high paying tech job types out there. At that point you will be way better off with having completed the BS in IT Management with a soft Dev background. If you quit early you are much more risk of being locked in.

Plus keep in mind that a recession and collapse could happen any day now you won't be better off if you dropped out without finishing the BS because a good job offer popped up.

And lastly, let's be real here the best classes, the 201 and 301 level knowledge that you can only get at a University (usually) are what you take in your Sr year. So if you skipped out because of a job you would miss out on the best track classes.

Stick with it. Give it your best. When you mention the professor expecting the highest effort I thought .... Good! Why should you expect a great education without putting in the highest effort right! You can do it!

Btw I sell Enterprise technology and even I'm practicing my programming skills on the side.

And on as a final comment I'll share this quote from Prof. Jordan Peterson "why wouldn't you have to complete for a high power position". If you haven't already read it, check out "12 Rules For Life" I'm reading it right now and I think you would greatly benefit (like I am) from the read.

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Yes a MS in CS would be higher paying than anything else listed so far. It is also something that is no joke and a degree that will require you to be actually good at programming. I am not saying you aren't good it trying to discourage you but personally I'd say you can get an MS at any point in the future, first get your BS (not BA). Just my opinion.

you will be way better off with having completed the BS in IT Management with a soft Dev background. If you quit early you are much more risk of being locked in.

Very good advice, and I guess it's just me being impatient. I need to realize that this is a process and it will take many individual baby-steps to get there.

My girlfriend's sister's boyfriend was a Bio major, he graduated and was under-employed for a few years, and went back for MIS. He said that at first, he had both of his degrees listed on his resume, and got no callbacks. Then he removed the Bio degree and made it look like this was his first Bachelor's degree, and had call-backs within the week.

Ageism is no joke in this industry. I am lucky that I look younger than I am, and I could probably get away with taking off my prior college degree and any other age-revealing information, since technically I believe it is illegal for them to ask your age in an interview anyway.

You make good points, and as an aside - I've been meaning to read The Phoenix Project. It seems like it would tie well with the Intro to Info Systems (Essentially MIS) class that I'm taking at the moment!

And in the grand scheme of things, if I complete this degree and want to go pursue a graduate degree .. that will still be a viable option.

Thank you for all of the advice. I know it's a fairly unique position that I'm in, and I also know that there is a ton riding on this to go right this time. Although, it does make me feel better than when I look for threads on Reddit with the keywords "going back for a second bachelor's degree" there are literally hundreds of people in similar positions as me.
 
I have read The Phoenix Project. Pretty decent book. By read I mean I listened to it on Audible. I love Audible. I listen at the gym, commuting etc.

But first I suggest you read 12 Rule For Life ... because you won't regret it. Definitely read the Phoenix project as well.
 
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[MENTION=65101]BrianSD_42[/MENTION] nailed it. The IT field is very broad and there are many paths to choose from. Software and cyber is probably the best pay jobs right now in the IT field but also the hardest to learn/ expand on. With that said Cyber sec also goes with experience and clearance. Most cyber jobs require clearances, especially government and private sector which I think is the best place to be personally. Those certifications are good to start off on, but after that, thats when certs branch off to different areas of the IT field. Start off broad but really start thinking of what area you what to specialize in.

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I should probably add for OP that my sister just graduated with her second bachelor, previously a BA in PolySci and this time with a STEM BS in Information Science something from UC Irvine.

She is looking for jobs as a UX designer/programmer right now and has no regrets about the 2nd degree! In some ways she was lucky that her original school was UCI and they have a special clause for admitting alumni students back in for 2nd chance degree, grad degrees etc. UCI is a very hard school to get into otherwise.
 

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