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Many run Sway-A-Way Coilovers (SAW's), which are made by Camburg. Also, many (including myself) run Camburg UCA's.

As for King, they are definitely on a different level from Camburg. Josh (HB 4x4) is running King's all the way around. I run Fox Extended Travel Coilovers, which is similar to King. You see King and Fox (and Camburg to a lesser extent) on all the race trucks.
 
I know that Camburg gets there UCA's from total chaos and just repaints them. possibly other parts as well.
 
Hey guys what is the real advantage offroading with going with a setup like these guys vs. getting say an OME lift? I just wanna know performance wise. Is it mainly for higher speed running, like baja? Or is it I've got a bigger d**k than you kind of thing, having these guys suspension?

I know they have adjustable coil-overs and usually reservoirs. Plus I understand about the UCA's.
 
For offroading I personally don't think there is an advantage. Although at higher speed like desert runs or baja you are going to have a more comfortable ride plus they would take the constant bumps an abuse better. Just depends what your primary focus is.
 
I know that Camburg gets there UCA's from total chaos and just repaints them. possibly other parts as well.

This is incorrect. Camburg's arms are cheaper because they do more work in house. Until recently, the two arms weren't even made with the same material so they obviously could not be the same arm. Camburg used DOM tubing for 10+ years, but due to demand they switched over to 4130 chromoly tubing. Their zerks, bushings, and uni-balls are also different between the two.

Hey guys what is the real advantage offroading with going with a setup like these guys vs. getting say an OME lift? I just wanna know performance wise. Is it mainly for higher speed running, like baja? Or is it I've got a bigger d**k than you kind of thing, having these guys suspension?

I know they have adjustable coil-overs and usually reservoirs. Plus I understand about the UCA's.

The brand of suspension you choose does not affect the need for UCA's. Once you go over 3" of lift, UCA's are mandatory if you want to get your alignment back within specs. The UCA's come into play with the suspension when you look at extended length coilovers, as it will allow your suspension to utilize more of it's travel range. UCA's also take the place of wheel spacers when going to a larger tire (285/70/17 or bigger) as the stock arms will not clear the tires.

The benefits of suspension such as King, Fox, Icon, etc over a brand such as OME is very basic, and could have been attained by a simple search. Coilovers allow the adjustment of ride height. This becomes especially important when you start adding weight. If you have the medium rated OME and add weight, it will sag and become less controlled. If you start out with the heavy coils, you will have an extremely harsh ride until all of the weight is added (winch, bumper, dual battery, etc). With coilovers, all that is needed is a simple adjustment to accommodate the additional weight. If you do not plan on adding any aftermarket parts, then get OME and forget it. However, with this logic, I would just get spacers.

King, Fox, Icon, etc all allow valving adjustments. You can get them valved for your specific needs, which allows for better suspension cycling and handling. You do not need to be a hardcore off-roader to want a better handling vehicle. The difference between my King's and the SAW's I previously had was massive; the difference compared to OME would be even larger. My truck is my daily driver, so on-road characteristics were very important to me as well.

Lastly, most coilovers excluding Toytec can be rebuilt. When your suspension starts fading, rather than buying an entire new setup you can just get them rebuilt and they are like new. Users with OME will have to make a full suspension purchase again.


For offroading I personally don't think there is an advantage. Although at higher speed like desert runs or baja you are going to have a more comfortable ride plus they would take the constant bumps an abuse better. Just depends what your primary focus is.

Are you referring coilovers, UCA's, remote reservoirs, or all of them? :wtf:
 
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Josh definitely hit all the key points about the advantages of coilovers over OME or similar. Adjustability, ability to revalve/rebuild, better ride, typically better control of your vehicles weight, more travel etc...

Also, with remote reservoirs you have more fluid capacity, and more surface area, which means better cooling. The shocks are less prone to fading during extended high speed runs.

Some coilovers do require new UCA's due to the fact that they are larger. I know with my Fox if you run factory UCA's it will hit the coilover under droop and limit your travel and could damage the coilover/UCA. Also with my coilovers even at their lowest height setting I am at the point where it would be difficult to get the truck back into factory alignment settings w/o UCA's.
 
