Apple iPhone 8/X and A11

[Thai]

Please read what I said, I stated that the government was losing, not winning I'm not sure where you got that from; I'd also like to point out that the FBI was not the only vested interest in that matter, they were merely the ones needing the information at that time.

Also again, all the examples I pointed out were specifically to point out that Apple does the exact same thing as all those other companies not that they are the worse than those companies. You do this every single time even when I go out of my way to implicitly state my intent of pointing out they do what other companies do. I totally agree and acknowledge all those other company's faults and failures, I'm well aware they are not better than Apple and have constantly maintained that.

Also Apple got nailed for child/slave labor multiple times over I believe it was 5yrs despite "fixing the problem", which again isn't abnormal for any company Apple's size.

I have and will continue to emphasize that Apple is no better than any other company. I'm not sure how much more clear I can be with that, because you constantly ignore that despite me almost having to repeat it in every post. At this point it's obviously willfully ignoring that because you cannot admit that Apple is no better than any other company out there, a common failing I've seen in other "cultists" I have no problem admitting Samsung is company fraught with ethical issues, or Nike, or Google, or Wells Fargo; but that is irrelevant to what I am saying and what I have maintained.

I'd rather not derail your thread any further to go back and forth with you on the fact you're incapable of seeing or admitting that Apple is just like every other company it's size, it's obvious every time someone questions your faith in Apple. But do you really want to just go round about over this?

When did i say that Apple did not do bad things? Sorry, are you crazy?:crazy:

Hey now, you have been repeating how you refused to own Apple because of past failings, right? Samsung is equally bad if not worst...why do you own Samsung devices? Why on your high horse looking down specifically on Apple? You always include your disclaimer, but we know better, right?

You can do whatever you want dude...it is clear that you lack understanding on the basics of how iPhones (or any phone for that matter) work. You don’t even understand Secure Enclave and yet you make the same ignorant statements over and over again.

Why do you own a Samsung if Samsung has done worst than Apple in everything you care about?

 

[Thai]

What's your point? That's a good example of corruption. Another Samsung & Apple have continued to have a vested interest in making sure Congress doesn't bug them too much about all the Tax money they avoid paying. They, along with Google and others, maintain control over the government through vested interests and political manipulation to make sure the people's voice & their interests do not go above theirs.

You have this weird obsession with hating Samsung, which is amusing and I'm all for; but using them as a shield to hide behind doesn't work.

I make fun of Samsung because you love them so much. Despite stating repeatedly WHY you will NEVER own an Apple products because of their past failings, you own several products from a company that is far worst in past failings AND current ethical standards.

(Actually, i like to make fun of Androids more so than Samsung. Just to set the record straight. )

 

[BlackWorksInc]

When did i say that Apple did not do bad things? Sorry, are you crazy?:crazy:

Hey now, you have been repeating how you refused to own Apple because of past failings, right? Samsung is equally bad if not worst...why do you won Samsung devices? Why on your high horse looking down specifically on Apple? You always include your disclaimer, but we know better, right?

You can do whatever you want dude...it is clear that you lack understanding on the basics of how iPhones (or any phone for that matter) work. You don’t even understand Secure Enclave and yet you make the same ignorant statements over and over again.

Why do you own a Samsung if Samsung has done worst than Apple in everything you care about?

If you must know, I like the Active Series of phones. They have stood up to serious abuse that no other phone I have owned has. 6ft+drops from my pocket when on a hoist onto the shop floor to bounce 10ft away more than once. Being soaked in ATF, Brake Fluid, Coolant, Engine Oil, Trail Dust, Stuff that I can only describe as "Gunk", been submerged in a river, been banged on rocks in a river, and so on. They happen to be the only "rugged" offering that has relatively good hardware in them, the CAT and one other offering were close contenders but just weren't very powerful. Apple does not offer anything remotely rugged or durable, not that I would consider them if they did. That's it really, Samsung makes a phone for a niche market that performs well and does what I need it to; that's the extent of my appreciation for the Samsung in regards to Smartphones. If Nokia, Huawei or anyone else made a rugged phone that fit the rough form factor of the Samsung Active series and was equal to or exceeded my needs, then I'd probably pick one up next year when I'm due for an upgrade.

I also loved my old Macbook Pro back in the day, the sleek silver metal thing with it's ingenious magnetic charging cable was my favorite thing. The fun I'd have with Photoshop and the stories I'd type endlessly on it's keys as if I were going to be an author (the idiocy that anyone would give a shit about my pitiful attempts at storytelling). I was part of the Apple cult so to speak, I just grew out of it and honestly Apple hasn't made anything worth going back to since Jobs finally died (though the iPhoneX is actually the first in a while to perk my interest if not out of curiosity rather than intent.

