Authenticity of eBay timing belt kits

RumHam26

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I'm looking to buy an OEM timing belt kit from one of the sellers on eBay. It seems there are a few sellers with a decent amount of reviews that claim to use all OEM parts.

A guy recently told me to watch out for sellers that put cheap aftermarket parts in OEM boxes. So my question is - is there any way to confirm the authenticity of the parts in these timing belt kits. Are there any sellers you recommend?

Thanks!
 
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I bought one from AirCabinman on Ebay also last Summer on recommendations from this forum. Parts look legit. I have over 50K miles on the kit now, no issues.
 
Here it came in today.

Keep in mind Brando and Mitsubishi make belts for Toyota and Lexus.

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Ohhh and just to be clear in regards to the comment above mine, that Koyo and NSK bearings are identical widths to the MM. I checked them.


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Can you see any Toyota part numbers molded/cast into any of the parts?

I'm ready to buy a t-belt kit, and from the feedback here in our forum I was looking at the aircabinman kit. I was talking with my Toyota parts guy yesterday, even with the discount he gives me the parts from Toyota was over $700. When I told my guy about the ebay kit he told me to verify that every part has a Toyota P/N on it, otherwise they're just chinese knock offs.
 
Can you see any Toyota part numbers molded/cast into any of the parts?

I'm ready to buy a t-belt kit, and from the feedback here in our forum I was looking at the aircabinman kit. I was talking with my Toyota parts guy yesterday, even with the discount he gives me the parts from Toyota was over $700. When I told my guy about the ebay kit he told me to verify that every part has a Toyota P/N on it, otherwise they're just chinese knock offs.

Did you look at the pictures? Yes they are same as OEM. Toyota doesn’t manufacture the parts themselves, they use mitsuboshi for their timing belts and Bando for their drive belts and Aisin for their water pumps and koyo for their seals and pulleys.

I have a transfer case output shaft seal in the Toyota packaging FROM THE DEALER and it has KOYO embossed in it.
 
Let me correct above^
When toyota get their parts, they have specifications and the manufactures has to meet those specifications (part is labelled as TOYOTA or toyoda). The manufacturers can also make those and those are NOT 100% toyota standards (sold as Aisin/denso). AISIN and DENSO are owned by TOYOTA and many other manufacturers use AISIN and DENSO products in their cars (even BMW!).

Toyota OEM oil seals are made by NOK, you should see NOK embossed on to the lip or side oil seal. If I remember right, OEM drive belts are also Mitsuboshi.

Here is an example: I installed OEM toyota wheel bearing into a hilux axle and after the installation I could spin the dust shield smoothly. Another person installed a branded JAPANESE Wheel bearing (NSK, KOYO or NACHI: Not sure, but confirmed it was Japanese) on to his trucks axle. After his installation, the dust shield spun bit tightly.

I used Bando drive belts on my corolla and I have to adjust it after 300-400 miles, but recently used a mitsuboshi drive belt and even after 1100 mile road trip it didn't stretch a bit!
 
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Let me correct above^
When toyota get their parts, they have specifications and the manufactures has to meet those specifications (part is labelled as TOYOTA or toyoda). The manufacturers can also make those and those are NOT 100% toyota standards (sold as Aisin/denso). AISIN and DENSO are owned by TOYOTA and many other manufacturers use AISIN and DENSO products in their cars (even BMW!).

Toyota OEM oil seals are made by NOK, you should see NOK embossed on to the lip or side oil seal. If I remember right, OEM drive belts are also Mitsuboshi.

Here is an example: I installed OEM toyota wheel bearing into a hilux axle and after the installation I could spin the dust shield smoothly. Another person installed a branded JAPANESE Wheel bearing (NSK, KOYO or NACHI: Not sure, but confirmed it was Japanese) on to his trucks axle. After his installation, the dust shield spun bit tightly.

I used Bando drive belts on my corolla and I have to adjust it after 300-400 miles, but recently used a mitsuboshi drive belt and even after 1100 mile road trip it didn't stretch a bit!

I have an OEM seal in front of me it’s a koyo. Just an FYI. Not purchased from eBay, straight from toyota.

Also not trying to be rude, but if you have to adjust drive belts that often, you obviously have other issues or did nott use proper tension Initially.
 
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Did you look at the pictures? Yes they are same as OEM. Toyota doesn’t manufacture the parts themselves, they use mitsuboshi for their timing belts and Bando for their drive belts and Aisin for their water pumps and koyo for their seals and pulleys.

I have a transfer case output shaft seal in the Toyota packaging FROM THE DEALER and it has KOYO embossed in it.

So an OE seal doesn't have the Toyota p/n embossed on it? I have no idea, that's why I'm asking. From all of the feedback on the different t-belt kits to use, aircabinman definitely gets the best feedback. I'm just trying to be sure that they're legit parts ( either 100% OE or a darn good aftermarket version).

When the dealership is selling me parts at wholesale cost and that price is more than twice of what this ebay kit is, the skeptic in me has to wonder 'how' can the ebay seller can offer the same parts at a deep discount.
 
Just because it's the same OEM does not mean it was made to the exact specs as Toyota's parts.

And I'd bet (but not much), that there is very small differences between Toyota parts and Asin parts for the exact same parts that look identical on the naked eye.


Eddie
 
Just because it's the same OEM does not mean it was made to the exact specs as Toyota's parts.