Hb 4x4 I was talking about ome and coilovers. I went ahead with coilovers from toytech since they are about 200.00 give or take more than the ome. Plus if you ever add a front bumper or winch you can always adjust the coilovers. Only thing i can advise you MikesToy is to go for a coilover setup you wont be dissapointed, now as far as which one that is entirely up to you good luck with your search.
 
Does anyone know if Camburgs are better (handling, speed, & off-roading together) than the Toytecs? Sorry i couldn't find thru the internet the differences between both.
 
Does anyone know if Camburgs are better (handling, speed, & off-roading together) than the Toytecs? Sorry i couldn't find thru the internet the differences between both.

For coilovers? I would stay away from Camburg as they are just SAW's with a different logo put on them.

I would go with Toytec over SAW, but would prefer Icon Fox or King over Toytec.
 
For coilovers? I would stay away from Camburg as they are just SAW's with a different logo put on them.

I would go with Toytec over SAW, but would prefer Icon Fox or King over Toytec.

Thanks! I saw pix of Camburg & Kings on an Off-Road mag and was just curious if they were any better than the Toytecs. So now i can scratch off Camburgs outta my list.
 
Thanks! I saw pix of Camburg & Kings on an Off-Road mag and was just curious if they were any better than the Toytecs. So now i can scratch off Camburgs outta my list.

I would research them because Toytec has their own issues. For one they are not rebuildable so similarly to OME, when they wear out you will have to replace them. They are basically just bilstein shocks in a CO setup. Also, the adjustment ring is on the bottom, rather than the top such as the other companies so adjusting them will be more difficult.
 
For coilovers? I would stay away from Camburg as they are just SAW's with a different logo put on them.

I would go with Toytec over SAW, but would prefer Icon Fox or King over Toytec.

I'm a little baffled by this response. SAW has been on par with Fox and King for a pretty long time in the desert scene, when comparing similar shocks. You cant compare a Toytec coilover to a Camburg/SAW, it's not even close, the SAW is better in every way.

What was wrong with your SAWs?
 
I'm a little baffled by this response. SAW has been on par with Fox and King for a pretty long time in the desert scene, when comparing similar shocks. You cant compare a Toytec coilover to a Camburg/SAW, it's not even close, the SAW is better in every way.

What was wrong with your SAWs?

Saw's ride poorly, both on road and off, unless you do nothing but bomb whoops all day. Even then, they fade and you need remote resi's. There's a reason why none of the major race companies use them on their trucks. Not even Camburg, who SAW makes parts for, uses them. They run Fox and King. Also, don't bother contacting them for customer support. They don't care about your problems, and if you do still send them your parts, you wont get them back for weeks.

I did not say Toytec are better than SAW, since SAW's are rebuildable. However, Toytecs ride better on the street and on pretty much anything except fast desert running. My above post states the flaws of Toytec.
 
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Saw's ride poorly, both on road and off, unless you do nothing but bomb whoops all day. Even then, they fade and you need remote resi's. There's a reason why none of the major race companies use them on their trucks. Not even Camburg, who SAW makes parts for, uses them. They run Fox and King.

Also, don't bother contacting them for customer support. They don't care about your problems, and if you do still send them your parts, you wont get them back for weeks.

I did not say Toytec are better than SAW, since SAW's are rebuildable. However, Toytecs ride better on the street and on pretty much anything except fast desert running.

Sounds like they got lazy with the 4th Gen SAWs and didn't tune it right, as that should be the only reason for a bad ride short of fade. Don't like the ride? Get them tuned, which is why I'd still recommend a King/SAW/Fox/Radflo over anything else if able to come up with the scratch. If you don't need reservoirs, then it's basically a color preference.
 
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Sounds like they got lazy with the 4th Gen SAWs and didn't tune it right, as that should be the only reason for a bad ride short of fade. Don't like the ride? Get them tuned, which is why I'd still recommend a King/SAW/Fox/Radflo over anything else if able to come up with the scratch. If you don't need reservoirs, then it's basically a color preference.

I would still put SAW last on that list. Go with Icon, or the Radflo setup on Toyota120 that is custom built for our trucks. If you have the cash, then Fox or King.

I had my SAW springs changed, valving adjusted, even screwed with the Nitrogen psi as a last ditch effort. Finally swapped them for King's and the difference was amazing.
 

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