Also again deflection, you don't need to say anything when you're tactics speak volumes. You're constant strawman arguments and deflection/avoidance are amusing, it's almost impressive the efforts you go to to avoid saying something (which inherently says everything). It's always like that with you, you think if you can deflect, draw attention away, and not directly acknowledge something then the elephant isn't there.

I stated why many times, because their products do what I need, how that company does business is not usually relevant to me specifically. As a person I have no control over what these companies do (despite them having control of me and the country I live in), but that doesn't really matter; there's not a good company out there, so morality as a buying decision is a joke. Humans manipulate and take advantage of one another, that's human nature; as long as you know how the game's played you're less likely to be killed. Things have value and inherent risks, beyond that it's inconsequential what happens if it does not affect me or things I care about. I'm not someone bothered by how the sausage gets made, if I need to go back there and gut the damn pig myself I'll do it; I just don't mind if someone's already made the sausage for me for a reasonable price.

and if you must know...

(substitute Psychopath for "Crazy" or don't either way works and yes the government is well aware of me, I get out of jury duty.)

Now can we get back on topic or do you want to continue our usual banter back and forth? I personally am curious to see how Apple plays with Augmented Reality and how FaceID will tap into that. The whole AR field is very interesting to me, I do wish they could come up with something sleeker looking than Google Glass.

@Thai

I'm also curious about your thoughts about Apple's iPhone 8/X being useful as "Workstation Replacements" I thought that was a very interesting concept when I read about Samsung trying it out a while back.

 

[Thai]

I see that you’re changing your tune.

The Active is bigger than normal S-series. Just add a case (e.g. Otterbox) to whatever you have and you have the same.

You hate Apple. No need to lie about it. You have stated repeatedly that you hate them because of their past failings. I have NEVER said or defended Apple’s past failing. Please show me where I have deny Apple wrongdoings in past.

What i have done (repeatedly) is defend Apple’s current software and hardware performance. I admit that.

But, I have NEVER mention in this whole forum anything about Apple’s tax evasion, child labor, etc.. NEVER.

So, let’s cut the BS dude. No need to lie. I can speak for myself.

You have CLEARLY stated many times that you will NEVER own an Apple product because of their failed ethics and past actions, right? Again, don’t lie.

I have pointed out to you that Samsung, Google, LG, etc. have all been just as bad, or in Samsung case, much worst! Thus, i question why YOU with such high ethical standards own several devices from Samsung.

Please stop lying about this/that/deflections whatever dude. Like i said, your arguments and logic are pure utter fail. You do NOT know tech like i do. Please stay out of it because i will burn you every single time.

And now you say how companies’ ethical standards are not a concern for you...HUH?? Now, folks, THAT is called backtracking!!

 

[Thai]

Why on earth would Apple make iPhone X a desktop replacement?!! That’s retarded. Samsung is doing that as a marketing gimmick!! Read ANY reviews of that desktop crap and you will see what a horrible solution it is...full of compromises! Why bother?!

What is Apple’s desktop replacement? It is called iPad PRO. And i have stated this several times already.

And no, Qualcomm S835 is NOT as powerful as Apple A10...and forget about A11. And because Samsung has that desktop gimmick does not mean that S835 is more powerful.

Apple is VERY clear what each device’s purpose is. Samsung (like most of Android) is all about throwing all sorts of crazy ideas out and hoping one will stick...and that idea is not gonna stick! LOL

 

[BlackWorksInc]

Yeah I don't what you're going on about, my S8 Active is smaller than an S8 or iPhone in a case. Otterboxes are tough no doubt, but huge and their "screens" get easily scuffed. Do you understand that the concept of a "Rugged" Smartphone is to maintain a roughly similar form factor to a consumer phone with the benefits of being far more durable? Because I feel like that's just going over your head, sure I could stick a laptop in a giant metal box and it'd protect it fine, but it'd be huge and cumbersome... hence why products like the Panasonic Toughbook and it's competitors exist.

My tune has not changed, Apple = Every other company out there. I have mentioned before in one or two other posts that I owned an Apple and I generally liked it at the time(though there were things I hated) and that after growing out of it and looking back I didn't like how Apple as a company moved forward and continues to move (as I've mentioned I preferred Apple when it was run by a competent leader). But yeah I probably will never own another Apple because of that (and that probably is pretty much 100%, again I do find the iPhoneX interesting, but not interesting enough to buy one). You can't speak for yourself, you tout your devotion to Apple at an almost religious zealot level when you're not actively avoiding any possibility of even acknowledging anything that goes against that, it's been pointed out to you many times over the years by not just me. Again, you spend so much effort to avoid, deflect, throw out straw-man arguments that it's laughable. You then try to defend yourself by saying "see I went through all this trouble NOT to say the thing I avoided saying I win!" as if it means something? Good for you I guess? It's not about you saying anything about Apple's mistakes/issues, it's about your gymnastics to avoid even acknowledging such things exist until someone corners you, you do the same thing to any idea that conflicts you.

