Anyone running Hutchinson or B.A.D. Dot legal bead locks?

[Plumbrunner]

Im trying to decide on what wheels im getting for my upcoming pro. Doing a king lift with uca's. I actually like the stock pro wheels but I do like the aftermarket look and would prefer the right wheel width for 285's and the tire sticking out just a tad farther. I understand why traditional outside lip bead locks aren't dot approved. Honestly from a safety/pain in the ass stand point I cant deal with them on an almost daily rig. I dont have the time to constantly check the bolts to make sure everything's where it should be etc. I get it and understand some guys do it , its just not for me. With that said I've found a few legal ones and they all look bad ass. I really like the hutchinsons but they're heavy. From what I could find online like 54lb vs 26lb stock pro wheel.
With bfg ko2 talking around 110lb per tire. So im guessing vs stock prob 30-35lb heavier per corner?

Im on the fence. I know I can get by without them i was just looking for some other opinions.

 

[Engineer]

To my knowledge [MENTION=124732]LawnDart[/MENTION] is the only person on the forum who runs those (Hutchinson) IIRC.

Where are you in Michigan? Unless its the UP and you are planning to treat your brand new Pro like a trail rig (nothing wrong with that) I think I would pass on the Beadlocks for now. Money better spent else where and you really don't want 100+lbs of rotating mass at each wheel without gearing changes

 

[FactoryRide]

[MENTION=89562]bimrunner[/MENTION] is running Hutchinson's also!

I wouldn't waste your money buying beadlocks for K02s in flavor of 285. Seems like a lot of overkill for nothing more than looks. You probably still want to check you bolts periodically on Hutchinson's.

 

[LawnDart]

[MENTION=89562]bimrunner[/MENTION] is running Hutchinson's also!

I wouldn't waste your money buying beadlocks for K02s in flavor of 285. Seems like a lot of overkill for nothing more than looks. You probably still want to check you bolts periodically on Hutchinson's.

My bolts haven’t budged in 25000 miles. That’s not an extra zero by the way. Witness mark them and you don’t have to recheck torque constantly.

Just for looks? Hah. Some of us use the beadlocks as intended.

 

[bimrunner]

All depends on what wheeling you do, mods planned, and budget. I wouldn't run these without regearing. They are heavy! They will mean maintenance, decreased life of brakes, wheel bearings and they aren't fun to rotate or balance. They are better than many beadlocks. I love them. They were one of my later mods though. I do daily mine, but I don't have to drive much. Be honest with yourself and what you want and plan to do and you'll make the right decision. These are wheels you can feel every time you drive. Not a street performance mod. If you are a beadlocks kinda fella, I'd recommend mud tires. It's up to you though.

 

[FactoryRide]

My bolts haven’t budged in 25000 miles. That’s not an extra zero by the way. Witness mark them and you don’t have to recheck torque constantly.

Just for looks? Hah. Some of us use the beadlocks as intended.

Not sure why you got so hurt by this comment. I was not pointing fingers at anyone, nor did I claim some don't use them for their intended purpose.

BUT... unless you are doing some serious wheeling, beadlocks aren't worth the weight and cost. Hence the overkill comment. Especially for 285 K02s (an indicator that he is planning to keep it somewhat mild). I run 315s on SCS wheels and go down 10psi when I wheel. Guess what? I've never blown a bead.

 

[LawnDart]

Not sure why you got so hurt by this comment. I was not pointing fingers at anyone, nor did I claim some don't use them for their intended purpose.

BUT... unless you are doing some serious wheeling, beadlocks aren't worth the weight and cost. Hence the overkill comment. Especially for 285 K02s (an indicator that he is planning to keep it somewhat mild). I run 315s on SCS wheels and go down 10psi when I wheel. Guess what? I've never blown a bead.

Hurt? No.

I'm responding to a comment that was either poorly worded, or fundamentally incorrect.

You don't need to do "serious" wheeling to see benefit from a beadlock. If you're willing to deal with what is an extra step or two in how they're mounted, and maintained, and the weight, their benefits are exceptional.

I ran 9 days at 8 psi in Baja, at speeds ranging from 65mph to stretches at 100mph, without airing up. Going from offroad to onroad. And the guys not running beadlocks were always wary of situations where lateral forces were being applied to the tires during harder turns on road, where the lower PSI had a very very real chance of dislodging the bead.

 

[Plumbrunner]

Hurt? No.

I'm responding to a comment that was either poorly worded, or fundamentally incorrect.

You don't need to do "serious" wheeling to see benefit from a beadlock. If you're willing to deal with what is an extra step or two in how they're mounted, and maintained, and the weight, their benefits are exceptional.

I ran 9 days at 8 psi in Baja, at speeds ranging from 65mph to stretches at 100mph, without airing up. Going from offroad to onroad. And the guys not running beadlocks were always wary of situations where lateral forces were being applied to the tires during harder turns on road, where the lower PSI had a very very real chance of dislodging the bead.

Im not worried about the initial cost. Im trying to decide mostly if im willing to deal with the weight on each corner if im not going to be using them to their full potential OR close to their potential. Plus i just like the idea of them, but I think for now the weight and lack of real use might be an issue.

