Auto or Manual Trans???

J's4runner

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Well, I've been looking for a few weeks now for a 90-95 4x4 stick 4runner. Not going to good. Why are 99.98% of them Automatic??? Is there a reason only Auto's are for sale? IS Stick or Auto better for offroading? If someone could shine some light on this that would be great. Thanks.
-Jason
 
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J's4runner said:
Is there a reason only Auto's are for sale?
-Jason



I would blame in on what people want, most 4Runners are built with an automatic, because that is what most people want. In 2001 they stopped making the stick shift altogther for the US.

I remember when the Hummer came out for the US armed forces in the late 70's. The government specified it must be automatic since most of the young people in the US do not know how to use a stick.

Having use a stick in all of my cars before the 4Runner, I would say it would be better to have a automatic in off roading situations. I would think it could be a great strain on the clucth when off roading.

But if you like the stick shift, I would hold out for a stick shift, one will come along sooner or later.
 
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In off-roading, auto vs. manual has been debated for ages!

Manual:
- You have to be really good at it to fully realize the potential. For example, driving in sand with a manual tranny (in low-range) is a pain in the butt! Most will stall their vehicle many times.
- However, you will be able to pick what gear you want.
- It is great at descending a steep hill. Most manual tranny have a stronger 1st gear than the automatic equivalent...therefore, manual tranny has a better crawl ratio (1st gear ratio x differential ratio x low-range ratio).
- For slow precision driving over severe terrain, manual tranny is best...ONLY if you are an experienced shifter.

Auto:
- Automatic tranny has torque converter. Because of the fluid state in the torque converter, it in itself is a torque multiplier. For example, an automatic tranny is BETTER than manual tranny in rock climbing because of this inherent torque multiplication (in addition to low-range).
- Auto tranny allows you to concentrate on other aspects of off-roading...like where to place your wheels or just looking at the great scenery. With a manual, you have to concentrate on your clutch and what gear you're in.
- Auto is bad when descending a steep hill. Because of the tendency of the auto to push you forward (that is, if you release the brake pedal, your auto-equipped car will roll forward), you can imagine that this is not desirable when going down a hill because this is when you want total control of your vehicle. With a manual, you can just crawl slowly down a hill without applying the brakes. With an auto, you most certainly have to "ride" the brakes on your way down.
- Auto also decides for you what gear you are in. With a manual, if you want to be in 2nd gear only, it's easy to do.

The current trend in off-roading nowadays is for AUTOMATIC tranny. Most (if not all) rockclimbers are now using automatic transmissions. The ONLY big problem with auto is when you descend a hill.

Hope this helps.
 
Well, i'm a very very good driver at Stick. My turbo Supra is stick, i learned to drive stick... i race sticks at the track, autocross etc.... Stick is my nature. One thing that really irritates me with the Auto's is the riding the brake issue...hate it. I think i'm gonna hold out for the stick. Not to mention the stick will go 300K with just fluid changes..and the Auto will blow up. (even with fluid changes on it). So stick it is. Now i just have ot actually be patient. I don't plan on rock climbing i just wanna trail ride and have fun.... no beating on it.
 
Yeah, if you're good with the manual, then definitely hold out for it.

P.S.: Toyota's auto tranny is extremely reliable...and durable.
 
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My Auto 1993 4Runner just hit 110,000 miles.
Any tips on what to service to prevent getting stranded somewhere on an offroad adventure ?:rolling:
 
For the automatic transmission, They are bullet proof! All you have to do is take care of it.

As for 110,000 Miles, It just broke in! My 90 4runner had over 1/4 million miles on it when i decided to swap my motor out.

So for 110,000 miles, give it a good tune up. Change all the fluids and replace the timing belt if needed. Try to use all Toyota fluids and parts if necessary.

Mike
 
J's4runner said:
I GOT MY 5spd!!!!!!!!! Search is over. 94 4x4 V6, 5spd. 114K.

If you don't mind me asking how much did you pay? I live in the Caribbean and just got mine for $4800US. Mine is a 95ish (not sure exactly) Hilux Surf (4Runner) V6 5 speed with about 100,000mi on it. I'm so HAPPY!! Just got it lastnight!!! Can't wait to hit the trails of St. Kitts!!!
 
im sorry but if it was your Nature you wouldnt call it stick, its called manual.
 
Lime02sport said:
im sorry but if it was your Nature you wouldnt call it stick, its called manual.

I do not think that it was necessary to clarify that point. Your post add absolutely no value to this thread.

Be nice.:)
 
If you put your automatic tranny through some abuse it's good to install a tranny cooler to further combat potential problems. I'm adding one pretty soon.
 

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