My observations on company's lacking morality is not equivalent to holding a company to an ethical standard; I already said such an attempt is pointless as you'd have no companies left to choose from. How the sausage is made doesn't concern me, humans suffer all the time why care? As long as it's of use to me and meets my needs for a negligible amount of risk, it's of little consequence. Being aware that the companies are essentially money-grubbing immoral organizations ready to take you for everything your worth does not exclude them from business, it merely means you need to understand how to play the game before paying. I distrust the government and see our country heading towards a very bloody confrontation with an over-reaching government that takes advantage of it's citizenry; but that does not stop me from doing business with them, I just do so prepared.

Once again it does not change that Apple is equal to all the other company's it's size, they're all the same. I don't hate them any more than I dislike any other corporation, though the toxic cultists they spawn are a bit more favoring of my disdain.

Why on earth would Apple make iPhone X a desktop replacement?!! That’s retarded. Samsung is doing that as a marketing gimmick!! Read ANY reviews of that desktop crap and you will see what a horrible solution it is...full of compromises! Why bother?!

What is Apple’s desktop replacement? It is called iPad PRO. And i have stated this several times already.

And no, Qualcomm S835 is NOT as powerful as Apple A10...and forget about A11. And because Samsung has that desktop gimmick does not mean that S835 is more powerful.

Apple is VERY clear what each device’s purpose is. Samsung (like most of Android) is all about throwing all sorts of crazy ideas out and hoping one will stick...and that idea is not gonna stick! LOL

Actually it wasn't about the Snapdragon being more powerful than the A11 at all. It was about the concept, so not sure where you got that idea from? I already admitted A11 is impressive and more powerful than Snapdragon (though I was a bit curious the accuracy of the tests, but you gave me links that verified the accuracy, so no issues there). I'm not sure what you're raging about in regards to companies trying new things; it's pretty normal? Some things work and somethings don't, the concept was novel enough and it probably won't work but I found the A11's power to maybe make it an interesting idea.

Well the idea was that smart phones are always being touted as being almost as powerful as computers these days, so I guess they wanted to see how well it'd work. The idea was whether or not you could have a phone that docks with a screen and keyboard replace a standard workstation (not a desktop for a home/professional consumer, we're talking workstations like you'd have at an office). I've seen mixed reviews on it, some found it worked well in that context and others found it lacking. I guess the idea was more about cost reduction for small businesses and better integrating your smart phone with your business.

The A11 seems to have more overhead so I was curious how it'd fair I imagine well as the Snapdragon did decently as a basic workstation; so with it's scores it'd do well. The biggest issue would be integration as most businesses don't bother with Apple's OS outside of an iPad/Square combo. But that's something good marketing and software package could solve. But the concept could actually be a good way for small businesses to alleviate equipment costs. If your employees can use their very powerful phones that they already do business with to supplement the cost of an expensive tower then that helps you as a business out. The concept roughly exists already in some forms where companies have been using dedicated servers with modified displays to mimic workstations.

 

[Thai]

[MENTION=66389]BlackWorksInc[/MENTION]

Bottom line...look at San Bernardino case.

All your arguments can be answered with that case. Was TouchID data uploaded to cloud? No. Was passcode uploaded to cloud? No. Was this guy’s messages uploaded to cloud? No. Etc.. In each of these things, Apple had NOTHING to give to FBI.

Love to quote my own self. Was TouchID data uploaded to Cloud or available on Apple’s server side? NO. Was TouchID data available to FBI (before eventually being cracked by Israeli company)? NO. Was any of terrorist phone data available on Apple’s server?? NO. Was the same available to FBI (before the hack)?? NO. Was his phone properly encrypted?? YES.

So, knowing all that and what Apple has done since (and well documented) in the area of privacy and security via Secure Enclave and File Encryption, why would you think FaceID data which is located ONLY in Secure Enclave (same area as San Bernardino phone) be any different???

I understand if San Bernardino case showed that Apple was lying all along about Secure Enclave and encryption and thus now you have doubts. But that was not the case at all.

Can you please stop your illogical bias arguments now?? PLEASE.

 

[Thai]

Actually it wasn't about the Snapdragon being more powerful than the A11 at all. It was about the concept, so not sure where you got that idea.

Well the idea was that smart phones are always being touted as being almost as powerful as computers these days, so I guess they wanted to see how well it'd work. The idea was whether or not you could have a phone that docks with a screen and keyboard replace a standard workstation (not a desktop for a home/professional consumer, we're talking workstations like you'd have at an office). I've seen mixed reviews on it, some found it worked well in that context and others found it lacking. I guess the idea was more about cost reduction for small businesses and better integrating your smart phone with your business.

