TexasFunRunner
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That's a start for the source of the info, however, how does that information about a hybrid infer the LC is coming back as a Jeep / Bronco competitor?
Best speculation of a 2023 6th generation I have seen
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balong48
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My wife and I took a stroll to the Toyota dealer on Monday and test drove a 2023 Highlander with the 4-cylinder Turbo and a 2021 Highlander with the V6 back to back. The average person won't know the difference. I didn't drive, she did, but from the passenger seat I'd say the 4 cylinder is a more than suitable replacement for the V6 in terms of power delivery. Sure it lost 30hp, but off the line felt quicker due to the increase in low end torque. Gotta say as much as I don't want the 4 cylinder in the 4Runner, it seems like it has the potential to be a suitable replacement.
jeffrosheen
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It doesn't. Just additional information that she brought back
Blackwatch
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There's a YouTuber/Toyota salesman in Nashville that posted a video last month and then deleted it a couple of days later. He said the LandCruiser is coming back to the US in late 2023 as a '24 model year. He said this was one of the reasons the 4Runner is now delayed until 2025.
If you look up the LC300 in some countries it's being sold with the 4.0 engine, a 7 inch display and cloth seats.
TexasFunRunner
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Since we are all grasping at straws with speculation, lets tie things together. I just noticed in balong48's post about the FJ Cruiser production dates, 1/23/2006 thru 4/29/2023 (see Attachment 400842 above). So after a long run they are finally ending FJ Cruiser production. Now remember, the FJ Cruiser is derived from the 4th gen 4Runner platform.
IF, and a big IF, Toyota brings the Land Cruiser (LC) back to the US, which, if they did, it now makes sense that they ended US availability of the LC in 2021. However, it may only be the LC nameplate they resurrect in the US, so follow along on a possible plan.
You take the new 6th Gen 4Runner design, throw in a touch of J70 and Prado, and you "Derive" a "New" US (& world?) model Land Cruiser J400 from it, which is more of a follow-on to the FJ Cruiser for the US market (and possibly world markets?).
This new LC J400 gets produced at the Hamura, Japan plant with its freed up production capacity (from the canceled FJ Cruiser production).
So I give you, the MY24 Land Cruiser J400, with a removable top, designed to be cost competitive with the Jeep and Bronco.
(Note to David at Automotive Press: If you use my scoop in your next video, it would be nice for you to at least credit me, instead of always saying "I'm hearing this and that".)
(Note to Toyota: I live 30 minutes from your Plano Headquarters, I would be glad to come over for a preview.)
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TexasFunRunner
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From the $30's to the $50's, just like the Jeep's and Bronco's, that is how they would be competitive.
They did the same thing in 2007 when they introduced the FJ Cruiser.
Compare 2007 Jeep Wrangler vs 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser
Here's how the 2007 Jeep Wrangler and the 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser measure up.
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jeffrosheen
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I think we are on to something here.....
I will keep feeding my gf copious amounts of tequila and red wine to get her to spill any of the beans she may have or will get
If I were Toyota I would have a Sequoia, a 4R, and a LC (vs. a Jeep and a Bronco)
I will keep feeding my gf copious amounts of tequila and red wine to get her to spill any of the beans she may have or will get
If I were Toyota I would have a Sequoia, a 4R, and a LC (vs. a Jeep and a Bronco)
TexasFunRunner
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Hi Carmaker1, we sure would appreciate it if you could join us with your insight to the potential of the introduction of a low cost model LC to compete with the Jeep and Bronco, my aptly named LC J400, as I detailed in my post above.
gomiami
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The Land Cruiser is a sequoia-sized + vehicle. Are we suggesting they will shrink it to Bronco/Jeep dimensions? It can't be a direct competitor to the Jeep/Bronco if it is Expedition/Wagoneer sized.
(yes, I understand there are many vehicles that Toyota uses the LC name on. I'm referring to the LC always sold here in the US.)
(yes, I understand there are many vehicles that Toyota uses the LC name on. I'm referring to the LC always sold here in the US.)
TexasFunRunner
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Bingo, you make it a FJ70 / FJ Cruiser / Prado / Jeep Wrangler / Bronco sized vehicle, Toyota has the full range of products to pull it off.
With the FJ Cruiser sales dwindling in 2014, instead of reintroducing the FJ Cruiser name you introduce a legendary LC based name, J400 is the next logical numerical progression of the historical LC model numbers. (J90 is already used for the Prado)
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Land Cruiser is more of a 4runner+ sized vehicle.
Expedition wheelbase: 122"
Wagoneer wheelbase: 123"
Sequoia wheelbase: 122"
Land Cruiser wheelbase: 112"
4Runner wheelbase: 110"
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Carmaker1 predicted a new Toyota Land Cruiser would be arriving to the states for MY2024. This sort of matches what you are predicting.
