I am going to Molle Toyota in KC to order wheels and tires on Friday. I also have to order new tire pressure sensors because they tend to break when removing them and placing them on a different rim. The dealer will not guarantee this transfer. I am hoping they will give me $1,000 minimum for the original rims, tires and monitors from my 14 Limited that is due to deliver on 12/20. The price for the trd 17 rims has been quoted at 320 each X 5. I will use your price of 1343 for 5 coopers. I will let you know where all this lands. Then when I install the sliders in Feb. I will post pics. The black rockers and sliders with trd wheels on Blizzard Pearl body may look pretty cool, I am hoping anyway. Thanks for your direction on these decisions!
AT Tires
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Ranger those MAXX's you installed are a very serious tire that blurs the line between AT and MT. AT 51 pounds, they're also rather heavy by comparison to other tires. Especially the OEM Bridgestones you took off that weigh only 40 pounds.
With that in mind I don't think you should second guess yourself on getting the stock size of 265/70/17, as opposed to going up to 285's. Sure it would have resulted in a .6 inch wider footprint and maybe looked cooler. However you would have decreased your gas mileage with the additional friction and unsprung weight. That's not even mentioning possibly rubbing issues.
I can see the desire to have 285's off road, but you've blunted much of any alleged "advantage" by going with such an effective and agressive tread design.
Good luck and give us a report down the line when those bad boys have been put to the test out in territory that that challenges them.
FrontRange4Runner
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I run 44psi per this chart The ride is harsher, but if you go much below 40 psi, mpg starts to plummet
G8RB8_12SR5
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I run mine at 36 PSI, solid mileage, good ground contact, and perfectly even wear to the point that even after 40k miles I still have 60% tread left on my OEM tires from the day I bought it.
I run mine @ 35psi, MPG slowly decreasing from 20 to 18/19;suspect decreasing mileage due to my bad driving habits of occasionally accelerating to 80+ mph (avg drive 70-75mph on freeway (90% of my driving);wearing evenly ( I follow an every 5000 miles rotation and balance schedule) after almost 33K miles; still have about 1/4" tread left.
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Intruder
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Keep in mind you're posting in the 5th gen section. Nobody here is running 265/65/16s (265/70/17 and 285/70/17 are two of the most common sizes for AT tires on a 5th gen) and their tire pressure is set for a heavier vehicle.
If you like the ride at 40 psi and the truck still handles well then go with it. Personally I'd never run a P-rated tire that high because the truck feels skittish going around corners on uneven pavement at higher speeds and I think you might get uneven wear in the middle of the tread. I run my 285/70/17 E load MTRs at 40 psi for comparison and I'm also carrying a significant amount of extra weight.
Ah, woops. My tapatalk doesn't distinguish between subs >_< :dammit:
veloindy
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Even though you're in the wrong forum. How do you like the Adventures, had'em in snow this winter? They look like a nice tire.
They're a good tire, nice big treads that clean themselves as you go. Sadly mine aren't winter rated but from driving through 14" of snow and ice to work this morning, you'd never know it. Quiet on the highway (no humming), just a little bouncy on rough roads (likely cuz I'm now running em at 38psi) but they handle well.
Edit: Words now that I'm awake and rested.
Whiplash Willy
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For anyone else reading this and getting skured.. Similar thing happened to me. I just went back to firestone multiple times until they got it right... Now that it's in their system, its right every time
Just sayin
So those with balancing issues, is the problem that they didn't balance them properly, or was it a tire defect?
1engineer
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I do mostly highway which is why I bought this tire. Read post #17 in this thread for more detail.
that_ranger
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I've, had my 4runner about three weeks now and have extensively researched new AT tires so I can get rid of the Dunlops that the 2014 came with. I've also read through a few other threads on this forum about tires.
And I've been driving on BFG AT KOs for twenty years, and the AT3 was something I was considering. Now, I was on the fence about the coopers until I saw 1enginners post and I think I'm finally ready to make the big commitment.
If anyone thinks I shouldn't, speak now or forever hold your peace.
And I've been driving on BFG AT KOs for twenty years, and the AT3 was something I was considering. Now, I was on the fence about the coopers until I saw 1enginners post and I think I'm finally ready to make the big commitment.
If anyone thinks I shouldn't, speak now or forever hold your peace.
