BFG A/T KO Vs. General Grabber AT2

benk777

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So I've narrowed it down to these two tires, both in 265/70 17. It seems that the Generals can be had for $200 less than the BFGs. That being said, which would you get and why? Both have the mountain snowflake rating, but I have read that there are major differences in the sidewall construction. Would either tire be better/worse for towing purposes?

Thanks,

Ben
 
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Pro and COn:

Grabbers:

Pro: Cheap

Con: General Tires have a pretty mediocre reputation. Just go to Tirerack and read 'em and weep. Will this be an improvement? Who knows. Will you want to be the guinea pig for General? General can't even brag about any "flagship" products that has proven itself as a top quality item. They are known for cheap aftermarket factory replacements. Maybe I'm wrong and maybe they got it together.

I'd take my chances with a new product from Michelin becuase they have a good rep for good prodcuts. Not so with General.

BFG:

Pro: Known and proven product of 30 years. Choice of more off roaders than any other brand. 5 ply tread, three ply sidewall. High quality construction and reliable performance. Performance characteristics both good and not so good are well known.

They are like my Browning High Power and Colt 1911-A1...there are prettier guns and fancier guns out there. But when the spaghetti hits the fan, there is a lot of comfort grabbibng onto what has worked and will work when it needs to.

Con: Pricey.
 
I got my Nittos for $200 less than the BFGs and they are much better for a daily driver and handle off road quite well.
TGs also have good turn in bite on slick surfaces and resist hydroplaning a fair amount better than the KOs.
From the look of the tread pattern of the Grabbers they don't have very good water evacuation channels so I'd expect their wet weather manners to be the same as the BFGs.
 
You get what you paid for. :)

As ollie mentioned, BFG AT KO is tough as nails and proven. Although i don't have BFG AT KO anymore (thus, no loyalty to it for any reason), i have used them for years...never had an issue with them in any weather conditions (except snow)...and we get tons of rain here in TX.

benk777 said:
I am looking for a tire to give me more off road freedom, and piece of mind. I recently purchased a 3 acre lot that I'd like to be able to explore freely with the 4R. We have also been frequenting a property up on Washington Island, which takes a bit of off roading just to get to.

Benk777, you stated that you want a reliable tough tire...well, BFG AT KO definitely fit that bill with it's 3-ply sidewall. And it is probably the best off-road all-terrain tire. It does well on-road...maybe not the best (as RonM mentioned), but a million owner (exaggeration) can't be wrong, right?!:D The only other AT tire for YOUR needs that i would consider is Goodyear Wrangler SilentArmor, but i would still get BFG AT KO due to what YOU have written.

P.S: No all-terrain tire is good in mud. So, keep that in mind.
 
benk777 said:
What are your opinions of this survey from tirerack on all on/off-road all terrain tires in 265 70 17s?

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surve...dth=265/&ratio=70&diameter=17&tireSearch=true

It's FOS. Basically, IMHO, the survey is based on people who want to justify their purchase. Therefore, any new tire that makes it to market will be ranked #1. And old tires get thrown in the trash. The survey is just not reliable. For example, based on the survey & amazing reviews, i bought Goodyear Comfortred for my Corolla. IMHO, the Goodyears failed to live up to expectations. I now have Michelin X-radial (ranked #2 on Consumer Reports test) and it has lived up to the high rank on CR test.
 
I read them with some caveats in mind:

1. I did not see much change at all when I clicked 265/70/17, 265/75/16, 235/70/16. So I don't think there is much change just by size.

However, remember that size can infer the type of vehicle and year of vehicle and various capabilities of the vehicle. 265/70/17 is the normal size for current model Expiditions/Tahoes, CHevy, Ford and Dodge pick ups. Those normaly have 4x4 and normally be used for work and off road. Size like 235/70/16 went on base model CHvy S-10, base model Rangers, small pick ups and small SUV like the Blazer--not the sort of vehicle owners will take to the bakc wood or hunting or in bad weather. SO owner use will affect whether the tire is exposed to rough usage. Sizes like 265/75/16 is a 1990s size and back then they had ABS, but normally not traction control VSC, uphill/downhill control, etc. Just that difference can make a tire appear to be better or worse but it really is the car's mechanical and computer technology and not just the tires.

18-20 inch tires will no be normaly used in 1980-1990s vehicles. They are current models--with all tjhe bells and whistles to enhance traction. And more likely to be found on Infinity F35/45, Lexus, Land Crusiers or Range Rovers...hardly the type that gets dirty. Again ,affecting how owners perceive tire performance.

2. There is probably as many different types of snow as Eskimop words for it. Slush, hard pack, Sierra cement, deep dry fluff, heavy wet chunks. Melted nad rechilled stuff. So when a tire is rated for snow use..we really don't know what type and how it is used.

3. There are just as many types of mud. Water and dirt, water and gravel, dirt is nto the same as clay, and clay may be just wert enough to be like playdoh, or Lousisiana gumbo, or Georgia brown cement--slick, greasy, and hardens to concrete. So we don't know what surveys means when someone complains abotu mud performance.

4. Most importanly, how the owner drives the vehicle. that is the biggest most unpredicatable unknown. A good careful experinced 4 wheeler can make a two wheeler do better than a newbie on a 4x4. AWD may operate better than part time in certain conditions. A lead foot may not do as well as a seasoned driver.

Again, that affect the perception of how a tire performs.

5. The honeymoon. A new tire will work better than one with 50k miles on it. A new tire like the Pirelli ATR will almost alwyas be rated within 25k miles, while an established brand will have many milions of miles of experience behind it and drivesr commenting on it after running it down to the treads.

6. We see more dry traftion stories now since it's spring, summer. We have fewer winter stories to evaluate. IN deep winter, we'll see more of that and less of warm weatehr performance.

So...........with so many variables one could and would expect that anecdotal evidence, not even empirical evidence as there is no controlled conditions, would "wash" and some level of consistentcy will emerge.

I would look at flaming stories with a critical eye, exceptioons are to be expected, but at the over generall PATTERN. Some pattres nwill coelace and start sharpening their foucs on good and not so good points.
 
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