In addition, we know the international Prado is going to be totally redesigned soon. And as we also know, the GX is based on the Prado and thus is also getting a redesign.
According to Carmaker1 the GX is supposed to become more rugged so that it can compete better against the Defender and G-class.
My speculation is the rumored MY2024 Land Cruiser coming to the US is just a Toyota-branded GX or USDM Prado. It will be a less luxurious version of the upcoming GX, however, it will still keep the more powerful powertrain and greater off-road improvements. Perhaps the V35 engine, triple lockers, etc.
This makes sense as the 4Runner can continue to be sold in its class. Then the new Land Cruiser can compete against the more capable Bronco and Wrangler.
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TexasFunRunner
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Thank you for Carmaker1's quote, I vaguely remembered hearing about a lower cost LC and you just found Carmaker1's post from over a year ago with the info.
Now for the bad news for us 4Runner / Wrangler / Bronco buyers, clearly if the new MY24 GX 550 is aimed at the G550 and Defender 110 market then it is not aimed at the Wrangler or Bronco market. It is typical for the 4Runner / Wrangler / Bronco buyers to cross shop these three models, but the average buyer does not cross shop the G550 or Defender 110.
Okay, let's carry on with the 6th gen 4Runner speculation.
No problem.
The GX550 would be aiming at the G550 and Defender market. The speculative Land Cruiser would be a Bronco and Wrangler competitor.
This is good and bad news. The good news, Toyota understands the discontinuation of the US market FJ left a hole in their lineup that could compete against the Bronco/Wrangler. The bad news, this decreases the chance that the 6th gen 4Runner will get a detuned V35 and it will most likely continue to feature only a rear-locker and rely on ATRAC.
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TexasFunRunner
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That is great clarification, thank you, so perhaps the lineup looks like this:
Lexus GX550: G550 and Defender competitor
Toyota Land Cruiser J400: fixed/removable(?) top Wrangler and Bronco competitor.
Toyota 6th gen 4Runner: fixed top Wrangler and Bronco competitor.
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That's how it is in the JL Wrangler too. The 2.0 turbos are quicker than the V6s, but both are pretty interchangeable. There is a reason everyone is going that way.
Blackwatch
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I would sell a kidney if we could have a troop carrier with a pop up camper top.
A Toyota branded GX550 would fit oddly next to the 4Runner if the new LC is priced to compete with the Jeep and Bronco.
Are you guys saying the Toyota branded GX550 would sell cheaper than the 6th gen 4R?
A Toyota branded GX550 would fit oddly next to the 4Runner if the new LC is priced to compete with the Jeep and Bronco.
Are you guys saying the Toyota branded GX550 would sell cheaper than the 6th gen 4R?
TheSpinDoctor
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The most simple solution would be for Toyota to merge the 6th gen 4Runner and LC Prado (J180?) into one vehicle as they share the same purpose, functionality, and market base:
- One vehicle, with different names according to market, available in both 3-door and 5-door variants
- In North America, the 5-door variant would retain the name 4Runner while the 3-door version would become the LC Prado
- Outside of North America, both 3-door and 5-door variants would be known as the LC Prado
This would allow Toyota to:
- streamline design, platform, and components of the 4Runner and 5-door LC Prado
- preserve the upmarket appeal of the Lexus GX
- reintroduce a 3-door or short wheelbase version for off-roading in North America, competing with the short wheelbase Wranglers and Broncos
- bank on the 4Runner name recognition in North America, and on the Landcruiser Prado name recognition/heritage elsewhere for the 5-door variant
- bank on the Landcruiser Prado name recognition/heritage worldwide for the 3-door variant
Of course, this being the most simple and efficient solution pretty much guarantees that Toyota will do something else.
- One vehicle, with different names according to market, available in both 3-door and 5-door variants
- In North America, the 5-door variant would retain the name 4Runner while the 3-door version would become the LC Prado
- Outside of North America, both 3-door and 5-door variants would be known as the LC Prado
This would allow Toyota to:
- streamline design, platform, and components of the 4Runner and 5-door LC Prado
- preserve the upmarket appeal of the Lexus GX
- reintroduce a 3-door or short wheelbase version for off-roading in North America, competing with the short wheelbase Wranglers and Broncos
- bank on the 4Runner name recognition in North America, and on the Landcruiser Prado name recognition/heritage elsewhere for the 5-door variant
- bank on the Landcruiser Prado name recognition/heritage worldwide for the 3-door variant
Of course, this being the most simple and efficient solution pretty much guarantees that Toyota will do something else.
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TexasFunRunner
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I would guess it will be priced in line with the Wrangler and Bronco which means some models will be priced to overlap some of the 4R models.
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