The A11 seems to have more overhead so I was curious how it'd fair I imagine well as the Snapdragon did decently as a basic workstation; so with it's scores it'd do well. The biggest issue would be integration as most businesses don't bother with Apple's OS outside of an iPad/Square combo. But that's something good marketing and software package could solve.

No...no. That’s a half-assed “solution”...and that is being optimistic with the Samsung gimmick. Small businesses will NEVER use that. This is why Samsung gimmick never caught on. No one is copying THAT idea!

Businesses use iPhones too.

As for overhead of A11...that’s not the only thing. Memory pipeline on iPhones are very very wide. And then you add in software that is very well integrated into hardware. Android side can never match this. And this is why Android with 6-8 GB of RAM still lose badly to iPhones of last year with measly 2GB of RAM in any sorts of speed test and app performance.

2017 Samsung S8 vs. 2015 iPhone 6s: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3ajdZQc3q_8

 

[Thai]

Why fingerprint scanner on mobile devices have flaws and why (in theory) is less secure than FaceID: deadspin-quote-carrot-aligned-w-bgr-2<\/title><path d="M10,3.5l3-3,3,3Z" style="fill:%23fff;stroke:%23fff"/><path d="M0,3.5H10l3-3,3,3H26" style="fill:none;stroke:%231b3a4d"/><\/svg>')}.f_branding_on.blog-group-deadspin .editor-inner.post-content .pu

This article points out why under-display fingerprint scanner has been such a pain in the ass to do.

And it looks like FaceID was planned from the beginning: Face ID Replacing Touch ID On The iPhone X Was Not A Last Minute Decision

 

[BlackWorksInc]

Love to quote my own self. Was TouchID data uploaded to Cloud or available on Apple’s server side? NO. Was TouchID data available to FBI (before eventually being cracked by Israeli company)? NO. Was any of terrorist phone data available on Apple’s server?? NO. Was the same available to FBI (before the hack)?? NO. Was his phone properly encrypted?? YES.

So, knowing all that and what Apple has done since (and well documented) in the area of privacy and security via Secure Enclave and File Encryption, why would you think FaceID data which is located ONLY in Secure Enclave (same area as San Bernardino phone) be any different???

I understand if San Bernardino case showed that Apple was lying all along about Secure Enclave and encryption and thus now you have doubts. But that was not the case at all.

Can you please stop your illogical bias arguments now?? PLEASE.

Dude... do I really need to quote myself, you can just go a page back an read it? I wasn't even disputing that in that specific example.

The example I made with the San Bernidino Case was that it was the government trying to set a precedent for accessing people's information overtly rather than hiring a 3rd party or using non-public facing resources (such as the NSA or CIA who would have to justify if they ever got caught why they broke laws/regulations/rights) Which is why I think FaceID is somewhat dangerous, not because of the software/technology itself but the implications and potential issues it brings up. Again two separate ideas here, one that the government will make efforts to create precedent to use this technology as they see fit and whether or not Apple is actually telling people the truth (something that is unverified as of right now).

Once again you're deflective and throwing strawman's to try and puff yourself up, like always.

No...no. That’s a half-assed “solution”...and that is being optimistic with the Samsung gimmick. Small businesses will NEVER use that. This is why Samsung gimmick never caught on. No one is copying THAT idea!

Businesses use iPhones too.

As for overhead of A11...that’s not the only thing. Memory pipeline on iPhones are very very wide. And then you add in software that is very well integrated into hardware. Android side can never match this. And this is why Android with 6-8 GB of RAM still lose badly to iPhones of last year with measly 2GB of RAM in any sorts of speed test and app performance.

2017 Samsung S8 vs. 2015 iPhone 6s: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3ajdZQc3q_8

I did mention that companies use Apple products, but as a software package you don't see Mac OS used as often. Typically most Apple OS is used as a modified cash register or a scanning device for inventory (though most larger companies use a dedicated handheld for that).

Again you're throwing irrelevant data for no purpose other than... actually in this case you're just throwing information out their to pad up your Apple ego it seems? I already said the Snapdragon is weaker than the A11? So good on your possibly bordering on sexual self-gratification?

Sure it's a "half-assed" solution, so is having essentially modified screens that link to server to mimic a standard desktop used in an office, but it's still used by some large corporations. It comes down to cost, if a screen + dock allows similar efficiency of an employee vs. buying an entire computer work station; most companies will choose the cheaper option (I mean FFS they only recently switched our work computers to Win7...) It's not a surprising concept or idea to attempt given how powerful mobile devices have gotten compared to your average workstation.