1engineer
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After running these tires for over 70K now (two sets - two different 4Runners) I have two minor complaints: When you go off road and there are tiny fine gravels involved the sipes will hold them for awhile. They will clean out once you hit the hard road though. My second complaint is they are a very boring tire: There is absolutely no drama with these at all. They give you a good highway ride, not much noise, they corner as well as could be expected, they go just fine in the snow, they wear well, they give you good traction in the mud, they look good and they clear the mud from the tread blocks well.
Notice I did not say "exceptional" anywhere in the above sentence. I have had tires in the past that were "exceptional" in something but were "poor" at something else. These tires are a very good choice for all around use. Not great at any one thing but good at everything.
These tires would not be my first choice if I were doing what [MENTION=66300]Intruder[/MENTION] or what [MENTION=74569]SOcalTRAIL[/MENTION] does. There are better choices for extensive off road use. If I never took it off road the Michelins would be my first choice too because they are a great road tire. These are good tires for varied use, just boring lol.
gshadow325
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Don't forget a big thing, those bfg are 10 ply truck tires. Big difference in ride and comfort. Not that the 4runner is a soft and cushy ride. I find that many people forget that when they compare the bfg all terrain ta kos vs brand x tire
Chsbrgr
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Would you guys please stop with the real world experiences and facts? I'm a Michelin fan boy and always figured to buy the Michelin AT/2 when my OEM tires wear out. All this real world feedback touting the Cooper AT3 makes me have to bury my head even deeper in the sand. Actually, deep desert sand is my biggest deciding factor. Sure, most of my miles are highway, and snow and mud are not part off my decision. As great as these Coopers seem to be, my understanding is an aired down highway tire with less space between the lugs is the best performer in deep dry sand pointing more to the AT/2. In fact, the factory Bridgestones, with the TE off road options, have taken me in to and out of the deepest sand I need to go in. Including "Y" turns, "U" turns, parking.
It also doesn't help that the Coopers look more off road. That is, unless someone puts the white letters showing :hello:
Originally Posted by 1engineer:
I just put the white letters out to make all the haters cringe when they look at the pics
Not a hater, serious cringe factor.
Hard to turn my back on any Michelin.
It also doesn't help that the Coopers look more off road. That is, unless someone puts the white letters showing :hello:
Originally Posted by 1engineer:
I just put the white letters out to make all the haters cringe when they look at the pics
Not a hater, serious cringe factor.
Hard to turn my back on any Michelin.
Canazes9
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I keep seeing this w/ regards to highway tires being the best performers in deep sand and I've got to tell you - you've been misinformed.
Deep sand is the opposite of deep mud in terms of off-road traction:
Deep mud requires deep lugs in tires to successfully maintain traction. Airing down your tires in deep mud helps whether you have street tires or mud tires, but deep lugs are the primary requirement.
Deep sand requires you to air down to maintain traction. Deep lugs help, but deep lugs aren't the primary requirement - properly aired down tires are.
So where does this business (often seen) about deep lugs being no good in sand come from? I think it's primarily from people driving vehicles with aggressive lugs that don't realize airing down their tires in sand is the primary requirement. They drive out in deep sand w/ 45psi in their tires, they start to slip and dig and they respond like they would in the mud - they gas it and subsequently bury it to the axles!
I've driven a LOT of sand, pulled a lot of stuck 4wd's out of the sand. I'll take the deepest lugs I can get, aired down (typically about 16psi) and a gentle throttle over street tires any day. The deep lugs will most definitely pull you better through deep sand if they are aired down properly and you don't spin the tires excessively.
I would suggest anyone that believes differently conduct a few google searches on sand tires, tell me how many street tread patterns they see for drive wheels. Deep lugs are your friend in the sand - they just won't make up for failing to air down properly.
PS - I'm a Michelin fan boy myself, unfortunately they just aren't up to par in the off road arena.
David
Chsbrgr
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Canazes9, thanks for the thoughtful reply. I'm very familiar with paddle tires. I air down at least once a week to drive up dry, sandy, desert washes. In the winter I probably air down 4 times a week. You also being a Michelin man, and not recommending them says a lot.
I'll do more searching before it comes time to buy tires. On Tacoma World there is a guy, I think it's David K, that did a lot of sand testing, with tire opinions, and ATRAC explaining. I'll try and find the link.