 

[FactoryRide]

Hurt? No.

I'm responding to a comment that was either poorly worded, or fundamentally incorrect.

You don't need to do "serious" wheeling to see benefit from a beadlock. If you're willing to deal with what is an extra step or two in how they're mounted, and maintained, and the weight, their benefits are exceptional.

I ran 9 days at 8 psi in Baja, at speeds ranging from 65mph to stretches at 100mph, without airing up. Going from offroad to onroad. And the guys not running beadlocks were always wary of situations where lateral forces were being applied to the tires during harder turns on road, where the lower PSI had a very very real chance of dislodging the bead.

8 psi huh?

 

[Pathfinder5243]

8 psi huh?

 

[LawnDart]

8 psi huh?

15 for a couple of Days. Then 8 for the other.

I rounded up on social media because without context 8 can sound dangerous in terms of handling. The amount of body roll we induced was pretty stomach churning.

 

[LawnDart]

Im not worried about the initial cost. Im trying to decide mostly if im willing to deal with the weight on each corner if im not going to be using them to their full potential OR close to their potential. Plus i just like the idea of them, but I think for now the weight and lack of real use might be an issue.

Wider wheels are probably a better use if your money for now. The added weight will be felt. A regear will help compensate. But only so much. I will say that servicing them is a ***** if you have to actually remove the tire.

I think it took about 10 plastic wedges, two people, and four pry bars to remove a tire to get to my TPMS sensor. I’m dreading when I either change tire make/model.

 

[rochmpr]

Let's all be real here for one minute. For 99.9% of the off-roading one will encounter in an IFS 4Runner, bead locks are completely unnecessary, hell, even most solid axle rigs do not even need them. The couple 5th gens running them are not absolutely required. They do have their place, but unless you are hardcore off-roading, you are buying a Rolex when a Timex would do.

 

[Plumbrunner]

Let's all be real here for one minute. For 99.9% of the off-roading one will encounter in an IFS 4Runner, bead locks are completely unnecessary, hell, even most solid axle rigs do not even need them. The couple 5th gens running them are not absolutely required. They do have their place, but unless you are hardcore off-roading, you are buying a Rolex when a Timex would do.

This is why I love forums! You guys have collectively talked me off of the edge lol

If it wasn’t for the stock wheel width being to small I would have probably just kept them. I really like these. I saw someone else with them here.

I love the idea of the replaceable rash guard on the edge!
http://www.visionwheel.com/wheel/39988/111-Nemesis-Matte Black

 

[wfo9]

You don't want beadlocks on your truck unless you have very extreme plans for it. The weight penalty is major.

If you air down to take advantage of them with 33s. your truck will feel terrible and unstable for most offroad situations. Extreme low pressures can be useful in a few situations, but overall its a balancing act. It starts to feel really weird below 15psi and that is plenty of pressure to keep the bead on.

I'm only talking about typical radial tires here BTW. But even on my bias plys with beadlocks going lower than a certain point kills the feel and it starts to squirm under you on anything but flat ground.

Iv'e ran 10-12 before on my 5th gen, but realized it was just too low for most of what I do. I settled back on 17 with 34" MTRs.. but each tire is different depending on the sidewall construction.

The 5th gens limit for me is always clearance (rarely ever traction). If I have clearance. I'm going to make it in almost all situations.

 

[wfo9]

Let's all be real here for one minute. For 99.9% of the off-roading one will encounter in an IFS 4Runner, bead locks are completely unnecessary, hell, even most solid axle rigs do not even need them. The couple 5th gens running them are not absolutely required. They do have their place, but unless you are hardcore off-roading, you are buying a Rolex when a Timex would do.

That Rolex would also weigh about 2lbs. Useful if you need the functionality, but a PITA to live with if you don't.

I won't even go into what problems they cause at a tire shop LOL. Just don't do it unless you have a specific need for them.

Another product to consider if you really really think you need beadlocks is this.
https://www.innerairlock.com/what-is-inner-air-lock/

The concept makes sense and should eliminate much of the weight penalty of multi piece construction rims.

 

[Plumbrunner]

That Rolex would also weigh about 2lbs. Useful if you need the functionality, but a PITA to live with if you don't.

I won't even go into what problems they cause at a tire shop LOL. Just don't do it unless you have a specific need for them.

Another product to consider if you really really think you need beadlocks is this.
https://www.innerairlock.com/what-is-inner-air-lock/

The concept makes sense and should eliminate much of the weight penalty of multi piece construction rims.

Yeah I’m gonna just get some aftermarket wider wheels and call it a day.

Not sure what tires but the wheels are cheap enough i can always get some traditional style beadlocks and tires to swap out from the “daily” wheels if I ever felt I would be doing something I needed to really air down for.

 

[bimrunner]

Yeah I’m gonna just get some aftermarket wider wheels and call it a day.

Not sure what tires but the wheels are cheap enough i can always get some traditional style beadlocks and tires to swap out from the “daily” wheels if I ever felt I would be doing something I needed to really air down for.

The SCS F5 wheels are sweet. I have them on the fzj80. Wider, better stance, light and great compliment to the look on toyotas.