But I was looking for your opinion on the matter, I'm not really invested in the idea beyond it being an interesting novel idea and seeing that the A11 has more power and it might do well with the concept if implemented properly. For some reason you seem to think I'm trying to argue with you on it?

Why fingerprint scanner on mobile devices have flaws and why (in theory) is less secure than FaceID: deadspin-quote-carrot-aligned-w-bgr-2<\/title><path d="M10,3.5l3-3,3,3Z" style="fill:%23fff;stroke:%23fff"/><path d="M0,3.5H10l3-3,3,3H26" style="fill:none;stroke:%231b3a4d"/><\/svg>')}.f_branding_on.blog-group-deadspin .editor-inner.post-content .pu

This article points out why under-display fingerprint scanner has been such a pain in the ass to do.

And it looks like FaceID was planned from the beginning: Face ID Replacing Touch ID On The iPhone X Was Not A Last Minute Decision

Yeah... I never liked fingerprint scanning crap on the phones anyways, nor did I ever think it was a very secure method either. I always found them too glitchy and weird. I never really understood people's obsession with it. I didn't think FaceID was a last minute thing, I just figured they realized a while ago that finger print stuff is just a pain in the ass.

Post Note-

Rather than keep this going for a few more hours why don't we just call an armistice on the bickering so your thread doesn't get completely derailed like we usually manage to do? We both know it'll never stop and we're just going to go around in circles. Though honestly we've both been more civil than we usually are... so progress?

 

[Thai]

No straw man or deflection. You sir just miss my point regarding San Bernardino case.

You call straw man whenever you are confused in a discussion. That only shows weakness on your part.

BTW that was S835 losing to Apple A9 chip from 2015.

Good night.

 

[BlackWorksInc]

No straw man or deflection. You sir just miss my point regarding San Bernardino case.

You call straw man whenever you are confused in a discussion. That only shows weakness on your part.

BTW that was S835 losing to Apple A9 chip from 2015.

Good night.

Sorry it's hard to keep track since you like to bounce around when you're avoiding things in a discussion.

So your point is that Apple said they didn't have any information from the person's phone and their word is 100% accurate with no corroborative proof (no 3rd party substantiation to Apple's claims nor in this specific instance did the government have an opportunity to verify Apple's claims as the process did not go that far... thankfully)... cool you know I have some property in Texas that's dry as a bone I'd like to sell you. You're only defense is always "Apple pinky swore to me that that they're not doing bad things" and like the cultist you are you don't even question it. It's amazing really because you're not a stupid man, yet you're so willing to ignore reality because Apple tells you to. I mean I almost wonder if Apple told you to just just beat a puppy because it's okay you'd probably do it without even thinking about it.

Again with the self-gratification for no reason other than enjoying your own words? I am starting to think you're one of those weird Apple cultists that get off on their iPhone...

But have a good night none the less, always a pleasure.

 

[Thai]

I'll be more convinced if non-biased 3rd party inspectors/researchers could equivocally prove Apple's statements.

"...stored in the Secure Enclave as a mathematical model that cannot be reverse-engineered..." is that the same mathematical model that they used for their data-obfuscation? Because so far there's 3 groups of researchers who are pointing out that while yes they do "fuzzy" up the data, it's simply a matter of time and context for Apple to decode it, if they want; assuming they don't just modify the epsilon values in their favor. Besides Appe's PR Team, who has verified that this "Mathematical Model" truly cannot be backwards engineered? Have you seen the code, the very meth that encrypts this data, to verify Apple's statements?

That's the primary concern here with FaceID (not my concern but Congress's and a lot of people's concern regarding technology like FaceID) is that we have to trust that "they" are telling the truth 100% of the time; Apple's not some philanthropic saint out to better humanity.

Again, i point to San Bernardino case. That "3rd party verification" you seek so much is the damn FBI! FBI verified that getting into an old iPhone 5c was nearly impossible. That case proved without a doubt that Apple canNOT break into an iPhone that has passcode. That case proved without a doubt that Apple does NOT have your important data. That case proved without a doubt that Secure Enclave does actually block entry into personal data.

Could it be hack? Yes...but that only happened after a $2 million dollar payout from FBI. And mind you, THAT particular hack would NOT work on an iPhone 5s (2013) and later iPhones.

And since then (San Bernardino case), Apple has strengthen Secure Enclave AND added a file system that has much stronger encryption. Security-wise, the new File system includes multikey encryption, making it tough for bad guys (or law enforcement and spies) to crack even if they have physical access to your drive.

You and other fans of Apple have an almost cult-like belief in Apple's inability to do wrong, that in and of itself is distressing since Apple capitalizes on that "religion" constantly to deflect anything that could tarnish their image. They're one of the few companies out there that basically has a religion as their marketing campaign.