And I'd bet (but not much), that there is very small differences between Toyota parts and Asin parts for the exact same parts that look identical on the naked eye.


Eddie

Let’s stick to what we actually know.

We could speculate all day long, but would love to see some actual evidence of this. It’s a little odd to think the same manufacturer creates 2 of the same seals to different standards in the manufacturing process.

Granted speculation probably has the poor guy who posted even more paranoid so he will spend 3 times the money lol.
 
Good point and I agree for the most part, but a couple things to think about for all that read this.

1) Why in the world would Toyota spend millions of dollars on R&D, etc. to allow an OEM to make the same part with the only different being a part # listed somewhere? Not exactly protecting their investment with that approach.

2) While the price difference annoys me (as well as the OP), I had little problem justifying the extra money for OE parts when I had the TB done on my LS 400. I recall it being about $400-$500 more, but was a fairly easy decision based on that extra money being amortized over 10 years and 100k miles.


Eddie

Let’s stick to what we actually know.

We could speculate all day long, but would love to see some actual evidence of this. It’s a little odd to think the same manufacturer creates 2 of the same seals to different standards in the manufacturing process.

Granted speculation probably has the poor guy who posted even more paranoid so he will spend 3 times the money lol.
 
Let’s stick to what we actually know.

We could speculate all day long, but would love to see some actual evidence of this. It’s a little odd to think the same manufacturer creates 2 of the same seals to different standards in the manufacturing process.

Ok, Manufacturing 101, no this isn't speculation, this is how things Actually work.

A part is designed, machines are setup to make the individual pieces of those parts, more to assemble into the "final". Despite the best efforts of all parties, raw materials have a slight variance, machines wear and start offering up parts that have slight variance in tolerances. Toyota (and other top tier buyers) will order exacting tolerances, the best that can be produced with the best of raw materials and all manufacturing tools in perfect/new condition. Parts are tested against those exacting standards, anything that doesn't meet them is discarded (though, it's more like 1 in 1,000 are tested, that range can vary depending on how much the buyer wants to spend).

It's worth understanding that Toyota may be buying 2nd tier bearing behind the military/aerospace industry... or 3rd tier. Just as Kia may be buying/installing that same bearing that Toyota passed on (with their 10 year/100k mile warranty). A lot of the additional cost comes from the additional testing done, some from being given priority to have first (or second, or third) pick. More for having to cover the different packaging/labeling costs and yet more to cover transportation and storage on Toyota's end.

The bottom line is that all of those manufactures have reject parts that are on the bleeding edge of being rejected and opt to recoup some cost by selling them rather than scrapping them. These same companies stand to lose their big contracts if their name is sullied in the selling off of extras (and there May be a clause in the contract that states the parts must meet XYZ standards). You really have no reason to fear buying fro the OEM manufacture, and the costs are lower simply because there are fewer costs associated. Sure, you're likely getting a part that's only 99% as good as a Toyota OEM, but when those same parts have an engineering margin of ~10% you're well within the realm of safety.

I've used various ebay timing belt sellers for years, running them to 90% of their rated life (so 90k miles on 100k mile recommended intervals ~ just my own personal margin of error).
 
I used an Aisin kit from Amazon on my T4R and was very happy with it. I have found that even OEM parts bought right from the dealer are not necessarily the same as what was installed on the assembly line, but they're as close as you can get. Mitsuboshi, Bando, NOK, Koyo and Aisin are definitely names you want to see on your components. That being said, I have installed hundreds, if not over a thousand timing belts over the last 30 years and have used Gates, Dayco, Continetal, Aisin, US Motor Works and a couple more I don't remember and with the exception of a few water pumps and several hydraulic tensioners (Dayco kit on Honda 3.5L V6) I've had very few problems, comebacks, or warranty work as a result of component failures.
 
Just because it's the same OEM does not mean it was made to the exact specs as Toyota's parts.

And I'd bet (but not much), that there is very small differences between Toyota parts and Asin parts for the exact same parts that look identical on the naked eye.


Eddie

Yup, and that's basically what I'm trying to verify. The eBay seller claims OEM parts, which to me would mean that they come through Toyota's distribution system. If the eBay seller is misleading folks with the 'OEM ' term and is selling good quality, but aftermarket parts, I'd just want to know exactly what I'd be getting. I know that the OE Vendors make very high quality aftermarket parts for our vehicles.

I'll apologize for veering this thread of track a bit, that wasn't my intention. I do thank NissianTechJake for posting pics of what he got in the kit, it's the 1st pics I recall anyone posting of the aircabinman kit.
 
Yup, and that's basically what I'm trying to verify. The eBay seller claims OEM parts, which to me would mean that they come through Toyota's distribution system. If the eBay seller is misleading folks with the 'OEM ' term and is selling good quality, but aftermarket parts, I'd just want to know exactly what I'd be getting. I know that the OE Vendors make very high quality aftermarket parts for our vehicles.

I'll apologize for veering this thread of track a bit, that wasn't my intention. I do thank NissianTechJake for posting pics of what he got in the kit, it's the 1st pics I recall anyone posting of the aircabinman kit.


My kit is one of 2 different ones aircabinman sells for the same engine with slightly different prices and parts. I think one has the Toyota drive belts which are supposedly more identifiable but I can’t verify that from experience. He also in his listing lists the exact brands of the parts he is sending in a list down in the description.
 

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