I just wanted to clarify why FaceID sits uneasily with me as it opens the door for a lot of things, it's not the technology that bothers me just the implications that come with it.

When did i say that Apple has done no wrong in tax evasion, child labor, etc.???? You have fail to show me where i have said those things. Yet, you keep on repeating that stupid statement.

Again, you said that you will never buy Apple products because of their failings and lack of ethical standards...and i pointed out to you that Samsung and other Android do the same, yet you have no problem whatsoever with owning their products. That is hypocrisy. (Of course, later on, you said that you don't care about ethical standards.)

You keep on repeating that FaceID will be uploaded to the cloud and be mis-used by Apple etc.. And that is why i brought up San Bernardino case as an example that Apple does NOT have TouchID data...and FaceID works exactly the same in terms of where the data is stored, which is in Secure Enclave...and Apple does NOT have access to what is in Secure Enclave as Apple did not have access to it with San Bernardino case. Get it??!!

Yeah I don't what you're going on about, my S8 Active is smaller than an S8 or iPhone in a case. Otterboxes are tough no doubt, but huge and their "screens" get easily scuffed. Do you understand that the concept of a "Rugged" Smartphone is to maintain a roughly similar form factor to a consumer phone with the benefits of being far more durable? Because I feel like that's just going over your head, sure I could stick a laptop in a giant metal box and it'd protect it fine, but it'd be huge and cumbersome... hence why products like the Panasonic Toughbook and it's competitors exist.

My tune has not changed, Apple = Every other company out there. I have mentioned before in one or two other posts that I owned an Apple and I generally liked it at the time(though there were things I hated) and that after growing out of it and looking back I didn't like how Apple as a company moved forward and continues to move (as I've mentioned I preferred Apple when it was run by a competent leader). But yeah I probably will never own another Apple because of that (and that probably is pretty much 100%, again I do find the iPhoneX interesting, but not interesting enough to buy one). You can't speak for yourself, you tout your devotion to Apple at an almost religious zealot level when you're not actively avoiding any possibility of even acknowledging anything that goes against that, it's been pointed out to you many times over the years by not just me. Again, you spend so much effort to avoid, deflect, throw out straw-man arguments that it's laughable. You then try to defend yourself by saying "see I went through all this trouble NOT to say the thing I avoided saying I win!" as if it means something? Good for you I guess? It's not about you saying anything about Apple's mistakes/issues, it's about your gymnastics to avoid even acknowledging such things exist until someone corners you, you do the same thing to any idea that conflicts you.

Can you please stop editing your post with major changes?!

"The one real downside of the GS8 Active is its overall size. It's wider, taller, thicker and heavier than the standard version — and not subtly, but dramatically. It's over 10 grams heavier than the Galaxy Note 8, and its size kind of slots in between the Galaxy S8 and Galaxy S8+ — that's big, considering its screen size is the same as the GS8."

Oh no, i was right. I was using Otterbox as an example...there are plenty of tough cases for any phone that are smaller than Otterbox.

See you bring up all the bad things of Apple in past...when no one has even discussed it!! I did not bring it up. No one else. YOU brought it up and made a point about it. What does that have to do with anything??!! And you keep on saying that i am a "cultist" and defending Apple against their past "failings". SHOW ME WHERE I HAVE STATED SUCH?

You lie and lie some more. Stop that shit. You don't even follow your own arguments and then blame me for changing topics! LOL

 

[Thai]

Moving on...this is A11 on Antutu benchmark. This benchmark measures both CPU and GPU. Total is 226,000. Highest ever by phone or tablet, by wide margin.

 

[BlackWorksInc]

Again, i point to San Bernardino case. That "3rd party verification" you seek so much is the damn FBI! FBI verified that getting into an old iPhone 5c was nearly impossible. That case proved without a doubt that Apple canNOT break into an iPhone that has passcode. That case proved without a doubt that Apple does NOT have your important data. That case proved without a doubt that Secure Enclave does actually block entry into personal data.

Could it be hack? Yes...but that only happened after a $2 million dollar payout from FBI. And mind you, THAT particular hack would NOT work on an iPhone 5s (2013) and later iPhones.

And since then (San Bernardino case), Apple has strengthen Secure Enclave AND added a file system that has much stronger encryption. Security-wise, the new File system includes multikey encryption, making it tough for bad guys (or law enforcement and spies) to crack even if they have physical access to your drive.



When did i say that Apple has done no wrong in tax evasion, child labor, etc.???? You have fail to show me where i have said those things. Yet, you keep on repeating that stupid statement.

Again, you said that you will never buy Apple products because of their failings and lack of ethical standards...and i pointed out to you that Samsung and other Android do the same, yet you have no problem whatsoever with owning their products. That is hypocrisy. (Of course, later on, you said that you don't care about ethical standards.)

You keep on repeating that FaceID will be uploaded to the cloud and be mis-used by Apple etc.. And that is why i brought up San Bernardino case as an example that Apple does NOT have TouchID data...and FaceID works exactly the same in terms of where the data is stored, which is in Secure Enclave...and Apple does NOT have access to what is in Secure Enclave as Apple did not have access to it with San Bernardino case. Get it??!!



Can you please stop editing your post with major changes?!

"The one real downside of the GS8 Active is its overall size. It's wider, taller, thicker and heavier than the standard version — and not subtly, but dramatically. It's over 10 grams heavier than the Galaxy Note 8, and its size kind of slots in between the Galaxy S8 and Galaxy S8+ — that's big, considering its screen size is the same as the GS8."

Oh no, i was right. I was using Otterbox as an example...there are plenty of tough cases for any phone that are smaller than Otterbox.

See you bring up all the bad things of Apple in past...when no one has even discussed it!! I did not bring it up. No one else. YOU brought it up and made a point about it. What does that have to do with anything??!! And you keep on saying that i am a "cultist" and defending Apple against their past "failings". SHOW ME WHERE I HAVE STATED SUCH?

You lie and lie some more. Stop that shit. You don't even follow your own arguments and then blame me for changing topics! LOL

Did the FBI get warrants and check their servers and their data stores? Because aside from not being able to get into the device I do not recall them actually having access to Apple's data beyond the phone. So while difficult to get into Apple's claim of them not having the data was never actually verified one way or the other. The FBI were unable to access the phone (while a 3rd party could) and so they had to take Apple's word for it because they couldn't get access to Apple's data like they wanted to. That's it, it comes down to trusting the word of a company that's proven it has no issue bending things to get it's way. Apple's statement still goes unverified and untested. Do you just assume when a drug addict comes in with a scrape and says they need Oxy for the pain that it's 100% legit? Because you do the exact same with Apple.

Again, it's not about you saying anything; it's about the gymnastics you go through to avoid even acknowledging things. It's why we spend pages going back and forth and why you have to throw out more and more things and tangents to hide behind.

Yeah it's heavier as it's got a beefier battery and also built beefier. It's not that much bigger than an S8 if you've laid them on top of each other and not that much thicker. Compared to an S8 in an Otterbox that's twice as large as the Active. Not to mention depending on the case it doesn't always meet the proper protection, those "slimmer" cases don't typically hold up well. Are you incapable of understanding that they (Samsung, CAT, ect.) build a device that is slimmer than one in a case and sturdier? Because your tiny little brain can't seem to understand that.

I bring it up because you act like Apple can do no wrong and that they're holy compared to others. I do it because you're constant cult-like inability to accept anything other than Apple's holy nature is amusing to me. I also entertain your side-tangents and constant throw out to distract from that. You sir throw out random shit to pad your Apple Ego when no one is disputing the A11's ability, why? Because you probably get off on seeing those numbers at this point?

Thai you live in your own little world and because the world doesn't coddle to your needs doesn't mean their wrong. I'm sorry but I would imagine a you'd have learned that by now.

 

[Thai]

Did the FBI get warrants and check their servers and their data stores? Because aside from not being able to get into the device I do not recall them actually having access to Apple's data beyond the phone. So while difficult to get into Apple's claim of them not having the data was never actually verified one way or the other.

Again, it's not about you saying anything; it's about the gymnastics you go through to avoid even acknowledging things.

Yeah it's heavier as it's got a beefier battery and also built beefier. It's not that much bigger than an S8 if you've laid them on top of each other and not that much thicker. Compared to an S8 in an Otterbox that's twice as large as the Active. Not to mention depending on the case it doesn't always meet the proper protection, those "slimmer" cases don't typically hold up well. Are you incapable of understanding that they (Samsung, CAT, ect.) build a device that is slimmer than one in a case and sturdier? Because your tiny little brain can't seem to understand that.

I bring it up because you act like Apple can do no wrong and that they're holy compared to others. I do it because you're constant cult-like inability to accept anything other than Apple's holy nature is amusing to me. I also entertain your side-tangents and constant throw out to distract from that. You sir throw out random shit to pad your Apple Ego when no one is disputing the A11's ability, why? Because you probably get off on seeing those numbers at this point?

Thai you live in your own little world and because the world doesn't coddle to your needs doesn't mean their wrong. I'm sorry but I would imagine a you'd have learned that by now.

You sure above is your final edition...or are you going to edit more?!

Actually Apple confirm to FBI that they do NOT have data because the terrorist guy turned off iCloud backup and did not turn on iMessage to be stored in iCloud. Google it. Thus, all effort was focused on cracking the iPhone 5c encryption. You can read up on it dude.

FaceID security is no worst than TouchID in terms of where the info is stored. Stop making something out of nothing. And i would bet that FaceID Secure Enclave is much improved since 2012 design. And then you add in the new Apple File System.

Gymnastics? What? You're the one adding stupid shit to the conversation that has NO DAMN BEARING on topic at hand...and then when confronted, you get confused and accuse me of changing topics!! :redbrick:

Go on Amazon and search for a million protective cases. I prefer Seidio Surface personally and a Zagg screen protector. But that's me and my level of protection may not be for everyone.

My tiny brain has burned you numerous times before on several different topics, including this one...what does that tell about you? :thanks:

When did i say that Apple can do no wrong or that they are holier than others? SHOW ME.

I will admit that i defend Apple's current software AND hardware performance. Nothing more, nothing less. I have NEVER made claims about Apple's ethical standards or past issues. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT BRINGS IT UP EVERY DAMN TIME. YOU. Not me.

And yet, you keep on saying the same stupid shit over and over again...and when you get confused like an idiot, you blame me for it! :redbrick:

I am posting iPhone X info and A11 info...uhhhhh, because.......that is the topic of THIS thread. What were you expecting this thread to be about? Underwater basket weaving? Was the title of thread NOT clear for you?

WTF?!

Little world? Huh? WTF are you talking about NOW?

Please...if you have NOTHING to add to this conversation regarding TOPIC AT HAND, then (with all due respect) STFU. :thanks:

 

[BlackWorksInc]

You sure above is your final edition...or are you going to edit more?!

Actually Apple confirm to FBI that they do NOT have data because the terrorist guy turned off iCloud backup and did not turn on iMessage to be stored in iCloud. Google it. Thus, all effort was focused on cracking the iPhone 5c encryption. You can read up on it dude.

FaceID security is no worst than TouchID in terms of where the info is stored. Stop making something out of nothing. And i would bet that FaceID Secure Enclave is much improved since 2012 design. And then you add in the new Apple File System.

Gymnastics? What? You're the one adding stupid shit to the conversation that has NO DAMN BEARING on topic at hand...and then when confronted, you get confused and accuse me of changing topics!! :redbrick:

Go on Amazon and search for a million protective cases. I prefer Seidio Surface personally and a Zagg screen protector. But that's me and my level of protection may not be for everyone.

My tiny brain has burned you numerous times before on several different topics, including this one...what does that tell about you? :thanks:

When did i say that Apple can do no wrong or that they are holier than others? SHOW ME.

I will admit that i defend Apple's current software AND hardware performance. Nothing more, nothing less. I have NEVER made claims about Apple's ethical standards or past issues. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT BRINGS IT UP EVERY DAMN TIME. YOU. Not me.

And yet, you keep on saying the same stupid shit over and over again...and when you get confused like an idiot, you blame me for it! :redbrick:

I am posting iPhone X info and A11 info...uhhhhh, because.......that is the topic of THIS thread. What were you expecting this thread to be about? Underwater basket weaving? Was the title of thread NOT clear for you?

WTF?!

Little world? Huh? WTF are you talking about NOW?

Please...if you have NOTHING to add to this conversation regarding TOPIC AT HAND, then (with all due respect) STFU. :thanks:

You don't have to say it dude, your pompous attitude and your actions continue to show you're unwavering cult-like belief that Apple cannot do wrong. It's written in every post where you act as if you know everything there is to know.

I'll make it easy for you.

Admit you don't know for 100% that Apple is honest about their claims of security, data storage, and data use.

Admit that Apple is just like every other company out there, making a buck at the customer's expense and have no issue breaking the law and playing with human lives to do so.

 

[Thai]

One more thing...i make threads about topics that i like or interested in. In these threads, i post info that i may use later for reference.

I have done this many times in the past 15 years on this very forum. Besides creating this forum, those individual threads included threads for Toyota Prius, G-wagen, iPhone 5s, my Sienna, etc..

So, if you're NOT interested in the topics i post, then don't freaking post in it. Pretty damn easy. And if you enter and get burned, then don't freaking cry about it.

Thank you for your cooperation. Now, if you don't mind, then just move along. :cheers:

 

[Thai]

You don't have to say it dude, your pompous attitude and your actions continue to show you're unwavering cult-like belief that Apple cannot do wrong. It's written in every post where you act as if you know everything there is to know.

I'll make it easy for you.

Admit you don't know for 100% that Apple is honest about their claims of security, data storage, and data use.

Admit that Apple is just like every other company out there, making a buck at the customer's expense and have no issue breaking the law and playing with human lives to do so.

Done? Ok. Now, STFU. :cheers:

 

[BlackWorksInc]

Done? Ok. Now, STFU. :cheers:

No, you write it out because this is AGAIN your avoidance/deflection tactics. So you can say "no I never said that", like you always do.